Some thoughts?

[shel90]

And other people have said that they know adults that have grown up oral and are very happy with it. Other's have know children who have grown up using CI's and had no language delays. These people are told that their examples are the exception and that they should be disregarded, couldn't the same be said for these examples?

The risks are there, that's why and so many deaf children who were put in this position end up with language delays so as long as there are numerous of children like that, the risks shouldnt be allowed. That's the whole point.

 

[faire_jour]

The risks are there, that's why and so many deaf children who were put in this position end up with language delays so as long as there are numerous of children like that, the risks shouldnt be allowed. That's the whole point.

And oralists believe there are risks with a voice-off program. (Actually, I would call myself an oralist, and I believe there are issues/risks)

 

[shel90]

And oralists believe there are risks with a voice-off program. (Actually, I would call myself an oralist, and I believe there are issues/risks)

How? The kids have full access to language...

Unless speech is the only goal in mind. I prefer language, literacy, and all the works than just speech skills. I guess that makes my priorities different from the oralists.

 

[faire_jour]

How? The kids have full access to language...

Unless speech is the only goal in mind. I prefer language, literacy, and all the works than just speech skills. I guess that makes my priorities different from the oralists.

No, but speech is on the list.

Also, I believe that phonetic awareness has impact on literacy. Reading is processed in the brain as an auditory function. If those skills are weak, there can be trouble.

 

[shel90]

No, but speech is on the list.

Also, I believe that phonetic awareness has impact on literacy. Reading is processed in the brain as an auditory function. If those skills are weak, there can be trouble.

If that was the case, then my brother would be illiterate but since he is not so

There are different wants of teaching reading ...phonetic awareness is not the only way. If it was, many deaf people wouldnt make it past kindergarten level of reading.

 

[Jiro]

No, but speech is on the list.

Also, I believe that phonetic awareness has impact on literacy. Reading is processed in the brain as an auditory function. If those skills are weak, there can be trouble.

whoa.............. I expect a shitstorm coming your way!!!!

I'm outta here!

 

[faire_jour]

If that was the case, then my brother would be illiterate but since he is not so

There are different wants of teaching reading ...phonetic awareness is not the only way. If it was, many deaf people wouldnt make it past kindergarten level of reading.

Didn't say it was the only way, just that it was important to me.

 

[Buffalo]

No, but speech is on the list.

Also, I believe that phonetic awareness has impact on literacy. Reading is processed in the brain as an auditory function. If those skills are weak, there can be trouble.

If that is so, every hearing high school senior would be at 12th grade reading level and we know it is not so.

 

[loml]

No, but speech is on the list.

Also, I believe that phonetic awareness has impact on literacy. Reading is processed in the brain as an auditory function. If those skills are weak, there can be trouble.

faire_jour - Phonetic awareness is one of the benefits of cueing.

 

[Jiro]

If that was the case, then my brother would be illiterate but since he is not so

There are different wants of teaching reading ...phonetic awareness is not the only way. If it was, many deaf people wouldnt make it past kindergarten level of reading.

yea same. My mom's friend's daughter is barely HOH but more like 100% deaf cuz her HA was virtually useless to her. She primarily uses ASL and she was in same speech therapy class with me (to be oral). I had a better success than her and it was completely futile to teach her oral so she discontinued the class. My mom still kept in touch with her mom and apparently.... while I excelled in oral, she excelled far past me in academic. She graduated from one of the best private high school in Eastern Coast.... and graduated from MIT. Now she's an English professor.... but cannot speak. oh and also no CI.

 

[faire_jour]

If that is so, every hearing high school senior would be at 12th grade reading level and we know it is not so.

Didn't say it was the only factor, just one.

 

[shel90]

Didn't say it was the only way, just that it was important to me.

Ok, just hope that it is successful for your child.

BTW..again, many of us support the use of BOTH..always and will always will. Nobody is saying NO to denying a child the opportunity to develop oral skills so I dont see what the problem here is.

Unless u are advocating for oral-only..but u say u are not...so what's the conflict here?

 

[loml]

If that is so, every hearing high school senior would be at 12th grade reading level and we know it is not so.

Buffalo - It is not the simple.

 

[shel90]

yea same. My mom's friend's daughter is barely HOH but more like 100% deaf cuz her HA was virtually useless to her. She primarily uses ASL and she was in same speech therapy class with me (to be oral). I had a better success than her and it was completely futile to teach her oral so she discontinued the class. My mom still kept in touch with her mom and apparently.... while I excelled in oral, she excelled far past me in academic. She graduated from one of the best private high school in Eastern Coast.... and graduated from MIT. Now she's an English professor.... but cannot speak. oh and also no CI.

 

[faire_jour]

Ok, just hope that it is successful for your child.

BTW..again, many of us support the use of BOTH..always and will always will. Nobody is saying NO to denying a child the opportunity to develop oral skills so I dont see what the problem here is.

Unless u are advocating for oral-only..but u say u are not...so what's the conflict here?

I believe that some bi-bi schools don't value spoken language. They think that oral skills don't matter. That does not appeal to many hearing parents, especially those who have chosen a CI.

 

[Buffalo]

yea same. My mom's friend's daughter is barely HOH but more like 100% deaf cuz her HA was virtually useless to her. She primarily uses ASL and she was in same speech therapy class with me (to be oral). I had a better success than her and it was completely futile to teach her oral so she discontinued the class. My mom still kept in touch with her mom and apparently.... while I excelled in oral, she excelled far past me in academic. She graduated from one of the best private high school in Eastern Coast.... and graduated from MIT. Now she's an English professor.... but cannot speak. oh and also no CI.

for your friend!!!

 

[rick48]

based on what you said - so you're saying the person of family member with disease is "more expert" than a medical specialist?

That is a bizarre interpretation of what I wrote. Try again.

 

[Buffalo]

I believe that some bi-bi schools don't value spoken language. They think that oral skills don't matter. That does not appeal to many hearing parents, especially those who have chosen a CI.

They are there to teach kids education not give speech therapies. Some kids would have no speech skills so those kids would feel bad if the emphasis is on speech.

 

[shel90]

I believe that some bi-bi schools don't value spoken language. They think that oral skills don't matter. That does not appeal to many hearing parents, especially those who have chosen a CI.

Isnt education the #1 concern of schools?

 

[Jiro]

for your friend!!!

funny thing is.... my mom frequently had "debates" with her mom over how it should be for deafie because both of them have fundamentally different ideas. Apparently.... her mom's approach had a better success than mine. Jane (a made-up name for that girl) was treated as deaf and recognized as deaf but my mom wanted me to be "hearing" thus I was lead down to hearing path.

Not that my parents made a grave mistake but now I know better enough not to go down the same path as I did if I were to have a deaf kid.