! PSA: Watch your torrenting !

[Jiro]

I don't need them....The law says copyright infringement is theft..... P2P piracy is copyright infringement. a-b, b=c yada yada yada. The law may need to be modernized but it is still a fact. Piracy is theft......That was even a slogan for a while.

Piracy is immoral and illegal whether you anyone admits it is theft of not and the people who do it are scum.

P2P piracy = copyright infringement.... got any legal cases on that?

 

[naisho]

Piracy is immoral and illegal whether you anyone admits it is theft of not and the people who do it are scum.

You've just made it really personal.. Some people make a living on bootlegs in asia, but I'm sure you knew that? Little kids with no food or education, this is their key to living on with any chance at money.

Cost of living over there is way cheaper than here and there's not much you can do when you have over 3 times the USA population.

 

[Jiro]

the famous band group who is on par with technology and trend - Radiohead / DEAD AIR SPACE

they post their albums online for anyone to download for free but they kindly ask you to pay in any amount you feel for what it's worth

 

[Foxrac]

You've just made it really personal.. Some people make a living on bootlegs in asia, but I'm sure you knew that? Little kids with no food or education, this is their key to living on with any chance at money.

Cost of living over there is way cheaper than here and there's not much you can do when you have over 3 times the USA population.

Yup, same in South America, that where piracy movies are very popular.

 

[Jiro]

You've just made it really personal.. Some people make a living on bootlegs in asia, but I'm sure you knew that? Little kids with no food or education, this is their key to living on with any chance at money.

Cost of living over there is way cheaper than here and there's not much you can do when you have over 3 times the USA population.

Yup, same in South America, that where piracy movies are very popular.

well it's illegal for them to sell pirated stuff in here because it's a violation of copyright law. It's illegal. I don't buy from them and I don't support such thing.

 

[TXgolfer]

P2P piracy = copyright infringement.... got any legal cases on that?

Not even gonna try. The law is clear to me whether it has been enforced or not. That is why I wouldn't do it. Hopefully people who do this will eventually reap what they sow.

 

[Foxrac]

well it's illegal for them to sell pirated stuff in here because it's a violation of copyright law. It's illegal. I don't buy from them and I don't support such thing.

What about counterfeit? I heard it is very common at flea market.

 

[TXgolfer]

You've just made it really personal.. Some people make a living on bootlegs in asia, but I'm sure you knew that? Little kids with no food or education, this is their key to living on with any chance at money.

Cost of living over there is way cheaper than here and there's not much you can do when you have over 3 times the USA population.

Personal???? Not at all. Wrong is wrong. Making a living by doing wrong is still wrong.

 

[TXgolfer]

What about counterfeit? I heard it is very common at flea market.

And those flea markets often get busted......much like t-shirt vendors with counterfeit shirts at sporting events.

You normally support Unions. Do you realize that when you buy pirated movies you are stealing from the unions? The money the Unions make on films often goes into education for the performing arts.

 

[Jiro]

And those flea markets often get busted......much like t-shirt vendors with counterfeit shirts at sporting events.

You normally support Unions. Do you realize that when you buy pirated movies you are stealing from the unions? The money the Unions make on films often goes into education for the performing arts.

a chump change compared to the amount that goes into their pocket.

 

[Jiro]

What about counterfeit? I heard it is very common at flea market.

why would you support illegal business? I don't buy such stuff from such place. never have. never will.

 

[Jiro]

Not even gonna try. The law is clear to me whether it has been enforced or not. That is why I wouldn't do it. Hopefully people who do this will eventually reap what they sow.

not really. the law is pretty clear to me that it's a violation of copyright laws if you reproduce it and sell it for profit. period. nothing more. nothing less.

in P2P - it does not fit the legal definition since no profit was made... hence United States v. LaMacchia.

 

[Foxrac]

why would you support illegal business? I don't buy such stuff from such place. never have. never will.

No, many people are unaware of pirated, bootlegs and counterfeit so they think it is real or not.

 

[TXgolfer]

a chump change compared to the amount that goes into their pocket.

More than $0 though

 

[TXgolfer]

not really. the law is pretty clear to me that it's a violation of copyright laws if you reproduce it and sell it for profit. period. nothing more. nothing less.

in P2P - it does not fit the legal definition since no profit was made... hence United States v. LaMacchia.

We disagree......oh well

The United States No Electronic Theft Act (NET Act), a federal law passed in 1997, provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement, even when there is no monetary profit or commercial benefit from the infringement. Maximum penalties can be five years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. The NET Act also raised statutory damages by 50%.

 

[Foxrac]

We disagree......oh well

The United States No Electronic Theft Act (NET Act), a federal law passed in 1997, provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement, even when there is no monetary profit or commercial benefit from the infringement. Maximum penalties can be five years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. The NET Act also raised statutory damages by 50%.

P2P isn't existed in 1997, except for BBS that was commonly used in early 90's.

 

[TXgolfer]

This state of affairs was underscored by the unsuccessful 1994 prosecution of David LaMacchia, then a student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, for allegedly facilitating massive copyright infringement as a hobby, without any commercial motive. The court's dismissal of United States v. LaMacchia suggested that then-existing criminal law simply did not apply to non-commercial infringements (a state of affairs which became known as the "LaMacchia Loophole"). The court suggested that Congress could act to make some non-commercial infringements a crime, and Congress acted on that suggestion in the NET Act

BTW.....Your case preceded the act.....

 

[TXgolfer]

P2P isn't existed in 1997, except for BBS that was commonly used in early 90's.

So?

The NET Act amends the definition of "commercial advantage or private financial gain" to include the exchange of copies of copyrighted works even if no money changes hands and specifies penalties of up to five years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. It also creates a threshold for criminal liability even where the infringer neither obtained nor expected to obtain anything of value for the infringement.
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[Foxrac]

So?

The NET Act amends the definition of "commercial advantage or private financial gain" to include the exchange of copies of copyrighted works even if no money changes hands and specifies penalties of up to five years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. It also creates a threshold for criminal liability even where the infringer neither obtained nor expected to obtain anything of value for the infringement.
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It is still not applies to P2P.

Have you used P2P software before?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Wirelessly posted

It would be far more effective to discuss how to curb piracy instead of bickering about the scenarios.