UN Official Wants to Prosecute Bush, Rumsfeld for Torture

[Foxrac]

Your post tell itself that you didn´t know much about US polities... See? Many countries around the world know about US polities more than you know... CENSORSHIP....



I never said that Nixon went to court. I really have no idea where you get it from... Please show me where I said that Nixon went to court? I only said that Nixon face consequences over watergate scandal... They CAN impeach him but he choose to resign to aviod impeachment. Don´t you know that?

Don´t you know that many Americans want to impeach Bush?







You can say what you want and what you beleive in...

Impeachment is very impossible, require 67 out of 100 in senate to impeach the president and impossible for democrat or republican to be 67 out of 100.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

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QUOTE=Jiro;1252278]Can you show me the proof that Obama has closed Gitmo Camp because I have not heard such thing. As far as I'm concerned - it's still open.

wow, you didn´t know... I would suggest you to search google to find out yourself that Obama SIGNED to close the Gitmo Camp within a year...

huh? refrain? Why? The Nuremburg Trial, Holocaust Survivors, etc. called it Death Camp. Technically it was the death camp because it's what it was designed for. Why did it have gas chamber and furnace? to make a brick-oven pizza for Jews? :roll:

You can say negative about other countries what you want but why can´t I say any negative view over Gitmo camp?

If you feel being insult then refrain your negative view on other countries, camp, etc including US soliders as well... You insulted US soliders as coward, etc for refuse to serve Iraq... Please refrain your insult on US soliders... Why you allow to insult anything but feel being insult over my negative view on GITMO camp as a torture camp... *shake my head*

 

[Foxrac]

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wow, you didn´t know... I would suggest you to search google to find out yourself that Obama SIGNED to close the Gitmo Camp within a year...



You can say negative about other countries what you want but why can´t I say any negative view over Gitmo camp?

If you feel being insult then refrain your negative view on other countries, camp, etc including US soliders as well... You insulted US soliders as coward, etc for refuse to serve Iraq... Please refrain your insult on US soliders... Why you allow to insult anything but feel being insult over my negative view on GITMO camp as a torture camp... *shake my head*

You made misled about CLOSED, CLOSED is means already past.

 

[Jiro]

wow, you didn´t know... I would suggest you to search google to find out yourself that Obama SIGNED to close the Gitmo Camp within a year...

Like Foxrac said - you made MISLEADING comment. Gitmo Camp IS NOT closed. It WILL BE closed within a year. BIG BIG DIFFERENCE. You know you can easily stop this nonsense, pointless fighting if you can simply concede your mistake.

You can say negative about other countries what you want but why can´t I say any negative view over Gitmo camp?

If you feel being insult then refrain your negative view on other countries, camp, etc including US soliders as well... You insulted US soliders as coward, etc for refuse to serve Iraq... Please refrain your insult on US soliders... Why you allow to insult anything but feel being insult over my negative view on GITMO camp as a torture camp... *shake my head*

huh? what are you in god's name are you talking about????? If I see such evidence about Gitmo Camp, then yes I will speak negatively about it. So far - NO PROOF, NOTHING. Just "WAAAAHHH WAAAAAHHHH" testimonies from prisoners. To add insult to injury - you showed us most of torture pictures that were NOT even from Gitmo Camp!!!!

Based on your post above - you are writing irrationally and irritably. I highly recommend you to finish reading the thread first and then re-read the posts several times before you reply.

DEEP BREATH and calm down. That way - your posts will make more sense.

 

[Reba]

wow, US meida didn´t tell you that Obama signed to close the GITMO within year?

Of course the US media published Obama's executive order. Don't be a smart alec. The year isn't up. GITMO is still open. They haven't even started to close it because they don't know where to send the detainees.

No, I do not complaint about my former boss because I don´t work together with him or don´t work in GITMO camp. :roll:

While he was President and Commander in Chie, he was your boss. Your work supported his war.

Even if you pretend to be blind to the facts, every one can see thru you.

You've done nothing but complain about and accuse Bush and the Iraq war. You might be in denial but your posts live on for permanent proof.

It´s hypocrite of you to accused Clinton negative (crimes, illegal, etc) in MANY posts and defend Bush, no matter how and what he did wrong...

How did Clinton get thrown into this thread????

What does Clinton have to do with the fact that you complain about the war in Iraq but you accept money from those who conduct that same war?

That's also an inaccurate statement. I've criticized many of Bush's decisions and actions. Of course you overlook that.

I can't believe that you think it's ethically right for you to speak against your boss and criticize soldiers during working hours, on office equipment, while being paid by those whom you criticize. Most places would fire an employee for doing that.

Yes, that´s right until Bush took office and authorize the torture after 9/11...

Show me documentation that proves Bush authorized the establishment of a "torture camp" at GITMO.

No, The Nazi camp was never built for the purposes of death until 1941/42.

You just admitted that the Nazis built the camps for the purposes of death during WWII (1941/42). Thank you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm sorry but do you have a proof that Bush wants oil from Iraq? I don't see how because we're paying for Iraq out of our pocket. EPIC FAIL accusation! Bush admitted that he made faulty decision based on faulty information.


You know why EU including Germany failed? Because THEY HAD NO PROOF! Neither do you! If Bush Administration was REALLY doing something illegal, then why aren't they in jail? Why isn't Obama Administration going after him? Because THERE IS NO PROOF! Granted - it was borderline illegal but it's not what you all think.

Don´t you know that there´re plenty of websites open in google? Go and search yourself.

 

[Jiro]

Don´t you know that there´re plenty of websites open in google? Go and search yourself.

don't you know that plenty of websites are false? misleading? I like facts & proof, not accusations/allegations/rumors/conspiracy theories. If you can show me any COURT DOCUMENT/TESTIMONY/CONFESSION that Bush attacked Iraq for oil... that would be great!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why just you? Because you are the one posting here who complains about her boss. They aren't. Also, Americans have the right to vote out the leaders with whom they disagree. Also, paying taxes is required by law. Working "for the man" is not.

No, I am not the one who view Bush´s situation. It´s not just here but there in MANY threads - A lot of Aders complaint about Bush... Why can´t I share my support to them and also mine as well then? You pick on me that´s because I am not an American. It show itself is your feeble excuse.

Paying taxes to the government is not the same as accepting money from the government.

Oh yes, they accept the money from government is SSI, SSDA, medicard, etc. thru taxpayers..



I repeat my response post to your post stay remain.

Trying to deflect my question so you don't have to give an honest answer won't work.


Some ADers have posted that. They posted, "if America is so wrong, you can leave." But how does that excuse what you do?


See above.

Your feeble excuse to twist is not working... See above...

Do they have proof who caused the injuries, when they caused, under what circumstances were they caused, and where they were caused? No.

I use common sense to see their scars on TV and also pictures, video... that´s why I kept quiet during GITMO debate threads since 2004 because I do not want to accuse anything until I saw the proof... and beleive in them because they repeated the same for YEARS since 9/11.

I'm very sorry about your awful experience but what does that have to do with the detainees? Do you compare yourself to war-time terrorists detainees? I wouldn't make that comparison.

The only relevancy I can see is that your situation shows that it is hard to make a case on the basis of scars. A scar by itself, without other forensic corroboration or testimony is not enough to prove a case.

I shared the example about my scars - the court beleive "witness" more than my scar, doctor´s and work council´s statement because they were not witnesses. That witness, my former boss got was NEVER exist where my former boss & I were alone in my office with door shut. The former boss denied that he attacked me to get a paper with the help from "witness"´s statement and never know about the paper... Secondly, the paper, I want to forward chain of command disappeared because my former boss had it... (Of course he throw the paper away). They moved me to other Division after I lost at court case, that same Division I still work since... 6 months later after that he was fired for fraud... that´s why I use my good common sense when I see scars... I know what form of cigarettes burnt, dog bites, etc...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

don't you know that plenty of websites are false? misleading? I like facts & proof, not accusations/allegations/rumors/conspiracy theories. If you can show me any COURT DOCUMENT/TESTIMONY/CONFESSION that Bush attacked Iraq for oil... that would be great!

Of course there´re plenty of facts in google to compare with TV interviews, etc... Use your common sense..... I would not post if I see negative and false websites..

 

[Jiro]

No, I am not the one who view Bush´s situation. It´s not just here but there in MANY threads - A lot of Aders complaint about Bush... Why can´t I share my support to them and also mine as well then? You pick on me that´s because I am not an American. It show itself is your feeble excuse.

why you cannot understand that you work for Bush Administration and you get paid by Bush Administration? By doing so - you cannot express your view because it makes you a hypocrite and ignorant. We don't work for him. We don't get paid by him.

Do you understand the difference? Yes or No?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you have proof that anyone was tortured "for years" by Americans at GITMO?

Since after 9/11.

Go and search yourself.

 

[Jiro]

Of course there´re plenty of facts in google to compare with TV interviews, etc... Use your common sense..... I would not post if I see negative and false websites..

what negative and false websites? you mean the truth? Are you saying you rather not post the truth that is opposite of your "common sense"??? :-o

I'm asking you to give me the link to COURT DOCUMENT/TESTIMONY/TRIAL/ETC. because it's the real proof - just like Nuremberg Trial.

 

[Jiro]

Since after 9/11.

Go and search yourself.

we did and we found nothing concrete because the links you provided us are not authenticated or verified or substantiated. It's better if you show us the proof from International Criminal Court or War Tribunal Court of such. if you can do that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

wow..... I don't know where to begin... First of all - Our tax money does not go into Bush's pocket. we American citizens pay tax for many things - civil service, emergency service, Coast Guard, education, road, etc. If we don't like Bush - we stage protests and that's what we did. and you? You woke up every morning, feeling happy and you went to work for US Military no problem at all while so-called torture (as you claimed) is going on. That's precisely what secretary of Nazi regime did. You know what's it called? Hypocrisy and Ignorance. That's you.

Here's one thing you don't understand clearly enough. I do not work for Bush Administration. I do not get paid by Bush Administration. YOU DID. The BLOOD is on your hand! My conscience is clean. Yours is not.

Your post is the best proof is very closed mind and ignorant...

and your point is.......? How about this - detainees have scars from fighting with other detainees or biting themselves or hurt themselves.

Again see above...No, the detainees did not fought with other detainees... They tight together like family... At first I thought the same as you until I open my mind and collect alot of things from GITMO situation... They do not fight each other but tight together... Bush Admin. authorized his people to torture them.

I'm very sorry to hear that and no I would not call you a liar but I wouldn't completely believe you. I only see evidence. it's how it works in real world. It's called "he-said, she-said." Now you understand why you must be careful with what you say? You need proof to back it up and you had none. (**hint - I'm not talking about your incident)

Your post make no sense... If you said that you don´t beleive me which mean that I am liar... :roll:

Huh? I don´t think you understand what I tried to say...

I tried to say that the court beleive "withness" more than my scar, doctor´s and work council´s statement. That "withness" was never in the office on that day where my former boss & I was alone in my office to get the paper away from me to prevent me to foward it to Chain of Command...

 

[Jiro]

Ignoring your post above. Why should I listen to a hypocrite? Sorry but not a single person in here has challenged my view. I have had several ADers pm'ing me because they were very confused about your posts especially when you work for Bush Administration and get paid by Bush Administration.

I have a simple solution for you - quit your job and work for German military or UN. We would listen to you better.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

we did and we found nothing concrete because the links you provided us are not authenticated or verified or substantiated. It's better if you show us the proof from International Criminal Court or War Tribunal Court of such. if you can do that.

I posted PLENTY of links but you choose to overlook it...



I can see from your posts that you are very closed minded and ignorant... but many Americans see the same view as me as well. You don´t bother to read the last link, I posted few hours ago.

t r u t h o u t | To Support and Defend: A Message to US Senators and Representatives

Use your common sense...

 

[Jiro]

I posted PLENTY of links but you choose to overlook it...

I can see from your posts that you are very closed minded and ignorant... but many Americans see the same view as me as well. You don´t bother to read the last link, I posted few hours ago.

t r u t h o u t | To Support and Defend: A Message to US Senators and Representatives

Use your common sense...

Please re-read my previous post.

It's better if you show us the proof from International Criminal Court or War Tribunal Court of such. if you can do that.

Can you show me proof from COURT OF LAW? Supreme Court? Your court? anything???

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ignoring your post above. Why should I listen to a hypocrite? Sorry but not a single person in here has challenged my view. I have had several ADers pm'ing me because they were very confused about your posts especially when you work for Bush Administration and get paid by Bush Administration.

I have a simple solution for you - quit your job and work for German military or UN. We would listen to you better.

I have several PM as well...

Anyway, I would say that your comment is very stupid, immaturity and ignorant... We CAN say openly why we view and feel about our bosses like every employees/co-workers to their bosses.

 

[Jiro]

I have several PM as well...

Anyway, I would say that your comment is very stupid, immaturity and ignorant... We CAN say openly why we view and feel about our bosses like every employees/co-workers to their bosses.

and I say same for your comments. It's rude and hasty to make any judgment before ANY real proof from court was published. Yes i can say openly about my POV about my boss but you know what I do? If I feel so strongly like you, I simply quit. End of discussion. But you..... worked for Bush Administration for 8 years.... :roll:

This debate with you is over and you clearly lost. It's very sad that you can't even see your own hypocrisy. I see no reason to continue this debate with a hypocrite.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

and what consequence is that? Resigning is not really facing the consequence. Facing the consequence means going to trial. Do not invent the English term the way you want but I'm sure you misspoke.

wow, consequence mean is going to trial? Go and look definite youself... wow...Dont´you know the word consequence have many meanings?

and same for you. I wait for truth and facts to come out and that's going to take a long time.

If you want the truth then search the positive websites youself. It´s bad that you refuse to accept the fact that I know more from news than you.