Is Michael Moore a Hypocrite and a Liar?

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Steinhauer said:
Think in a broader sense ..... giving back to the community. These types hoard the wealth and pass it down. But you probably knew what I meant.
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Who are "these types"?
 
Steinhauer said:
My point was, people who die wealthy didn't give it away.
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Oh, is there some law that says wealthy people are supposed to know when they will die and then make sure they are flat broke by the time they die and not to pass on their wealth to their descendents or ensure donations would be made from their wills?

I know some wealthy people who care only about buying things for themselves and I know wealthy people who care greatly about charity and try their best to ensure their wealth keeps growing so their ability to donate generously continues. That's why there are trusts and foundations set up.
 
jillio said:
No one has said he claimed that. You really need to slow down and think when you are reading. Seriously.
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MM: Wanna free movie?

Victim: Sure! *takes DVD*

MM: Hey!

Victim: What?

MM: Where's my money?

Victim: Money? You said it was free.

MM: That's right.

Victim: Ok!

MM: Where's my money???

Victim: What the????

That's how I see MM, especially from his recent lawsuit, make something for free, give it away for free, then turns around and files a lawsuit.

He's a con man.

Yiz
 
Steinhauer said:
People make that mistake .....all the time.

It breaks my heart but I have to let them down very gently .... No, I am not God ..... But Obama thinks he is.
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Damnit That's 2 tattoos I've been scammed into getting...... *facepalm*

Oh and by "damnit" I wasn't actually asking you to "damn" anything. :lol:
 
Steinhauer said:
My point was, people who die wealthy didn't give it away.
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I don't believe this is correct. If I had to guess, a lot of wealthy people, who don't have celebrity, probably don't have a lot of people around them. If you look at Harvard's endowment, I'd bet that money had no place else to go.

Money just makes life comfortable, it doesn't solve real problem or make friends. In fact, it can make a lot of enemies.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I don't believe this is correct. If I had to guess, a lot of wealthy people, who don't have celebrity, probably don't have a lot of people around them. If you look at Harvard's endowment, I'd bet that money had no place else to go.

Money just makes life comfortable, it doesn't solve real problem or make friends. In fact, it can make a lot of enemies.
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Money always has somewhere to go.
 
I thought this thread was about Michael Moore?

If he says he's against capitalism and wealth but makes his fortune from capitalism, then he would be a hypocrite and liar.

If he says he's against capitalism and wealth but does NOT make his fortune from capitalism, nor does he even have a fortune, then he's living by his principles and telling the truth.

So, the only way to discern that is to know:

1. that Moore is wealthy

2. that the source of that wealth is from capitalistic business resources

If we don't know that 1 or 2 are true, then we can't say definitively that Moore is a hypocrite or liar.

It is possible that Moore doesn't invest in stocks, bonds, or businesses that would be classified as capitalistic ventures.

It is possible that Moore hasn't earned millions of dollars from his movie making. Not all movies make big profits.

It is possible that the figures given for Moore's speaker's fees aren't accurate.

http://www.greatertalent.com/MichaelMoore/
 
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Reba said:
I thought this thread was about Michael Moore?

If he says he's against capitalism and wealth but makes his fortune from capitalism, then he would be a hypocrite and liar.

If he says he's against capitalism and wealth but does NOT make his fortune from capitalism, nor does he even have a fortune, then he's living by his principles and telling the truth.

So, the only way to discern that is to know:

1. that Moore is wealthy

2. that the source of that wealth is from capitalistic business resources

If we don't know that 1 or 2 are true, then we can't say definitively that Moore is a hypocrite or liar.

It is possible that Moore doesn't invest in stocks, bonds, or businesses that would be classified as capitalistic ventures.

It is possible that Moore hasn't earned millions of dollars from his movie making. Not all movies make big profits.

It is possible that the figures given for Moore's speaker's fees aren't accurate.
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I believe MM's stance on Capitalism is that he opposes the abuse of Capitalism, or rather, the abuse of the power that can be seen when one holds power as the result of their wealth. Madoff woud be an example.
 
Steinhauer said:
You kind of have to admire Michael Moore. Only in America can a poor high school barely educated individual use a capitalistic society to tell stories and make films and get rich. Then, to turn right around and scorn the whole process that put them on the map.
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Sounds like Rush to me.
 
Steinhauer said:
Do you know what the difference is between God and Obama?


God doesn't think he is Obama.
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You know what the difference between you and me is? Feel free to list!
You think SWK is: ____________
 
jillio said:
I believe MM's stance on Capitalism is that he opposes the abuse of Capitalism, or rather, the abuse of the power that can be seen when one holds power as the result of their wealth. Madoff woud be an example.
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That's not what Moore said on his website ( michaelmoore.com ):

"I do very well -- and for a documentary filmmaker, I do extremely well. That, too, drives conservatives bonkers. "You're rich because of capitalism!" they scream at me. Um, no. Didn't you take Econ 101? Capitalism is a system, a pyramid scheme of sorts, that exploits the vast majority so that the few at the top can enrich themselves more."

That sounds like he's against the whole capitalistic system.
 
Reba said:
That's not what Moore said on his website ( michaelmoore.com ):

"I do very well -- and for a documentary filmmaker, I do extremely well. That, too, drives conservatives bonkers. "You're rich because of capitalism!" they scream at me. Um, no. Didn't you take Econ 101? Capitalism is a system, a pyramid scheme of sorts, that exploits the vast majority so that the few at the top can enrich themselves more."

That sounds like he's against the whole capitalistic system.
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Yeah but he's using a Capitalistic system to get rich. How else does he get 50 million since he started the film making business in 1989?

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
Yeah but he's using a Capitalistic system to get rich. How else does he get 50 million since he started the film making business in 1989?

Yiz
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Other than the first $3 million (before taxes) that he earned, I don't know for sure how much he's earned in total. He's earned lots for his movies, DVD's, books, and speaking engagements. The exact amount, I don't know.
 
Reba said:
Other than the first $3 million (before taxes) that he earned, I don't know for sure how much he's earned in total. He's earned lots for his movies, DVD's, books, and speaking engagements. The exact amount, I don't know.
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Making money is a Capitalistic system.

If you make money illegally, like stealing, that's not a Capitalistic system.

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
Making money is a Capitalistic system.

If you make money illegally, like stealing, that's not a Capitalistic system.

Yiz
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My guess is that you consider him stealing by making money from the stuff he does, since it is filled with "lies" and "slanted truths" among other things. Would this still make him a Capitalist? :wave:
 
saywhatkid said:
My guess is that you consider him stealing by making money from the stuff he does, since it is filled with "lies" and "slanted truths" among other things. Would this still make him a Capitalist? :wave:
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What he is lying about is he denying he's a Capitalist, when he's using a Capitalistic system to make money.

That's the whole point. You can't make money legally and not call yourself a Capitalist.

To say otherwise is a liar and a hypocrite.

Yiz
 
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