The world's second-ever octuplets were born

*smh*

There goes....'family values'.
 
jillio said:
Yeppers. Has stated that she won't be there when the mother comes home from the hospital.
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That's kinda sad too..she is gonna need all the family support. I dont condone what she has done but I dont believe in deserting family in need.
 
shel90 said:
That's kinda sad too..she is gonna need all the family support. I dont condone what she has done but I dont believe in deserting family in need.
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I agree. The situation all the way around is tragic. By the same token, the duaghter obviously failed to take into account the effect this would have on the rest of her family. Since she was already living with her parents with her other 6 children, it most certainly is something she should have taken into account. Sometimes, it reaches a point where a parent just has to say, "I love you, but I cannot deal with your behavior because it it preventing me from even being able to take care of myself."
 
I agreed with Lucia and others that I think a person should give their babies to couples and one of her babies is to be kept may be good option, I think.

I can't imagine that I handle with many babies at the same time. :shock:

One to two kids that is good enough for me. Annnddddd... adoption & foster system need to conflicts resovled and fixed.
 
Reba said:
I have a feeling that the mom expects someone else to pick up the tab on all her family's expenses.
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Yeah. I wouldn't want to depend on someone else to pay for all the expenses of my own children, even if it is just one baby. That woman is being irresponsible.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
This is not fair to other families who want to have a child but cannot have any for medical reasons, and this woman already had 6, and then received fertility drugs to have more. I think it is also unethical as well! Shame on her. I bet many women who want a baby but are unable to conceive or carry a baby are very angry about this. Plus, 14 kids is too fucking many!
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shel90 said:
It is her choice to choose whether to abort the fetus or not but I think it was very irresponsible and reckless of her to make that choice to carry all of them...but she doesnt have to adopt my opinions nor beliefs. I just wouldnt get pregnant in the first place if I wasnt able to support my existing children and myself.
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I quoted you both because I agree with you.

I am appalled at this situation because this pregnany or birth should have never happened.

I am one such woman who is is angry and think it's selfish of the woman and/or doctor to allow this to have happened. I was born with life long medical complications due to a birth defect and I cannot carry a baby to term. I will never have children as a result. How dare anyone call this a miracle when it is not. I'm certain not many people realize exactly what the medical complications are when a woman gives birth to several children at once. The birth is always premature. The babies are always born medically fragile. They *may* do well, but not always. Most likely, the children will be placed on breathing machines for several months because their lungs aren't mature enough to work on their own. The children usually cannot feed on their own because their intestinal tracts aren't mature enough to handle feedings. These children are born susceptible to infections. I can go on and on... Most often, alot of these babies die. If the babies survive, there's a high predicability of cerebral palsy.

I'm upset and I'm angry that taxpayers are paying for this horse and pony show. Often when a multiple pregnancy is discovered, the woman is ofered selective reduction of the pregnancy, in my opinion woman are selfish for deciding to carry higher order multiple births. Very selfish indeed!
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Secretblend jumped on me because I said I would give up the babies for adoption if I had 8 babies all at once, since I do not think I can take care of that many babies all at once. Secretblend acted like it was the worst sin ever. Look:







Geez. Is Adoption such a bad thing? I wasn't even talking abortion at that point! I was just being realistic in my abilities to care for that many babies at once, and now he's ashamed that I am considered part of the human race and is now condemning me? :roll: Then he is also condemning many teenager mothers who realize they cannot care for a single baby, and makes a wise decision to place the baby with an adoptive family. :roll:
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No, it's not a bad thing. The only issue I have with this is this. Many times, kids with medical complications aren't adoptable. But, your point is well taken nonetheless. I think it's selfish of a woman to do what this woman did. She had six kids already. Having eight more is mind boggling to say the least!
 
Secretblend said:
I cannot believe you are even suggesting that! Would you give up your babies just cause you got alot of them?
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My grandmother gave my father (he was 2) up for adoption when she could not feed her 10 children without a husband. And my brother in law and sister in law adopted a baby boy because his parents can not afford to have another child even they already have 4 children. They could have abort this child but did not and decided to give him up for adoption. Yet you judge his real parents. I am thankful for his real parents to give him up to have a better life with my brother in law and sister in law.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I quoted you both because I agree with you.

I am appalled at this situation because this pregnany or birth should have never happened.

I am one such woman who is is angry and think it's selfish of the woman and/or doctor to allow this to have happened. I was born with life long medical complications due to a birth defect and I cannot carry a baby to term. I will never have children as a result. How dare anyone call this a miracle when it is not. I'm certain not many people realize exactly what the medical complications are when a woman gives birth to several children at once. The birth is always premature. The babies are always born medically fragile. They *may* do well, but not always. Most likely, the children will be placed on breathing machines for several months because their lungs aren't mature enough to work on their own. The children usually cannot feed on their own because their intestinal tracts aren't mature enough to handle feedings. These children are born susceptible to infections. I can go on and on... Most often, alot of these babies die. If the babies survive, there's a high predicability of cerebral palsy.

I'm upset and I'm angry that taxpayers are paying for this horse and pony show. Often when a multiple pregnancy is discovered, the woman is ofered selective reduction of the pregnancy, in my opinion woman are selfish for deciding to carry higher order multiple births. Very selfish indeed!
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Thank you, Oceanbreeze!

And, Oceanbreeze, am I wrong in wanting to give up most or all of my babies for adoption and arrange to place them with adoptive families as soon as the babies are big enough and healthy enough to leave the hospital (if the babies survives) if I ended up with 8 babies all at the same time? I thought it would be the responsible thing to do if I cannot take care of that many babies to start with. I sure as hell would lose my sanity trying to take care of 8 babies at once! And I know I would not be able to handle their medical bills for the rest of their lives if they end up with serious complications!
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Yeah. I wouldn't want to depend on someone else to pay for all the expenses of my own children, even if it is just one baby. That woman is being irresponsible.
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I actually think this woman is mentally ill. That's just my opinion, but something is telling me that this woman's elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor like it should!
 
Reba said:
Or maybe do like the Dionne Quintuplets?

"...In order to protect the quintuplets from exploitation the Ontario government took the girls away from their parents, Elzire and Oliva Dionne and their five older siblings. Despite their continuing good health, they were moved to a hospital, which was built across the road from their family home. The hospital, built exclusively for their use, was intended to protect their privacy but it quickly became a tourist destination...."
The Dionne Quintuplets: The Worlds First Known Surviving Quintuplets
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Oh, I happen to live in the province of Ontario. They were born quite north of Ontario. I believe outside of North Bay. I live in the southern section of Ontario. It's one of the most famous stories in Ontario.

It's terrible how the government exploited them like that.
 
Banjo said:
Good Lord.

Clearly, something is wrong with this woman. I don't have a problem with families having many children... as long they aren't on welfare and can afford it.

This woman went broke and abandoned her house, she already had 6 children who are all young to start with. Now, she's living with her parents. I feel sorry for the grandparents.

The doctor would have to be a real quack to transfer that many embryos into her body all at once. Considering the situation, it is clear she will be unable to take care of all of the children especially when the father isn't around.

It's likely the children will be taken away sometimes soon and placed in foster homes and hopefully be placed into good homes. The only problem is, it's more than likely that they will all be apart from each other for years to come once that happens. Not much you can do about that.
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I agree with you completely! The only thing I think needs clarified is this. When a woman is infertile and goes for treatment, doctors will implant several embryos into the uterus. Most of the time, not every embryo "takes" and is fertilized. In fact, in alot of cases it takes several treatments for the woman to even get pregnant with a single baby; nevermind eight!

The problem is that procedures to treat infertility are getting better, so multiple births are happening. In this case, it's mind boggling how this was allowed to happen. I question now wether this woman needed those infertility drugs to get pregnant. Did she?

What a nightmare! :eek3:
 
Banjo said:
Oh, I happen to live in the province of Ontario. They were born quite north of Ontario. I believe outside of North Bay. I live in the southern section of Ontario. It's one of the most famous stories in Ontario.

It's terrible how the government exploited them like that.
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It's hard to imagine that happening nowadays. Although private enterprises don't mind exploiting people for commercial gain now. I'm sure if the octuplet mom had a, um, cleaner story, all kinds of companies would want to "help" her in exchange for commercial endorsements. As more comes out about her background, the plug might be pulled on that plan.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Thank you, Oceanbreeze!

And, Oceanbreeze, am I wrong in wanting to give up most or all of my babies for adoption and arrange to place them with adoptive families as soon as the babies are big enough and healthy enough to leave the hospital (if the babies survives) if I ended up with 8 babies all at the same time? I thought it would be the responsible thing to do if I cannot take care of that many babies to start with. I sure as hell would lose my sanity trying to take care of 8 babies at once! And I know I would not be able to handle their medical bills for the rest of their lives if they end up with serious complications!
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No, you're not. The only thing "wrong" about placing a special needs child (or children in this case) for adoption is the likelihood they would not be adopted and would live out their childhood in the foster care system. This is why this story appalls me so so so much. This woman could not care for these additional eight children, so the state is paying for them. This is in California where, apparently, the state paid for this woman's fertility treatments. I honestly didn't think any state would allow this, but California does.

I just spoke to my Mother about this and she is appalled as well. She thinks that alot of heads are going to roll and someone will have to answer to this somewhere down the line.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
I agreed with Lucia and others that I think a person should give their babies to couples and one of her babies is to be kept may be good option, I think.

I can't imagine that I handle with many babies at the same time. :shock:

One to two kids that is good enough for me. Annnddddd... adoption & foster system need to conflicts resovled and fixed.
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It's not that simple. Very few special needs children are adopted. Do you think a family is really going to care for 8 children at once? Many will not. In many cases, siblings are split from their brothers and sisters and they are placed in separate foster homes. I don't know if that is still common practice, but it used to be. I really don't know of any family who willingly take in 8 kids. It's too much; especially if any or all of those kids have special needs!
 
Reba said:
It's hard to imagine that happening nowadays. Although private enterprises don't mind exploiting people for commercial gain now. I'm sure if the octuplet mom had a, um, cleaner story, all kinds of companies would want to "help" her in exchange for commercial endorsements. As more comes out about her background, the plug might be pulled on that plan.
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Same here, our government nowadays would never pull such a stunt like that.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I agree with you completely! The only thing I think needs clarified is this. When a woman is infertile and goes for treatment, doctors will implant several embryos into the uterus. Most of the time, not every embryo "takes" and is fertilized. In fact, in alot of cases it takes several treatments for the woman to even get pregnant with a single baby; nevermind eight!

The problem is that procedures to treat infertility are getting better, so multiple births are happening. In this case, it's mind boggling how this was allowed to happen. I question now wether this woman needed those infertility drugs to get pregnant. Did she?

What a nightmare! :eek3:
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But standards of practice also say no more than 4 embryos are to be implanted at a time.
 
jillio said:
But standards of practice also say no more than 4 embryos are to be implanted at a time.
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Is that current? There have been incidences multiple births of quints, sextuplets, and even septuplets that resulted from fertility treatments.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9711/20/septuplets.folo/index.html

The mother is a former seamstress who had taken the fertility drug Pergonal. The 27-year-old father is a billing clerk at a car dealer in the rural community of Carlisle. The couple already had one daughter, Mikayla, age 2. This birth took place in 1997.


Dilley Sextuplets, born in 1990.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3918599&page=1

Becki, who finally became pregnant with the help of fertility drugs, was expected to have five babies and a dangerous pregnancy.


I can google more, but the point is.. I hope standards of care have changed. Back in the 90s, they would implant a higher number of embryos and the result was these multiple births we heard about. I really hope Dr's have adopted stricter standards because these births puts a strain on alot of people; most of which is the health of the Mother and the children involved.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Is that current? There have been incidences multiple births of quints, sextuplets, and even septuplets that resulted from fertility treatments.

CNN - Doctor optimistic about Iowa septuplets' progress - Nov. 20, 1997

The mother is a former seamstress who had taken the fertility drug Pergonal. The 27-year-old father is a billing clerk at a car dealer in the rural community of Carlisle. The couple already had one daughter, Mikayla, age 2. This birth took place in 1997.


Dilley Sextuplets, born in 1990.

ABC News: America's First Surviving Sextuplets Become Teenagers

Becki, who finally became pregnant with the help of fertility drugs, was expected to have five babies and a dangerous pregnancy.


I can google more, but the point is.. I hope standards of care have changed. Back in the 90s, they would implant a higher number of embryos and the result was these multiple births we heard about. I really hope Dr's have adopted stricter standards because these births puts a strain on alot of people; most of which is the health of the Mother and the children involved.
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Well, you are talking about ovulation inducing drugs and not IV fertilization, which requires the implanting of embryos. When one takes a drug such as Pergonal, there is always the risk that the drug will cause more than one egg to be released upon ovulation. Fertilization occurs naturally, through intercourse. But now, with the advances insonography, they can detect when too many eggs are being released and advise the woman not to have intercourse until the next cycle of ovulation.

However, these octuplets were conceived using in vitro, which means that implantation of more than 4 embryos was completely under the control of the physician. He acted outside accepted standards of practice, and in effect, could easily be found guilty of not just not using due care, but of violating the ethical principles of nonmalificence and beneficence.
 
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