Is it Offensive to Talk while among a Deaf crowd?

Seriously? It's actually rude to talk on the Gallaudet campus? I understand it being rude when you're in a group and all that, but 2 people talking among themselves??? Seems wrong to me on several levels....
 
deafannieboo said:
just because pse or see is not your language doesnt mean that its not a deaf persons language. as asl is a Deaf persons language. Deaf/and deaf are diff....
i understand what u are saying. and how u have said it as quoted i agree. most hearies dont understand that not all sign language is the same. asl is language used by Deaf community. pse, see, and cued is not. however not everyone is born deaf or went to deaf school and know asl fluently. some have to resort to see or pse until they can learn asl. i think what alot of people dont understand is there is a difference between Deaf and deaf. alot of deaf use see and pse and cued.
sorry to stray from the thread... :2c:
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Neither PSE or SEE are considered true languages if I recall correctly. Rather they are considered MCEs (manaully coded English). I still sign ASL with a rather strong English "accent".
 
Daredevel7 said:
Seriously? It's actually rude to talk on the Gallaudet campus? I understand it being rude when you're in a group and all that, but 2 people talking among themselves??? Seems wrong to me on several levels....
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Yes. It is if both people are known to be signers. No deaf likes to be excluded from a conservation though most wouldn't butt in or even evedrop on it. I'd think they'd make execptations for people who clearly don't know sign. Now if they go out of the way to offend deaf, that's something else.

If I were to use a cell phone on that campus, I would do so discreetly.

I'd sign to my parents on that campus though I would have to speak at the same time. My signing suffers badly when I speak. I dislike signing while speaking.
 
deafskeptic said:
Yes. It is if both people are known to be signers. No deaf likes to be excluded from a conservation though most wouldn't butt in or even evedrop on it. I'd think they'd make execptations for people who clearly don't know sign. Now if they go out of the way to offend deaf, that's something else.

If I were to use a cell phone on that campus, I would do so discreetly.

I'd sign to my parents on that campus though I would have to speak at the same time. My signing suffers badly when I speak. I dislike signing while speaking.
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Isn't this kind of the same as 2 people speaking in Spanish here in America? English is the national language, kind of like how ASL is the "national" language of the deaf, and Gallaudet is kind of like "their land". So here in our land of America, why isn't it considered rude for 2 people speaking Spanish (who DO know English), but it is rude for 2 people to talk in Gallaudet? I'm genuinely asking. What's the difference? Or maybe you DO consider 2 people speaking Spanish in America rude?
 
Mrs Bucket said:
Yes, it is rude because Gallaudet is the mecca for all Deaf people.

To have the nerve to talk in front of all Deaf people is just like blatantly going against the morals & values of what everyone goes to Gallaudet for.

I am sorry but sometimes when a person really puts up an effort to go against the grain of what Deaf Culture does shouldn't really bother socialising with the Deaf Community.

Call it ethnocentrism, yes, there is a reason for this.

Values and morals.
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I disagree. If they want to speak, they can. They aren't excluding anyone, they are having a private conversation. The two people involved get to choose the mode of communication.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Isn't this kind of the same as 2 people speaking in Spanish here in America? English is the national language, kind of like how ASL is the "national" language of the deaf, and Gallaudet is kind of like "their land". So here in our land of America, why isn't it considered rude for 2 people speaking Spanish (who DO know English), but it is rude for 2 people to talk in Gallaudet? I'm genuinely asking. What's the difference? Or maybe you DO consider 2 people speaking Spanish in America rude?
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I don't consider two people speaking in spoken language rude unless they are on the Gally campus/deaf school. The reason being that if it's outside the campus, the majority are hearing and they can learn to speak spanish/other languages if they wanted to.

We can't adapt as easily so it's considered rude to talk with no sign at Gally.
 
faire_jour said:
I disagree. If they want to speak, they can. They aren't excluding anyone, they are having a private conversation. The two people involved get to choose the mode of communication.
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But yet, those people have access to everyone else's conversations? If the conversation is so private, go somewhere private.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
SEE, PSE are not accepted languages of the Deaf Community.

ASL is the language of the Deaf Community.

You are your own person as you should be and I am my own person.

ASL is my language. Speech may be your language.

I have no problem accepting other people's languages but to assert to us to accept SEE and PSE as a language is not acceptable. Period.
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:gpost:
 
deafskeptic said:
Yes. It is if both people are known to be signers. No deaf likes to be excluded from a conservation though most wouldn't butt in or even evedrop on it. I'd think they'd make execptations for people who clearly don't know sign. Now if they go out of the way to offend deaf, that's something else.

If I were to use a cell phone on that campus, I would do so discreetly.

I'd sign to my parents on that campus though I would have to speak at the same time. My signing suffers badly when I speak. I dislike signing while speaking.
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That's the key component here. Are these two deaf people signers or dont know any?

If they do, then they are rude. If they dont and try to make an effort to learn, then people will go out of their way to help.

I have seen the difference happen at Gallaudet University myself.
 
deafskeptic said:
I don't consider two people speaking in spoken language rude unless they are on the Gally campus/deaf school. The reason being that if it's outside the campus, the majority are hearing and they can learn to speak spanish/other languages if they wanted to.

We can't adapt as easily so it's considered rude to talk with no sign at Gally.
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I meant 2 people speaking Spanish is rude to American citizens.

Deaf people cannot adapt easily, so it's rude for people to speak. Deaf signers do not like to be excluded from a conversation. Gallaudet is "Deaf people land", meaning the majority use ASL.

I can use this logic for Spanish speaking people vs Americans:

Americans cannot adapt easily, so it's rude for people to speak Spanish. Americans do not like to be excluded from a conversation. America is "English speaking land", meaning the majority speak English.

Where is the difference?
 
shel90 said:
But yet, those people have access to everyone else's conversations? If the conversation is so private, go somewhere private.
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Says who? Just because someone is deaf doesn't mean they know ASL, as has been pointed out many times in this thread. So do Deaf people walk around pissed that I can access both spoken language and ASL, and can "hear everybody's conversations"?

If two Japanese people are speaking Japanese, and know English as well, it is none of my damn buisness if they choose to speak Japanese. It is their conversation and their choice.

Maybe the deaf person can not communicate freely in ASL, does your need to easedrop trump their need for accessable and free communication?
 
daredevel7 said:
i meant 2 people speaking spanish is rude to american citizens.

Deaf people cannot adapt easily, so it's rude for people to speak. Deaf signers do not like to be excluded from a conversation. Gallaudet is "deaf people land", meaning the majority use asl.

I can use this logic for spanish speaking people vs americans:

Americans cannot adapt easily, so it's rude for people to speak spanish. Americans do not like to be excluded from a conversation. America is "english speaking land", meaning the majority speak english.

Where is the difference?
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exactly!!
 
Mrs Bucket said:
I have no problem accepting other people's languages but to assert to us to accept SEE and PSE as a language is not acceptable. Period.
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Where did I say anything about "language"? I said "mode of communications"

Lipreading (or speech reading), sign language and voice, ASL with no voice, oral, Cued Speech. Those are mode of communications. ;)
 
I just find it a little strange that hearing people (who are trying to learn sign) are pressured to have conversations in sign with each other if they eat lunch on campus at Gallaudet.....

It's kind of like 2 Cubans visiting Italy, and attempting to speak poor Italian to each other as to not offend other people who MAY be eavesdropping. I'm sorry but that's just strange to me.
 
faire_jour said:
Says who? Just because someone is deaf doesn't mean they know ASL, as has been pointed out many times in this thread. So do Deaf people walk around pissed that I can access both spoken language and ASL, and can "hear everybody's conversations"?

If two Japanese people are speaking Japanese, and know English as well, it is none of my damn buisness if they choose to speak Japanese. It is their conversation and their choice.

Maybe the deaf person can not communicate freely in ASL, does your need to easedrop trump their need for accessable and free communication?
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This is Gallaudet University we are speaking of. Mrs. Bucket said it all. Up to you if you dont want to sign there.

Out in the hearing world, I dont expect to have access to language but at Gallaudet University, I expect it. You will have access to language at both places so pls do not talk to me about not having access most of the time. You do not know what it is like.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I just find it a little strange that hearing people (who are trying to learn sign) are pressured to have conversations in sign with each other if they eat lunch on campus at Gallaudet.....

It's kind of like 2 Cubans visiting Italy, and attempting to speak poor Italian to each other as to not offend other people who MAY be eavesdropping. I'm sorry but that's just strange to me.
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At Gallaudet University, there are people signing in languages from different countries.

Spoken languages are out in the hearing world. At Gallaudet, it is sign language whether it is LSQ, SLL, ASL, or Auslan.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I just find it a little strange that hearing people (who are trying to learn sign) are pressured to have conversations in sign with each other if they eat lunch on campus at Gallaudet.....

It's kind of like 2 Cubans visiting Italy, and attempting to speak poor Italian to each other as to not offend other people who MAY be eavesdropping. I'm sorry but that's just strange to me.
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i dunno but can Cubans even afford to travel to Italy? :dunno:
 
Um, again, folks it's about a private conversation between two people who may in fact not know sign language. Consider that possibility instead of getting all pissed off over what could amount to nothing.

Two people
Private conversation
Equals, none of your business
 
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