Is it Offensive to Talk while among a Deaf crowd?

shel90 said:
At Gallaudet University, there are people signing in languages from different countries.

Spoken languages are out in the hearing world. At Gallaudet, it is sign language whether it is LSQ, SLL, ASL, or Auslan.
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Oh, yes. I should have remembered that. If I recall correctly, Gally has the highest percentage of foreigners of any college campus in the USA.
 
i mean what are hearing people who don't know sign doing on a gallaudet university campus in the first place except graduation day. :shrug:
 
kokonut said:
Um, again, folks it's about a private conversation between two people who may in fact not know sign language. Consider that possibility instead of getting all pissed off over what could amount to nothing.

Two people
Private conversation
Equals, none of your business
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Two people
Private conversation
Go someplace private...

Same with two signers who want to have a private conversation...they go someplace private to carry on their conversation..


Same for two hearing people who want to have a private conversation..they go someplace private so other hearing people wont overhear their conversations.

If two people want a private conversation but have it among deaf signers knowing that they wont understand their conversation, that's taking advantage of their deafness which goes beyond rude..it is offensive.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I'm HURT! HURT!!!

(but it's kinda true...)

Let's pretend that they are Cuban-Americans...
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the one born in USA or the one who came here via makeshift boat with 4 tires and a wooden board?
 
shel90 said:
If two people want a private conversation but have it among deaf signers knowing that they wont understand their conversation, that's taking advantage of their deafness which goes beyond rude..it is offensive.
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Why do they must know their conversation? Do you stare at hearing people at a restaurant trying to figure out what they're talking about? Why do deaf signers must know what the two people are talking about when they're sitting by themselves together? It's a public place, there's no rules that you cannot have a private conversation out at any public places.
 
To get a deeper understanding, read "A Journey into the Deaf-World" by Harlan Lane, robert Hoffmeister, and Ben Bahan.

In the Chinese culture, it is rude to make eye contact so do we go to their country and tell them that they are ridiculous for this value?
 
Jiro said:
the one born in USA or the one who came here via makeshift boat with 4 tires and a wooden board?
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Both, although for the latter, they must have come here before 1981. After 1981, they are basically still poor Cubans.

(Yes I totally made up that year...)
 
shel90 said:
To get a deeper understanding, read "A Journey into the Deaf-World" by Harlan Lane, robert Hoffmeister, and Ben Bahan.

In the Chinese culture, it is rude to make eye contact so do we go to their country and tell them that they are ridiculous for this value?
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that was a damn good book. thick though
 
Cheri said:
Why do they must know their conversation? Do you stare at hearing people at a restaurant trying to figure out what they're talking about? Why do deaf signers must know what the two people are talking about when they're sitting by themselves together? It's a public place, there's no rules that you cannot have a private conversation out at any public places.
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You missed the whole point. Mrs. Bucket clearly explained it. Just need to think outside of the box.

We were talking about Gallaudet. Did u miss my earlier posts in this thread I posted before Kokonut changed the question to being at Gallaudet? Please go back and read them if you havent done read them.
 
shel90 said:
To get a deeper understanding, read "A Journey into the Deaf-World" by Harlan Lane, robert Hoffmeister, and Ben Bahan.

In the Chinese culture, it is rude to make eye contact so do we go to their country and tell them that they are ridiculous for this value?
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THAT'S where the difference lies. To me, it's purely a cultural thing. From an American standpoint, it's not rude, really. It's only rude from a Deaf standpoint.
 
Daredevel7 said:
THAT'S where the difference lies. To me, it's purely a cultural thing. From an American standpoint, it's not rude, really. It's only rude from a Deaf standpoint.
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And it is Deaf culture...a culture. Why doesnt Deaf culture get the same respect as American, Spanish or French culture? Just because we are all deaf? There are Deaf culture classes and it has been recognized by experts as a culture of its own. None of us have any right to determine the rules for any culture and Deaf culture should have the same respect.
 
shel90 said:
And it is Deaf culture...a culture. Why doesnt Deaf culture get the same respect as American, Spanish or French culture? Just because we are all deaf? There are Deaf culture classes and it has been recognized by experts as a culture of its own. None of us have any right to determine the rules for any culture and Deaf culture should have the same respect.
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:gpost: One of my pet peeves regarding the hearing culture is that they tend to dismiss us and our language.
 
shel90 said:
And it is Deaf culture...a culture. Why doesnt Deaf culture get the same respect as American, Spanish or French culture? Just because we are all deaf? There are Deaf culture classes and it has been recognized by experts as a culture of its own. None of us have any right to determine the rules for any culture and Deaf culture should have the same respect.
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Oh no I know. I understand. But it seems to me that Deaf people implies that it is (or should be) an....intrinsically (for the lack of a better word) rude thing. As if it is something that we should automatically know as being rude, such as interrupting a conversation, cutting in line, etc. As opposed to a rudeness that is generated from being in a different culture such as showing the bottom of your feet in Thailand. People in Thailand don't get angry at foreigners for showing the bottom of their feet (from crossing their legs, etc), only reminds them to put the feet down.

I hope Im making sense....
 
Daredevel7 said:
Oh no I know. I understand. But it seems to me that Deaf people implies that it is (or should be) an....intrinsically (for the lack of a better word) rude thing. As if it is something that we should automatically know as being rude, such as interrupting a conversation, cutting in line, etc. As opposed to a rudeness that is generated from being in a different culture such as showing the bottom of your feet in Thailand. People in Thailand don't get angry at foreigners for showing the bottom of their feet (from crossing their legs, etc), only reminds them to put the feet down.

I hope Im making sense....
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If someone is new to it, most Deaf people are understanding but if someone who is not..that's a different story.

When I first entered Gallaudet, I committed several faux pax because I was new to Deaf culture but if I had kept doing the things I wanted to knowing it was offensive, then I wouldnt be considered as someone who is respectful. With this view, I completely understand because it is about equal access to language, communication, and information. If one wants to make their conversations private and dont want anyone to have access to them, there is being discreet.
 
shel90 said:
If someone is new to it, most Deaf people are understanding but if someone who is not..that's a different story.

When I first entered Gallaudet, I committed several faux pax because I was new to Deaf culture but if I had kept doing the things I wanted to knowing it was offensive, then I wouldnt be considered as someone who is respectful. With this view, I completely understand because it is about equal access to language, communication, and information. If one wants to make their conversations private and dont want anyone to have access to them, there is being discreet.
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Understandable.... although, I am KINDA tempted to go there and start talking, just to see what happens.. :D

Yes I AM evil like that.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Understandable.... although, I am KINDA tempted to go there and start talking, just to see what happens.. :D

Yes I AM evil like that.
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You would have a good excuse..you arent fluent in ASL yet. If you were and did that, I say "Good luck! " :wave:
 
Daredevel7 said:
Understandable.... although, I am KINDA tempted to go there and start talking, just to see what happens.. :D

Yes I AM evil like that.
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hey me too.

2 deafies talking to each other on Gally Campus.... what a ruckus! :hyper:
 
I do consider it rude for ASL or PSE signers not to sign to a deaf person or if they are surrounded by Deaf people.

Dunno. Maybe I am different? When I go to Quebec, I am expected to speak Quebecois French. So the whole "it's not rude to speak on a well-known Deaf campus" is asinine to me.

It is okay to have private conversations in whatever language you prefer as long it is the acceptable CULTURAL place for it. Here, Asians don't speak their native tongues unless they are in an Asian-orientated place (ie. Buddhist temples, restaurants, stores and so on.)
 
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