Dorner's Manifesto (Creepy)

[Reba]

...I usually wait till later so that information's more cleaned up and factual.

Well, apparently you didn't follow your own rule this time.

 

[CrazyPaul]

So I was right. He committed suicide since he had a mental illness.

 

[Jiro]

Well, apparently you didn't follow your own rule this time.

yup.

 

[Jiro]

So I was right. He committed suicide since he had a mental illness.

where did it say he had mental illness?

I think he shot himself because it's better than being burned alive.

 

[Lukin]

where did it say he had mental illness?

I think he shot himself because it's better than being burned alive.

Would have done the same thing myself. Better quick death than slow, agonizing death.

 

[CrazyPaul]

where did it say he had mental illness?

I think he shot himself because it's better than being burned alive.

Why didn't he surrender? He could have escaped from fire if he wanted to stay alive. No, his illness lead to suicide.

 

[Jiro]

Why didn't he surrender? He could have escaped from fire if he wanted to stay alive. No, his illness lead to suicide.

dude. he was a cop killer. do you know what cops do to cop killers?

 

[CrazyPaul]

dude. he was a cop killer. do you know what cops do to cop killers?

Of course I know what cops would do. Arrest him as long as he is unarmed. If he fired at them when he got out, what did you expect the cops would do? Surrender means give up (not firing at cops). What's more, there were video by helicopter news everywhere so the cops would do the right thing by the book.

 

[Jiro]

Of course I know what cops would do. Arrest him as long as he is unarmed. If he fired at them when he got out, what did you expect the cops would do? Surrender means give up (not firing at cops). What's more, there were video by helicopter news everywhere so the cops would do the right thing by the book.

they'd kill him. why don't you start googling for news about cop killers? they either get killed or beaten.

 

[CrazyPaul]

they'd kill him. why don't you start googling for news about cop killers? they either get killed or beaten.

They would kill unarmed cop killers? No.

 

[Jiro]

They would kill unarmed cop killers? No.

Dorner was armed..... and shot at 2 wardens... trust me - they were gonna kill him.

 

[Lukin]

Why didn't he surrender? He could have escaped from fire if he wanted to stay alive. No, his illness lead to suicide.

Illness? Have you even read his writing? That doesn't sound ill me. Too logical for my taste, I turned blind eye to it.

I would say surrender is more of illness itself... permanent torments by the public. I'm starting to think whether if you have an illness yourself. "CrazyPaul" as a chosen username earns that reputation so it seems.

For example.

Mark Antony killed himself when Octavius arrived in Egypt. In ancient roman times, it was considered sacred if one kill himself out of the political reason. Doroner in this case seems to be similar. Of course, I'm not sympathizing with him at all...

Russians raping women and shooting them every they can find in their path all the way to Berlin. Hitler had no choice. Would you rather be humiliated in the surrender to Russians?

and. Mishima (sp?) killed himself in a ritual suicide after a failed coup d'etat attempt in 1970s.

And don't forget Hunter S. Thompson. He shot his face with a shotgun, he had chronic and painful medical conditions. Would you rather continue your life with such conditions? No. NO...

And also Boudicca, a fierce Celtic warrior queen, who went against in the Roman rule in defiance of its early British rule.

The list is endless...

So, if you think Doroner has a mental illness... then the rest of above are therefore legitimate examples.

This is just silly. Where were you educated? Ever went to college?

 

[CrazyPaul]

Illness? Have you even read his writing? That doesn't sound ill me. Too logical for my taste, I turned blind eye to it.

On TV, one psychologist who read the manifesto said that Dorner might have a mental problem. His ex-girlfriend said he was always paranoid. Another woman got divorced from him one month later. Even his mother does not condone his actions. He filed a false claim against his partner. He killed cops for revenge. Obviously he was crazy unlike me.

 

[Lukin]

On TV, one psychologist who read the manifesto said that Dorner might have a mental problem. His ex-girlfriend said he was always paranoid. Another woman got divorced from him one month later. Even his mother does not condone his actions. He filed a false claim against his partner. He killed cops for revenge. Obviously he was crazy unlike me.

You just shot once another wrong one.

Let me explain.

Psychologists' job is to make everyone 'deviant'. The very foundation of psychology is just to make one lower than himself/herself, that is the purpose of the science.

Second. He was probably paranoid because of his experiences with the police company. You know what I'm saying? If you were white, and your whole black company members would say "let's kill that white trash." Would you get some kind of paranoia after that? That is natural reaction.

Third. Refer to second one.

Fourth. This is a retarded one. How would you feel if your son had smoked marijuana, had sex at 11 years old, or murdered someone?

Fifth. You are a simpleton.

And. final one. You didn't answer my question, so I assume you only had a high school education degree.

You know what, don't even bother answering the question. The better question is: are you mental?

 

[CrazyPaul]

Psychologists' job is to make everyone 'deviant'. The very foundation of psychology is just to make one lower than himself/herself, that is the purpose of the science.

That's the stupidest thing I have heard.

 

[Lukin]

That's the stupidest thing I have heard.

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You ever take a psychology class? you're making a moron of yourself..
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I give up. as someone who didnt go to college, thus I can't convince you.
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Maybe you should read some psychology books. They speak better than myself. You're very stubborn, apparently... :roll:

 

[Jiro]

On TV, one psychologist who read the manifesto said that Dorner might have a mental problem. His ex-girlfriend said he was always paranoid. Another woman got divorced from him one month later. Even his mother does not condone his actions. He filed a false claim against his partner. He killed cops for revenge. Obviously he was crazy unlike me.

1. that psychologist has never diagnosed him in person therefore it would be unethical for him to make an official diagnosis.

2. false claim? so you're saying his claim about LAPD's racism, police brutality, and cover-up is false?

3. he complained to captain that his fellow officer kicked a suspect in the face and then he got fired. you don't have any problem with this fishy issue?

 

[Jiro]

Christopher Dorner Death: Is LAPD's Image Tarnished? | TIME.com

The massive manhunt for former police officer Christopher Jordan Dorner ended Tuesday in a hail of bullets and a wall of flame, as the mountain cabin he’d taken refuge in caught fire after being besieged by police. On Thursday, authorities confirmed that the body recovered from the wreckage was Dorner’s. “The charred human remains located in the burned out cabin in Seven Oaks have been positively identified to be that of Christopher Dorner,” the San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner’s Office said in a written statement, according to ABC News. ”During the autopsy, positive identification was made through dental examination.”

Dorner is suspected of killing a total of four people, including a Riverside, Calif., police officer, a San Bernardino sheriff’s deputy and the daughter of a former police captain, all part of a one-man war against the Los Angeles Police Department over what he called the force’s “lying, racism” and “cover-ups.” But while Dorner’s rampage is over, his actions could continue to have repercussions — particularly for the LAPD, as his vendetta has stirred up old animosities between the department and the community it serves.

The claims made by Dorner were bold, to say the least: in a rambling, 6,000-word manifesto published on his Facebook page, the former officer complained that he had been discriminated against and effectively driven out of the department after accusing a fellow officer of kicking a suspect in the face. Issues of race and police brutality are particularly sensitive ones in Los Angeles. After all, this is the city where the videotaped police beating of black motorist Rodney King — and the subsequent acquittal of the officers involved — sparked race riots in 1992. The department was also embroiled in a rash of corruption charges and civil rights violations known as the Rampart scandal in the late 1990s and early 2000s; eventually an independent monitor was set up by the LAPD and the federal government to guide and enforce reforms. “The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days,” Dorner claimed in his manifesto. “It has gotten worse.”

Those words, and the actions that followed, poured salt into wounds that hadn’t completely healed in the black community in L.A., and they have already caused damage to the department’s reputation in the past week, says Connie Rice, a civil rights attorney who has sued the LAPD for misconduct and racial discrimination on behalf of minority officers. The force has a long history of mistreating black officers, Rice claims; it wasn’t until the early 1960s, she says, that it ended the forced segregation of squad cars. Now the Dorner accusations have “revived the ghosts” of the LAPD’s past, she says, adding, “This is on such a massive scale in terms of its impact, I’m quite sure there’s been damage.”

Callers on talk radio popular in the African-American community in Los Angeles have been calling Dorner a hero, even proclaiming he was seeking vengeance for slavery, Rice says. A Facebook page called We Stand With Christopher Dorner has attracted more than 22,000 followers.

Dorner’s supporters seem to have interpreted his manifesto not as the rants of a lunatic but as the plea of a man legitimately upset about racial injustice. “The way he responded to discrimination is not the correct way,” says Donald Tibbs, a law professor at Drexel University who studies race and civil rights. “At the same time, his accusations seem to take us back and remind us of the days of old — maybe they’re not so old.”

In an apparent bid to counter this resentment, LAPD chief Charlie Beck announced on Feb. 9 that he had reopened the department’s investigation into Dorner’s dismissal. “As hard as it has been to change the culture of the Los Angeles Police Department, it has been even more difficult to win and maintain the support of the public,” Beck said. “Therefore, I feel we need to also publicly address Dorner’s allegations.” He took this step not “to appease a murderer,” he added, but “to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all the things we do.” And even though Dorner has been confirmed dead, the department says it will continue to pursue the investigation.

The inquest is being taken as a signal that despite Dorner’s claims, the department is trying to put its bad old days behind it. Even Rice agrees that the institutional racism that once plagued the LAPD is largely a thing of the past. “The old culture, in which the top command, from the chief all the way down to the lowest officer, condoned and approved of open racism — that LAPD is gone,” she says. Los Angeles now has a “majority of color” police force, Rice notes, that “seeks the trust of the poor black and poor Latino communities.” Ron Ryan, a retired veteran LAPD sergeant who was active during the King era, agrees that the force has come a long way. “They’ve improved in an all-around sense,” he says.

And while the police manhunt for Dorner wasn’t entirely smooth — two innocent bystanders were shot and injured by police after being mistaken for the fugitive ex-cop — at least it was successful. The huge task force assembled was effective in coordinating a multitude of agencies, some of which aren’t usually involved in such operations, says Lieutenant Patrick Foy, spokesman for the Department of Fish and Wildlife. “All these resources we’re putting in help everybody work better together,” says Foy, whose fellow wardens chased Dorner and dodged his gunfire on Tuesday.

The LAPD itself, mired in the Dorner investigation, wasn’t eager to answer questions about the possibility of a tarnished image and didn’t respond to TIME’s queries as of this writing. But in the end, even those who may have sympathized with Dorner’s message likely have little love for his methods. His explicit threats against the families and children of his former colleagues may ultimately garner the LAPD more friends than enemies, says William Deverell, a history professor at the University of Southern California. “The notion of targeting the family members of officers, that’s just so heinous,” Deverell says. “I can’t imagine it wouldn’t help spark some support for officers and families of the institution.”

 

[Foxrac]

where did it say he had mental illness?

I think he shot himself because it's better than being burned alive.

Yes, burning alive is extremely painful.

 

[CrazyPaul]

1. that psychologist has never diagnosed him in person therefore it would be unethical for him to make an official diagnosis.

2. false claim? so you're saying his claim about LAPD's racism, police brutality, and cover-up is false?

3. he complained to captain that his fellow officer kicked a suspect in the face and then he got fired. you don't have any problem with this fishy issue?

Oh, boy, he claimed that his partner kicked the hobo but the hotel doorman who saw everything said that she didn't. Which one lied?