Is it Offensive to Talk while among a Deaf crowd?

[Cheri]

I don't know what culture you're from, but it is considered rude here not to speak the language of the majority. If you're out in public, you are expected to speak English. If you are in Quebec, you are expected to speak French. If you go to a German settlement colony, you are expected to speak in German or a language close to it like Dutch.

Say what?? I've been to Turkey, and I do not speak their language, I sit with a friend of mine who is from Turkey, we spoke in English, it was just me and him having a conversation, why do I must speak their language when I'm talking to one person? If my friend understands me, and I understand him, then why is it rude not to speak their language when I'm not even talking to anyone else but him. It just doesn't even make no sense.

I've seen Chinese people speak Chinese when I ordered food from a Chinese restaurant in America, and I don't even consider that rude, because they're not talking to me, they're talking to each others. It'll be rude if they spoke in Chinese to me, when I don't even know their language.

You know that the United States has no declared official language, we have many immigrants here with non-English languages, and they are not required to know English, but they should know some.

Also here, what you say or do is open to EVERYONE. There is no such thing as privacy unless you go to a private place.

How so? You don't know anyone else there only the person you are talking to. Since when are you not allow to talk to one person when you are at a place where a majority of people there share the same language? There's no law against that. It's a public place, a free world, you can go anywhere to have a private conversation with anyone.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Cheri, this is hearing culture you went to.

Deaf Culture is unique and different than hearing culture.

Keep in mind that you have mentioned several times that you are not from the Deaf Culture. You don't sign ASL.

You are an oralist. To really grasp Deaf Culture, you'd have to immerse yourself into the Deaf Community and finally understand our frustrations.

Please do us a big favour and don't compare the hearing community to the Deaf community. :roll:

 

[KarissaMann05]

Mmm... Interesting posts here...

I don't think it is offensive if they are in a public and use a voice for the preference of languages. If they don't want to social with D/deaf people to learn ASL or to communication with them and only want to chat between of two deaf people, then let them be so. But I will consider it is rude only if they want to talk me without using ASL or writing on a paper. I meant, why are they not use their hands to communication or write it down on paper for the communication?

Maybe I just see differently?

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Call it experience growing up with some hearing people who assume they have the best intentions at heart when they don't.

Some educators who assume they think they were doing it right by us, Deaf students, in the mainstreaming environment.

My sisters and I would sign and guess what? The hearing teachers would say to us "That's rude! Don't sign in front of other people!"

Now put yourself in my place and some "hard of hearing" people that have ASL knowledge decides to talk to each other in a Deaf social? You bet your arse I will be walking up to them and tell them not to talk.

I've done the same to my intervenors who decided to talk to each other and leaving the DeafBlind clients standing around with no knowledge of what is going on. I'd tactile what is going on and I'd straight out tell the intervenors NOT to talk when they have their own clients right by them.

They'd say feebly "But I'm talking to my friend now".. They know better than to talk using voice when they have a person who has no vision and no voice. It's blatantly being rude.

Now you understand why I keep saying hearing culture and Deaf culture are not the same, period.

It is rude to be talking when you know you can sign in front of other Deaf people. The very same people complain about this are making the very same effort to shun themselves from the Deaf Community, not those who asks them not to talk.

Just don't be rude, period. Yes, I come off as abrasive and I have to do this. It's called common sense, folks. Use it, please.

Some of your actions will reflect badly off & this is like vibes, people pick it up and ostracize you right away. It's not surprising that some of you post here complaining.

I don't need to say anymore. Period.

 

[Cheri]

Cheri, this is hearing culture you went to.

Deaf Culture is unique and different than hearing culture.

Keep in mind that you have mentioned several times that you are not from the Deaf Culture. You don't sign ASL.

You are an oralist. To really grasp Deaf Culture, you'd have to immerse yourself into the Deaf Community and finally understand our frustrations.

Please do us a big favour and don't compare the hearing community to the Deaf community. :roll:

I am an oralist? I don't know ASL? Okay. I'll allow some people on AD who met me in real life that can tell you if that's true or not.

You have never met me in real life to make a blanket statement like that. Don't ever do that again.

Members here were talking about different culturals, not just the deaf community, so do me a favor read the entire thread before you jump all over me. How about that?

 

[Mrs Bucket]

I am an oralist? I don't know ASL? Okay. let some people on AD who met me in real life can tell you if that's true or not.

You have never met me in real life to make a blanket statement like that. Don't ever do that again.

Members here were talking about different culturals, not just the deaf community, so do me a favor read the entire thread before you jump all over me. How about that?

We have chatted in AIM and MSN.

We know each other for several years. You conveniently forget we know each other. I am not making a blanket statement because your posts speaks for yourself.

I don't need to meet you and don't plan to.

I have been following this thread and others.

Please keep in mind that I am far much more educated about ASL, Deaf Culture, ASL Linguistics and so on than you will be.

Sure you know more about BBQ'ing than I do, I'll give you that.

 

[shel90]

Define "know".

I am currently taking ASL level 2 and can hold a simple conversation in ASL. If I have lunch with a hearing friend on Gally campus, should I force myself to talk to her in sign even though I can't really convey what I really want to say, making the conversation "simple" or can I talk to her and actually say what I want to say?

Sometimes I am signing to my deaf friend, and I get frustrated because I want to say something a bit more complicated, and I take FOREVER to fingerspell, so sometimes I just say the word. He can lipread me, so most (if not all) of the time, hes like "Oh yea okay got it."

At Gally, do I have to fingerspell it?

Nope..most people will identify you as a beginner signer and will give you the benefit of doubt. I was in the same shoes as you were when I first entered Gallaudet. My ASL was like level 3.

 

[shel90]

Cheri, this is hearing culture you went to.

Deaf Culture is unique and different than hearing culture.

Keep in mind that you have mentioned several times that you are not from the Deaf Culture. You don't sign ASL.

You are an oralist. To really grasp Deaf Culture, you'd have to immerse yourself into the Deaf Community and finally understand our frustrations.

Please do us a big favour and don't compare the hearing community to the Deaf community. :roll:

True...I see it too.

I didnt fully understand until I immersed myself in Deaf culture. Before, I thought I did but I didnt at all. LOL!

 

[Mrs Bucket]

There are 6 levels of ASL when you learn.

As you learn each level, your expertise changes. The instructor will encourage you to do much more socialising ie silent dinners, socialising with the Deaf Community and will grade you when he/she appears at those socials.

The instructor may recruit his/her friends to grade you as well. There are different approaches to different instructors but they all share one same perspective, learn ASL and Deaf Culture.

 

[Cheri]

We rarely ever talk on AIMS, I would say maybe at least three times the most in the past. I have never stated that I was an oralist, I grew up in an oral setting most of my child hood life, and then went in total communication. It doesn't mean I'm an oralist. I do know ASL, I do know PSE and SEE. I do speak and sign the same time, and sometimes I turn my voice off when I'm signing in ASL, and I'm very much a part of the deaf community, I do go to deaf events. very much.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

True...I see it too.

I didnt fully understand until I immersed myself in Deaf culture. Before, I thought I did but I didnt at all. LOL!

Just don't know why it is so hard for a group of people to understand us, a small group of Culturally Deaf people, in this site.

Deaf Culture exists.

Deaf Communities exists.

Don't question their existences.

 

[shel90]

Just don't know why it is so hard for a group of people to understand us, a small group of Culturally Deaf people, in this site.

Deaf Culture exists.

Deaf Communities exists.

Don't question their existences.

What annoys me is people who are not culturally Deaf state what should be right and wrong in Deaf culture. They have no place to determine the values and norms of Deaf culture.

You and I didnt make the rules in Deaf culture..it is decades and decades of growth and change. Nobody can just come in and change the rules. Very offensive.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

We rarely ever talk on AIMS, I would say maybe at least three times the most in the past. I have never stated that I was an oralist, I grew up in an oral setting most of my child hood life, and then went in total communication. It doesn't mean I'm an oralist. I do know ASL, I do know PSE and SEE. I do speak and sign the same time, and sometimes I turn my voice off when I'm signing in ASL, and I'm very much a part of the deaf community, I do go to deaf events. very much.

This makes you an oralist by our definition.

You grew up in an oral setting therefore you are an oralist.

You say you know ASL but you don't sign it solely because you sign other methods.

You need to stick with ONLY one language, ASL to claim you sign ASL. You cannot sign PSE, TC, voice and still sign ASL. This is called fence-straddling and confusing yourself & others.

To go to deaf events doesn't mean you are a part of the Deaf Community because you question us, our existence and our language.

You constantly question our approaches so please don't call yourself a part of us until you accept yourself first as a "Culturally Deaf" person and accept the existences of the Deaf Culture and the Deaf Community.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Just don't know why it is so hard for a group of people to understand us, a small group of Culturally Deaf people, in this site.

Deaf Culture exists.

Deaf Communities exists.

Don't question their existences.

you and shel said it all really good. that's what i need this good vibes of ASL to bring here in my hometown and keep spreading like a good soul.

 

[Frisky Feline]

what annoys me is people who are not culturally deaf state what should be right and wrong in deaf culture. They have no place to determine the values and norms of deaf culture.

You and i didnt make the rules in deaf culture..it is decades and decades of growth and change. Nobody can just come in and change the rules. Very offensive.

amen to that!

 

[shel90]

you and shel said it all really good. that's what i need this good vibes of ASL to bring here in my hometown and keep spreading like a good soul.

Aww..here is a

 

[Mrs Bucket]

What annoys me is people who are not culturally Deaf state what should be right and wrong in Deaf culture. They have no place to determine the values and norms.

You and I didnt make the rules in Deaf culture..it is decades and decades of growth and change. Nobody can just come in and change the rules. Very offensive.

It is our values and our morals.

We didn't determine them. There's no golden book we follow.

No golden idol we follow.

This is decades of suppression, folks.

We finally speak out and the same vicious cycle repeats.

To think someone can try to alter the past or change a set or morals.. no thanks. You'll have to put up with the whole community.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

you and shel said it all really good. that's what i need this good vibes of ASL to bring here in my hometown and keep spreading like a good soul.

to you!

 

[Cheri]

You constantly question our approaches so please don't call yourself a part of us until you accept yourself first as a "Culturally Deaf" person and accept the existences of the Deaf Culture and the Deaf Community.

I've met some people like you and those like you rubs me the wrong way, and I avoid people like you that are so judgmental, just because I'm not "deaf" enough in your define that I don't share the same language, values, behavior patterns it doesn't make me any less of a deaf person than you. Thanks for showing me who you really are.

I'm done for today. peace out.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

I've met some people like you and those like you rubs me the wrong way, and I avoid people like you that are so judgmental, just because I'm not "deaf" enough in your define that I don't share the same language, values, behavior patterns it doesn't make me any less of a deaf person than you. Thanks for showing me who you really are.

I'm done for today. peace out.

That is your issue because self acceptance comes first.

I am who I am. You call it judgmental, I call it honest.

Please don't bother pulling the "simpering minion" act, dear Cheri.

It gets old.. bigtime. I've seen you do this all the time with debates when they don't go your way which is why I set you in your place. You don't like it, grow up.

It shows you cannot debate, period. If you cannot agree with the philosophy of Deaf Culture/Community, simply walk away or don't discuss it.

You will return back to this thread, I know you too well. You are just too predictable, Cheri.