H.P.V. Shots for young girls.

[Babyblue]

Fictional site?

Factual site

U S Food and Drug Administration Home Page

 

[jillio]

Thanks, Babyblue. I didn't bother to provide a link, as the FDA website is so easy to access a link is almost redundant.

 

[Babyblue]

Thanks, Babyblue. I didn't bother to provide a link, as the FDA website is so easy to access a link is almost redundant.

Your welcome.

I felt it was necessary to provide link. As easy it is to access some don't take the time. Don't want to see any more misinformed AD'ers .

 

[lsfoster]

Verbiosity does not a discussion win. You are beginning to go in circles. Doesn't do much for credibility.

Actually, there wasn't a circle in there. Not having anything to say in reply and avoiding all the points I made doesn't do much for credibility either.

 

[jillio]

Actually, there wasn't a circle in there. Not having anything to say in reply and avoiding all the points I made doesn't do much for credibility either.

Sweetie, I am not avoiding anything except wasted energy in replying to you.

 

[Maria]

That's ridiculous.

Ridiculous ? How do you know ?

 

[Maria]

Maria.

You obviously have no clue what is being discussed here.

Yes, I have. I read them since the first post.

So best to educated yourself before spewing out nonsense.

I am educated enough to know what's goin' on. I've saved a link about ALL vaccines in my bookmark. I have it in my bookmark for a very long time. You have no clue how much I've educated myself.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Ridiculous ? How do you know ?

I did my homework. Gardisil is a vaccine made from a dead virus. It's mechanism is to prevent cancer. A girl isn't going to be sterilized by the vaccine itself. She could be severely affected by HPV or a cancer in adulthood. Like someone suggested above, you really need to educate yourself about Human Papilloma Virus and Gardisil before you post. You really know very little about both.

 

[dreama]

so i guess this means we should avoid all medications because of the *possibility* that they may be unsafe?

Well, that's what I do. Except for thyroxine which I've been taking since I was 18 months old.

But I avoid taking anything else.

I still have up's and downs but I haven't been suicidal for years. Apart from the first time when I was about 12 all my suicidal attempts have been while I was medicated. Then several years ago I decided to avoid all unneccessary medicine as far as I could and I've been ok.

 

[Maria]

I did my homework. Gardisil is a vaccine made from a dead virus. It's mechanism is to prevent cancer. A girl isn't going to be sterilized by the vaccine itself. She could be severely affected by HPV or a cancer in adulthood. Like someone suggested above, you really need to educate yourself about Human Papilloma Virus and Gardisil before you post. You really know very little about both.

HPV vaccine might cause infertility

Posted: Mar 11th 2007 10:42AM by Vicki Blankenship
Filed under: General Health, Health and Technology, Health in the Media, Healthy Kids

Merck has stopped promoting the mandatory use of Gardasil that targets the human papillomavirus (HPV). It's probably no coincidence that their turn-around comes at the same time that reports from the National Vaccine Information Center are surfacing about fainting and dizziness reported by dozens of patients as side effects of Gardasil. There are also some concerns that Gardasil may cause infertility.

An early version of the Virginia house bill contained a clause addressing liability issues "if a female who is inoculated with the HPV vaccine becomes incapable of naturally conceiving a healthy child carried to live birth or experiences impaired fertility as a result of the HPV vaccine".

Legislators got that idea because the vaccine contains Polysorbate 80, which is linked to infertility in mice. The Merck HPV vaccine also contains sodium borate which is a common roach killer in each of its three doses. The National Library of Medicine (NLM) of the National Institutes of Health notes of sodium borate that it "is now known to be a dangerous poison, it is no longer commonly used in medical preparations." That was published in 2005. Yet the FDA in 2006 approved the Merck vaccine with this "dangerous poison" to be "commonly used" in these vaccinations. The symptoms of sodium borate poisoning according to the NLM citation include many of the side effects being reported after less than six months of the vaccine usage. These include convulsions, collapse, and seizures that include twitching of facial muscles, arms, hands, legs, and feet.

How many of these young women taking this vaccine will find out that they are barren 10 to 15 years down the road and what will their options be if they are forced to take this drug because of legislation mandates?

http://www.thatsfit.com/2007/03/11/hpv-vaccine-might-cause-infertility/

I highly doubt that Gardasil will prevent cervical cancer.

 

[Babyblue]

Maria

That is not proof. That is like taking my post and posting it in another forum or thread to use as proof.

Yet again another unreliable source.

 

[Maria]

Maria

That is not proof. That is like taking my post and posting it in another forum or thread to use as proof.

Yet again another unreliable source.

If, you want to let them to experiment on your daughter with HPV, then you are on your own risk. Good luck!

I have no further to discuss on this matter.

 

[Hear Again]

Well, that's what I do. Except for thyroxine which I've been taking since I was 18 months old.

But I avoid taking anything else.

I still have up's and downs but I haven't been suicidal for years. Apart from the first time when I was about 12 all my suicidal attempts have been while I was medicated. Then several years ago I decided to avoid all unneccessary medicine as far as I could and I've been ok.

i'm glad you're doing well off of meds, but for some of us (like myself), we can't.

for example, if i don't take meds for my bipolar, i have a high risk of dying from suicide, drugs and/or alcohol. suicide is high among people with bipolar who are unmedicated.

if you have "normal" ups and downs, then you may not need to take medication, but if your moods are more severe (or you have bipolar), medication is a necessity.

i need to take a migraine med for my headaches. if i don't, my migraines last for up to a week -- sometimes longer. i can't imagine living in such agony with that kind of pain just because i choose not to take medication.

i also take an allergy med for my year round allergies. if i don't take it on a daily basis, i would be miserable and i don't feel like sneezing every other second of the day because of everything i come into contact with.

i respect the choices of people who prefer to avoid medicine at all costs, but some of us don't have that luxury.

by the way, if someone is taking an antidepressant that causes suicidal thoughts, it's time for them to contact their doctor immediately and switch to a different med.

 

[lsfoster]

I did my homework. Gardisil is a vaccine made from a dead virus. It's mechanism is to prevent cancer. A girl isn't going to be sterilized by the vaccine itself. She could be severely affected by HPV or a cancer in adulthood. Like someone suggested above, you really need to educate yourself about Human Papilloma Virus and Gardisil before you post. You really know very little about both.

I'm not trying to argue for Maria, but if you're going to tell others to educate themselves, you might want to do the same. Gardasil is not at all made from a dead virus.

This is why I think it's important for people to have access to more information than just what is distributed by Merck and the FDA, so that they have all the information they would need to form educated conclusions.

 

[Aleser]

If, you want to let them to experiment on your daughter with HPV, then you are on your own risk. Good luck!

I have no further to discuss on this matter.

Uh. First, you're not giving them HPV. You're giving them the vaccination.

Second, there is no proof the vaccination is linked to infertility- including in rat reproductive studies which showed no effects whatsoever. Just because it prevents a virus that happens to occur in the same region, doesn't mean it's dangerous to reproduction just by vague association.

Third, fluoride can cause anything from low blood sugar to cardiac arrest in high enough amounts- that probably doesn't stop you from letting your daughter use toothpaste or even drink water, does it? Gardasil may contain sodium borate, but a mere -35 mcg-. To put that into perspective (from a simple search), in mice, a 'moderately toxic' dose was 2.66 g/kg- or, for a 140 pound human, 167,000,000mcg. Again, the amount in gardasil is 35mcg- 166,999,965 mcg less.

Forth, fainting is common after just about any vaccine, especially ones that go in to muscles. Both the pain and the very common needle phobia might have something to with that!

Fifth, we already know that gardasil does help prevent (although, like all vaccines, not to 100%) the diseases, including genital warts and cervical cancer, related to the HPV it prevents against.

Yes, I absolutely am not for getting gardasil right now- and I probably wont be for it for a few more years. For, well, reasonable reasons.

That said, please, try to snap on a little head of reason and think about what you read- just because it sounds scientific and uses big words, doesn't mean it's -right-. Words can always be twisted around, statistics can always be warped and exaggerated to win a particular side. You're not talking about cold hard research, it's just something someone wrote online, which is NOT something you can use to defend yourself in a debate. Nor is "I said what I said and don't care to know if I'm incorrect, you're wrong, bye."

 

[Cheri]

I'm not trying to argue for Maria, but if you're going to tell others to educate themselves, you might want to do the same.

Babyblue-- You do what you want to do because you're the mother nobody else can tell you what you shouldn't or should do, I don't have a daughter, but if I did, she would have get her HPV vaccine because genital HPV is a common virus. I prefer my daughter to be protected from that illness than being sorry later. That's just me.

Some people who refuse to vaccinate their kids used to placed their judgment on me because my sons had their vaccines. The only reason I allow vaccines for my sons because they protect them against illnesses that they may not have the ability to fight it off themselves.

 

[Babyblue]

I'm not trying to argue for Maria, but if you're going to tell others to educate themselves, you might want to do the same. Gardasil is not at all made from a dead virus.

This is why I think it's important for people to have access to more information than just what is distributed by Merck and the FDA, so that they have all the information they would need to form educated conclusions.

VIS Human papillomavirus vaccineHPV vaccine. is an inactivated (not live) vaccine. which protects against 4 major types of HPV. ... the vaccine does. not protect against all HPV types that ... www.immunize.org



Keeping educating. Read on my friends

 

[jillio]

VIS Human papillomavirus vaccineHPV vaccine. is an inactivated (not live) vaccine. which protects against 4 major types of HPV. ... the vaccine does. not protect against all HPV types that ... Immunization Action Coalition



Keeping educating. Read on my friends

Excellent link, Babyblue. I will be printing the HPV brochure to add to the informational brocures we keep at the domestic violence shelter.

 

[lsfoster]

VIS Human papillomavirus vaccineHPV vaccine. is an inactivated (not live) vaccine. which protects against 4 major types of HPV. ... the vaccine does. not protect against all HPV types that ... Immunization Action Coalition



Keeping educating. Read on my friends

But that's not what Gardasil is. It's a VLP. GARDASIL , SPC from the eMC

Again, this is exactly why I worry about where people get their information, and how easy it is to just be force-fed something and not even question it. Those pdf's and fliers scare me, because they can put whatever they want on them. Look, if you want to take the vaccine, that's up to you. I just worry about people making decisions without accurate information.

Right now, I don't think there has been enough time to study the actual long-term effects of the drug, and I think that the reasoning they are using might be dangerous since they are focusing on statistical correlations, not the actual pathology or mechanism any more. As I said before, go back and read the actual literature on it. Is HPV maybe involved in leading to precancerous conditions? Sure. But is it enough to say, "It's there a lot, therefore it's the cause"? I would feel better if instead of simply jumping to conclusions and trying to get a drug on the market as quickly as possible (and even trying to make it mandatory before they've adequately studied it!), they spent more time looking into what that mechanism might entail, other factors, an actual pathological process, and many other things. They're luring people in with a false sense of security, which is taking the emphasis off of further studies and testing.

But as always, if you think you are fully educated on the subject, there's not much I can say that will change your mind.

 

[jillio]

But that's not what Gardasil is. It's a VLP. GARDASIL , SPC from the eMC

Again, this is exactly why I worry about where people get their information, and how easy it is to just be force-fed something and not even question it. Those pdf's and fliers scare me, because they can put whatever they want on them. Look, if you want to take the vaccine, that's up to you. I just worry about people making decisions without accurate information.

Right now, I don't think there has been enough time to study the actual long-term effects of the drug, and I think that the reasoning they are using might be dangerous since they are focusing on statistical correlations, not the actual pathology or mechanism any more. As I said before, go back and read the actual literature on it. Is HPV maybe involved in leading to precancerous conditions? Sure. But is it enough to say, "It's there a lot, therefore it's the cause"? I would feel better if instead of simply jumping to conclusions and trying to get a drug on the market as quickly as possible (and even trying to make it mandatory before they've adequately studied it!), they spent more time looking into what that mechanism might entail, other factors, an actual pathological process, and many other things. They're luring people in with a false sense of security, which is taking the emphasis off of further studies and testing.

But as always, if you think you are fully educated on the subject, there's not much I can say that will change your mind.

Uh, no they can't.