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NitroHonda said:
Her niece wasn't Deaf! It's her niece's Deaf friend! Singular... unless she'd like to change that to plural. It's not like she hasn't done it before.
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No, my niece isn't deaf. But, my niece would befriend any child regardless of any difference. We raised this child to respect everyone. I wish I could say the same for some I've encountered here.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
No, my niece isn't deaf. But, my niece would befriend any child regardless of any difference. We raised this child to respect everyone. I wish I could say the same for some I've encountered here.
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I'm not going to bite on this one. I'm just going to let it waddle off onto obscurity. I do wish your niece (who you are now apparently raising) the best wishes into her journey. Yours too.

FYI, those are sincere words. No sarcasm in them.... okay a HINT of sarcasm with the parenthesis.

:lol:

It's all good though.
 
NitroHonda said:
I'm not going to bite on this one. I'm just going to let it waddle off onto obscurity. I do wish your niece (who you are now apparently raising) the best wishes into her journey. Yours too.

FYI, those are sincere words. No sarcasm in them.... okay a HINT of sarcasm with the parenthesis.

:lol:

It's all good though.
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When I wrote "we", I meant her parents and extended family collectively. :)
 
NitroHonda said:
Nobody's arguing with you. You waltzed in here belittling others. It is your attitude and approach (which by the way is very common hence why Deaf folks get frustrated) that limits us... because your exposure is limited to your five year old niece's friend's experience. You've got the right idea but there are some things that you lack (or refuse) the ability to understand. You also spread a lot of misguided information while defending your assertion...



In which you followed up with...



Did your experience with the education of the Deaf all of a sudden grow from a child into children between posts? Lol.

How about your low-wage and SSI jab for example? MOST DEAF CHILDREN ARE MAINSTREAMED. BY FAR BY FAR BY FAR. How is this a factor in education at Deaf schools? Just reeks of another person not understanding the where exactly the barrier line and the education lines collide and ultimately cross paths with Deaf people.

Fact: You have made up stuff to overstate a point. Your credibility is nil. Zil. Zip. Zilch. A big fat zero.

I still welcome you into our world. I just think you have some personal enlightening to do on the problems that the Deaf communities encounter on a daily basis before you go giving condescending advice.

:wave:
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Don't assume what you don't know about me. My experiences with the Deaf go way beyond one child. I've actually seen what some of you are saying happens in the mainstream. I also never denied it doesn't happen. It does, but again, I have also said that I don't support the mainstream for all. Never have I said that. The only thing I will say and that is a well known fact, I'm hearing, so of course, I don't have the same first hand knowledge as all of you.

I find it odd that when I used to base my opinions off of experiences I saw happen 30 yrs ago, that was all well and good with you all and I was even considered "honorary deaf". But, since I take a more broader opinion and DARE say that mainstreaming is probably a practical option for some children, all hell breaks loose, and the attitude is I don't have a clue. Again, people start spewing hatred because they are bitter. I really wish some of you would take the chip off your shoulder, because, the hearing isn't your enemy. I, for one, can get alone with anyone if mutual respect is given. But, you know what? I REFUSE to give respect to people who are hell bent on being biased. I tried.

I'm done.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I'm done.
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Promise? :cool2:

I'm not deaf either, just HOH, and I was born full hearing. That is why I don't pretend to be an expert here. People that come here for advice aren't necessarily looking for my OPINION; they are looking for first-hand experience. How can I fake it? That is why I don't.

However, there is a part of me that wants to defend the deaf when they are attacked by hearing people that think their OPINION is somehow equal to a deaf person's lifelong experience living with deafness. That is when I step up and speak.
 
saywhatkid said:
Promise? :cool2:

I'm not deaf either, just HOH, and I was born full hearing. That is why I don't pretend to be an expert here. People that come here for advice aren't necessarily looking for my OPINION; they are looking for first-hand experience. How can I fake it? That is why I don't.

However, there is a part of me that wants to defend the deaf when they are attacked by hearing people that think their OPINION is somehow equal to a deaf person's lifelong experience living with deafness. That is when I step up and speak.
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:hug:
 
TXgolfer said:
True, but I was referring to this particular case in which the child appears to be a good fit. And there are some areas where a kid who falls behind in a good mainstream school may still learn more than a child in a deaf school. Granted there are good deaf schools as well.
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What about social and emotional growth? How would a child feel if they know they are behind their peers in a mainstreamed setting? That cant be a good feeling for a child to have.

Many jobs out there are looking for confident people who can work with others (being a team player).

If a child falls behind while being mainstreamed, the child will know it and will lose his/her confidence and withdraw from others. Then, the child will struggle to keep up with his/her hearing peers in social settings which would definitely make things worse. The child would have to work harder as an adult to gain the skills to be able to work with others in the working field. Deaf schools or a strong deaf program in public schools teach deaf children how to be strong leaders, self-advocate, and by being around others like them, the deaf child is less likely to withdraw from people.

I would consider these issues before saying something like that. Besides many deaf schools are adopting the Common Core State Curriculm which is being adopted by many states nationwide. It is very rigorous and prepares the children to become more skilled for future jobs.
 
saywhatkid said:
Promise? :cool2:

I'm not deaf either, just HOH, and I was born full hearing. That is why I don't pretend to be an expert here. People that come here for advice aren't necessarily looking for my OPINION; they are looking for first-hand experience. How can I fake it? That is why I don't.

However, there is a part of me that wants to defend the deaf when they are attacked by hearing people that think their OPINION is somehow equal to a deaf person's lifelong experience living with deafness. That is when I step up and speak.
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Thank you.
 
saywhatkid ! you put exactly what I was pondering, into text on the page there. I've been going through reading these, and thinking about things - and not coming in because I didn't think it was my place and I was considering all I'd read here. I feel and am same as you, from my perspective.

I was a shy and socially awkward kid who didn't understand a lot of things other kids did. I missed a lot of understanding things and a lot of times didn't have the words to express something, only knew I was somehow "not fitting". I felt so alone when all the other kids understood something and I didn't. I could and did do well in most <not all> classes in terms of grades but there was always a part of me that felt to be in a strange land. So I have some experience to know how that feels.
I also know about desire for the language and culture of one's peers, and how relieving it is to simply be who you are and have things be "understood".

Confidence and peer connections facilitate and bolster learning. Test scores alone don't tell the whole story.
 
Not knowing where in Florida the OP is, I can't really say much about her area. Seems good that she is close enough to FSDB. Now, personally, I have never been there and even with the rating that it shows, I would still have loved to have had the chance to go there for myself. I will not cry over spilled milk. I am acquainted with a few people who have been to that school, both young enough to still be in school and old enough to have already had their own families. Of the people I know, only 1 has said that it was the worst school they have ever been to. All the others were quite happy. The high school student is no longer there as the school dropped a program that was really wanted. Of those that are adults, there is an attorney, a few school teachers, and a few who work for Florida Association of the Deaf. Here in my area, they have closed down all the "special" schools for the special needs children. That is how they were termed. These kids were either mainstreamed or the parent had them sent to FSDB. There are about 5-8 instructors certified to teach ASL for the whole county. These instructors are overwhelmed by the sheer number of Deaf/hoh students needing assistance. There are also not enough interpreters for all these students and still have enough for the college students and adults that need the interpreters. Something is missing and needs to be fixed.

Just my 2 cents here. Probably not much to some people here.
 
KristinaB said:
Not knowing where in Florida the OP is, I can't really say much about her area. Seems good that she is close enough to FSDB. Now, personally, I have never been there and even with the rating that it shows, I would still have loved to have had the chance to go there for myself. I will not cry over spilled milk. I am acquainted with a few people who have been to that school, both young enough to still be in school and old enough to have already had their own families. Of the people I know, only 1 has said that it was the worst school they have ever been to. All the others were quite happy. The high school student is no longer there as the school dropped a program that was really wanted. Of those that are adults, there is an attorney, a few school teachers, and a few who work for Florida Association of the Deaf. Here in my area, they have closed down all the "special" schools for the special needs children. That is how they were termed. These kids were either mainstreamed or the parent had them sent to FSDB. There are about 5-8 instructors certified to teach ASL for the whole county. These instructors are overwhelmed by the sheer number of Deaf/hoh students needing assistance. There are also not enough interpreters for all these students and still have enough for the college students and adults that need the interpreters. Something is missing and needs to be fixed.

Just my 2 cents here. Probably not much to some people here.
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Are there any public schools with a strong deaf/hoh programs in Florida that value ASL as well?
 
shel90 said:
What about social and emotional growth? How would a child feel if they know they are behind their peers in a mainstreamed setting? That cant be a good feeling for a child to have.

Many jobs out there are looking for confident people who can work with others (being a team player).

If a child falls behind while being mainstreamed, the child will know it and will lose his/her confidence and withdraw from others. Then, the child will struggle to keep up with his/her hearing peers in social settings which would definitely make things worse. The child would have to work harder as an adult to gain the skills to be able to work with others in the working field. Deaf schools or a strong deaf program in public schools teach deaf children how to be strong leaders, self-advocate, and by being around others like them, the deaf child is less likely to withdraw from people.

I would consider these issues before saying something like that. Besides many deaf schools are adopting the Common Core State Curriculm which is being adopted by many states nationwide. It is very rigorous and prepares the children to become more skilled for future jobs.
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Again, I think you are bringing up questions that parents will have to weigh and continue to evaluate. Good schools would be attentive to a child's needs once they started falling behing. As for socially, I already advocated for having the child in deaf activities and camps if they were being mainstreamed.
 
TXgolfer said:
Again, I think you are bringing up questions that parents will have to weigh and continue to evaluate. Good schools would be attentive to a child's needs once they started falling behing. As for socially, I already advocated for having the child in deaf activities and camps if they were being mainstreamed.
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Yea, parents need to think about all of these things. I did great academically by being mainstreamed but I was constantly swimming hard to keep my head above water just to keep up. Socially, that was already out for me as there was nothing I could do to keep up with my peers in social situations.
 
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