Crack the myth: Reverse Audism does NOT exist.

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VacationGuy234 said:
Finally! Thank you, I really appreciate that statement.

Sorry about the discussion. I owe you one.
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I really don't think you understand. Just because deaf can practice audism against other deaf does in no way support your claim for reverse audim or audism against hearing.
 
Cheetah said:
I am beginning to see what you are missing here. What you do not realize is that audism includes more than just discrimination. It includes a whole array of attributes and mind sets.

I can clearly see how you would see everything as a form of discrimination. Perhaps on some level they are are. But if you want to talk about the nuts and bolts then you need a way to define a set of traits in order to have a meaningful discussion. The term audism includes discrimination and a bunch of other things and to stand around claiming that audism is simply discrimination is to dismiss the other factors involved.

One example of audism that is not clearly discrimination. Hearing person finds out that a deaf person can drive a car and exclaims "Oh, I didn't know they let them drive". This is a person being ignorant (and not using their head but that's another matter).

Another example, a doctor tells a new mom that they are really sorry but their child is deaf and will never function in society. This is ignorance born of a generation of living in an a society that equates speech/hearing with IQ.
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I remember a close friend during my MSSD days telling me about how doctors and social workers told her mother that my friend would never amount to anything more than a vocational worker or something like that. They made her mother cry. When she asked her mother why she was crying, her mother said they pinched her. I think my friend can do a good deal more than that.
 
deafskeptic said:
I remember a close friend during my MSSD days telling me about how doctors and social workers told her mother that my friend would never amount to anything more than a vocational worker or something. They made her mother cry. When she asked her mother why she was crying, her mother said they pinched her. I think my friend can do a good deal more than that.
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I agree! I think your friend will find that he/she can do almost anything. Heck, there are deaf people breaking barriers left and right. We can now be commercial truck drivers - another barrier broken down!
 
DeafCaroline said:
I've seen oralists come here and express very audist beliefs and it was pretty appalling at times and quite sad.
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Agreed. Sad when someone deaf gets brainwashed into the audist perspective and believes they have to subscribe to it to fit in.
 
Cheetah said:
I really don't think you understand. Just because deaf can practice audism against other deaf does in no way support your claim for reverse audim or audism against hearing.
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Sorry, Cheetah, you can't take it back with a double standard. It's against the rules of logic and quite a few board games, I might add.

I take your answer as it stands, we are all subject to the same rules of society. Well done, couldn't have said it better myself.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Sorry, Cheetah, you can't take it back with a double standard. It's against the rules of logic and quite a few board games, I might add.

I take your answer as it stands, we are all subject to the same rules of society. Well done, couldn't have said it better myself.
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sigh.
 
FireTiger said:
@ rolling>
@ Jillo>

We are currently using this rubric:

Oppression can only be caused by the dominant, consciously or not.

Discrimination is a widespread loss of opportunity cased by Oppression (see above definition)

Stereotype is the bias of in individual based on previous experience (positive or negative, at conciseness with that group or not) common to all humans

prejudice is the social pressure/bias based on incorrect information about a group, controlled by the culture of the dominant group and ignorance of that dominant group.

Is this correct?
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Are we back to definitions again?

Audism- the oppression, discrimination, prejudice, and stereotypes of the deaf community or individual by hearing society or individuals.

All other "-ism" (+ one) = the oppression, discrimination, prejudice, and stereotypes of the (other) community or individual by (dominant) society or individuals. (racism, sexism, audism, ageism, homophobia, regionalism, nationalism...etc etc)


"reverse- Audism" = Error, does not compute- no definition found, the reverse of an "-ism" requires the dominant society to enforce the oppression ...


Q: So what do we call people who are stereotyping all hearies as (negative descriptor of your choice) ?

A: Assholes - or bigoted assholes...
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Sorry, Cheetah, you can't take it back with a double standard. It's against the rules of logic and quite a few board games, I might add.

I take your answer as it stands, we are all subject to the same rules of society. Well done, couldn't have said it better myself.
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Sweetie, you have to be able to use logic before you can invoke the rules of logic.

You simply misunderstood what Cheetah was saying. It happens. Oops!
 
I think VacationGuy was assuming that just because we don't call it reverse audism, we don't hold prejudiced deaf people accountable.

At first, I thought they were talking about audism being just another form of discrimination (this is when reverse audism makes sense), but they were talking SPECIFICALLY about the power that THIS specific form of discrimination (hearing looking down on deaf) holds. Simply because hearing people are the majority.

A hearing person can experience "reverse audism" (in terms of type of discrimination) in a place like Gallaudet, but the HUGE difference that you are missing is... he can easily leave. He can get ANY service he wants that he could have gotten in Gallaudet. He can easily be friends with most people outside of Gallaudet with no discrimination. However, you cannot say the same about deaf people, because we experience it EVERYWHERE and we can't just "leave". This is where the power of audism lies.

Discrimination is discrimination, but not all forms discrimination are equal in power.

However, I do agree on Naisho about some people here calling everything audist/audism, and this is where the confusion lies.

If you define audism as simply discrimination that comes from believing that hearing is superior, then obviously there IS something LIKE a reverse audism. There is really no denying this.

But what people here are saying audism is MORE than that. And their definition of audism cannot have a reversed version.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Sorry, Cheetah, you can't take it back with a double standard. It's against the rules of logic and quite a few board games, I might add.

I take your answer as it stands, we are all subject to the same rules of society. Well done, couldn't have said it better myself.
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:laugh2: No, sorry. I've not taken anything back. I've just tried to help you understand the parts in my arguement that you clearly do not yet understand.
 
Cheetah said:
:laugh2: No, sorry. I've not taken anything back. I've just tried to help you understand the parts in my argument that you clearly do not yet understand.
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Didn't you say that a deaf person can believe the society lie that hearing is better then deaf?

Then they can act on this belief and do because it is what they think is true?

Like a cat raised by dogs might have dog behaviors, but is still a cat pretending to be a dog...
 
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