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Unread 09-29-2008, 10:28 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Finally after research google. I found and I enable CC on charter remote menu button. Now HDMI has closed captioned with HD!!

However some channel which does not have HD the CC got so big letters and over the size of tv screen. I had to resize smaller inorder to see CC full. CC works great when have HD. HDNBC, HDCBS, HBOHD. ABC does not have HD available in charter.

Anyone can tell me is Direct TV better than Charter for HDMI with CC? ABC with HD available in Direct TV?

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Sorry, but no. You didn't enable the CC signal to go through the HDMI cable. What you did was enable the TV receiver to decode the signal internally, then overlay the CC onto the video and send it through the HDMI cable as an image. Your HDTV is still not receiving the CC signal.

HDMI cables cannot carry the CC signal at all.
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Unread 09-29-2008, 01:44 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Sorry, but no. You didn't enable the CC signal to go through the HDMI cable. What you did was enable the TV receiver to decode the signal internally, then overlay the CC onto the video and send it through the HDMI cable as an image. Your HDTV is still not receiving the CC signal.

HDMI cables cannot carry the CC signal at all.
Banjo, you are right! You and I know about newest technology about closed-captioning. There is no closed-captioning through HDMI video, period.
P.S.: I have HDTV with DVD upscaling have HDMI output, and it don't have closed captioning. Best bet that I recommend you, if you want
to choose movies that have English SDH (subtitles for the deaf and hard-of-hearing instead CC, you can choose by movie are produced and distributed, here list for Hollywood studios:
Warner Bros (since July 2007) - not bad SDH but sometimes there would be no lyrics during singing or title song.
Universal Studios - Best SDH around this DVD!
Walt Disney (it still be closed captioned as long as well they don't have logo for CC, just only SDH since 2005 on rear artwork of those DVD.)
Weinstein Company

Recently, I saw on those newer DVD releases from Anchor Bay was just begun stating SDH, but I haven't watching so I couldn't test it until I have
watching it, I will review about Anchor Bay for all people who read my post.
Oh, by the way, I watched other movie from First Look Entertainment
have very good SDH just like Universal Studios did that, but this is bit
smaller font.
I have bad news for whose are loving in near-HD about New Line Cinema is still closed-captioned as mistakenly label "SDH" that I seen "Fat Boy Run", but no SDH on this movie and bonus materials,
but only English and Spanish subtitles. Please note: this movie
with one extra have without closed-captioning but subtitled in English and Spanish is: Thandie's Goof
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Sorry, but no. You didn't enable the CC signal to go through the HDMI cable. What you did was enable the TV receiver to decode the signal internally, then overlay the CC onto the video and send it through the HDMI cable as an image. Your HDTV is still not receiving the CC signal.

HDMI cables cannot carry the CC signal at all.
I do not understand what you talking about because I can see perfect CC on any HD channels on my HDTV screen. All I did was enable CC on Charter decoder box through charter remote menu and I am using HDMI cable from charter decoder box to my HDTV screen.
For your information for any other channels that does not carry HD CC is working but the CC size is to big font than when that use HD Channels. So I had to resize my HDTV screen to smaller in order to have CC smaller size that for when the channels does not have HD. Any other that has HD channels has perfect CC and perfect size of font which I do not need to resize on my HDTV screen.
Charter decoder box has CC option all you have to enable CC on the charter decoder box. HDMI cable is working great with CC!
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Unread 10-01-2008, 08:21 PM   #34 (permalink)
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camijerosa, the captioning you see on HDTV through HDMI is NOT true captioning at all. It's actually an image of captions burned ON video to make it look like it's captioning but it's not. If you record that video using HDMI and you forgot to turn on CC, you won't be able to see CC at all since the CC signal cannot be transmitted through HDMI at all. Suppose a hearing friend records a show for you and he didn't have CC on and you playback that show, it will NEVER show CC even IF you turned CC on!

Captioning was totally overlooked when HDMI was being designed. And still is.
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Unread 10-02-2008, 08:28 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Thank you for clarify about HDMI. Well I do not record TV program. But I do understand some people do. I hope FCC will force HDMI Company to improve HDMI cable to able transmitted CC through HDMI for record TV program with CC and playback with CC.
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Unread 10-02-2008, 09:33 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Illustrator: Blog-alloon That’s how the current HDMI works with HDTV

the figure should help clear up with you why there is no CC go through HDMI to HDTV
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I have Dish Network HDTV ViP222 and Element 15" 1080i. I am aware of the digital caption being turned on from the receiver. I noticed not all channels has captions. For instance, foxnews doesn't have cc while CNN has cc. A&E doesn't while HBO2 does. I thought about switching the receiver to SDTV instead of HDTV so I can watch all of those cc. There isn't much HDTV channels anyway. Does anyone know a way to resolve this?
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I have Dish Network HDTV ViP222 and Element 15" 1080i. I am aware of the digital caption being turned on from the receiver. I noticed not all channels has captions. For instance, foxnews doesn't have cc while CNN has cc. A&E doesn't while HBO2 does. I thought about switching the receiver to SDTV instead of HDTV so I can watch all of those cc. There isn't much HDTV channels anyway. Does anyone know a way to resolve this?
Just call and explain which channel not having CC so they could look into it and fix it asap.

Be sure to explain to them that you are using a HDTV reciever not a SD so they don't try to blame your TV for not having CC display and that it on THEIR END that the CC isn't being displayed.


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it sounds like most people here have a cable connection of some sort. i only have the tv that have the digital tuner built in, and the cc sucks, it goes in and out, sometimes its there sometimes its not...is there anything i can do to make it stay on? its like i get half the show thats cc and then the other have isn't...
and i recently found a dvd that doesn't have subtitles and the cc on the tv wont work (i normally have the tv cc the movies i watch, i prefer it to the dvds cc), but even with this dvd i couldn't find a place where it would enable cc?
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it sounds like most people here have a cable connection of some sort. i only have the tv that have the digital tuner built in, and the cc sucks, it goes in and out, sometimes its there sometimes its not...is there anything i can do to make it stay on? its like i get half the show thats cc and then the other have isn't...
and i recently found a dvd that doesn't have subtitles and the cc on the tv wont work (i normally have the tv cc the movies i watch, i prefer it to the dvds cc), but even with this dvd i couldn't find a place where it would enable cc?
Digital tuners can be over air antenna or via cable so which one are you using to recieve TV? Over the Air or Cable? If Over air maybe your signal is weak on CC and it missing some bytes to complete the CC over air or your TV station is poorly setting up CC on shows.

Most cable station only improve the CC on thier own cable boxes or tuner boxes because they know their on protocls on CC when sending it to their tuner box and to decode them before sending it to HDTV overlay on video itself via Component or HDMI cable.

If you research on this forum, you will find that CC does not work on lots of HDTV from DVD upcovert players using Component (red blue green cable) or from HDMI cable. You will need to use old RCA composite cable (RCA yellow video cable) from DVD player to HDTV yellow compsite RCA input to view CC but picture are fuzzy unless you set it to i480 (old tv resolution with black border on left and right)

If you want to upcovert DVD movie into HDTV format 720 - 1080 etc then you have to use DVD subtitle or find a DVD upcovert player with CC decoder built in. I only heard of one so far from Pioneer with CC convertor built in DVD upcovert player. Search forum to find brand name.


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it sounds like most people here have a cable connection of some sort. i only have the tv that have the digital tuner built in, and the cc sucks, it goes in and out, sometimes its there sometimes its not...is there anything i can do to make it stay on? its like i get half the show thats cc and then the other have isn't...
and i recently found a dvd that doesn't have subtitles and the cc on the tv wont work (i normally have the tv cc the movies i watch, i prefer it to the dvds cc), but even with this dvd i couldn't find a place where it would enable cc?
Hello, I had the same problem when trying to watch a DVD without closed captioning. I am not sure if your dvd player is part of the tv. My tv has built in DVD player. It won't disply CC when playing from DVD so I bought a cheap cd player and a RF modulator. It allowed me to watch DVD through tv input which the CC works. If you can find a DVD player with cable output, that should work fine.
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Closed captions from Directv HD plus DVR

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I brought the LG plasma Tv couples weeks ago. The closed captions was fine with my old directv receiver. So I upgrade to new HD plus DVR from directv. The closed captions was not working with HDMI cable. I have trying to find out why it not working. So on the display list from directv and TV option, press yellow button. It have the closed captions option, so i turn it on from the remote. I love it. Just go to the menu on the set up options and it have different font size, color, and etc. I have no problem with it for a week.
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Unread 11-28-2008, 09:02 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Just wondering... since I don't have HDTV hooked up to HD cable/Dish/DirecTV, what does the closed caption look like?
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frustrated with CC and HDTV channels

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Does anyone know who we should contact in FCC agency about resolving the issue of "EXTREMELY POOR" CC on HDTV channels. CC seems to work well only on NON-HDTV channels. But guess what, in less than 50 days there will only be HDTV channels.

There has to be someone out there (in government) that has noticed this problem. But, it looks like they have not resolved this issue. I hope there is a solution to this and soon. Please let me know how I can contact someone in FCC to fix this issue. We may have to file some type of suite through the ACLU about this.

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Does anyone know who we should contact in FCC agency about resolving the issue of "EXTREMELY POOR" CC on HDTV channels. CC seems to work well only on NON-HDTV channels. But guess what, in less than 50 days there will only be HDTV channels.

There has to be someone out there (in government) that has noticed this problem. But, it looks like they have not resolved this issue. I hope there is a solution to this and soon. Please let me know how I can contact someone in FCC to fix this issue. We may have to file some type of suite through the ACLU about this.

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You need to file complaint to FCC or to your local TV station.

FCC's Tips on filing CC complaint for further information on filing complaint.

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HDTV CC issues are most likely from your local stations. In the past, I have contacted at least three different local stations about my HDTV CC issues and they have resolved them. It took me six months to convice one local station the problem was coming from them, not my TV and they finally fixed it.

Please be diplomatic with your local stations. Kindly describe the problem you are having. Currently, I am having a minor HDTV CC issue with one local station and I plan to use my camcorder and record HDTV CC issues and send an movie file (MPEG format) to them so they can see exactly the problem I am seeing.

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Using my camcorder, I made a video recording of my TV showing "Cold Case" that has minor HDTV CC issue. I converted the video tape to WMV file and e-mailed the file to my local CBS station. The station manager said the HDTV CC issue is a nationwide problem and he forwarded my WMV file to CBS headquarter.

Maybe you can do the same thing. We need more people filing HDTV CC complaints to their local stations so that CC is resolved before analog broadcasts get cut off.

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CC are stripped before it passed thur HDMI or upconvert Compoment cables so you can't get CC on HDTV unless DirectTV box have built in CC (HDTV DirectTV box does have it built in) or HDTV Cable box have built in CC that you will need to enable before it is sent to the HDTV via HDMI or upconvert Compoment.

Stupid move by the FCC to allow this on HDMI and upconvert Compoment.

Since there is no upconvert dvd player that could decode CC and we are currently stuck with old DVD player and HDTV TV if we want to watch the standard DVD discs unless you built a HTPC computer which I did and it allow me to upcovert my movies with CC and pass it out HDMI or Compoment.


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I am total agree with you, I am in same shoe as you. Only way to stop them are to regroup of us to sign up send to government to show them that we do not satisfactory with this process. also FCC need some adjust so the company will follow up.
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Sorry, but no. You didn't enable the CC signal to go through the HDMI cable. What you did was enable the TV receiver to decode the signal internally, then overlay the CC onto the video and send it through the HDMI cable as an image. Your HDTV is still not receiving the CC signal.

HDMI cables cannot carry the CC signal at all.
You are correct. line21 cannot go through the hdmi cable.
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I think i'm going to keep using this old analog TV until they fix closed captioning lol
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I think i'm going to keep using this old analog TV until they fix closed captioning lol
That's good question, do you? unless we have to do something.
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That's good question, do you? unless we have to do something.
I don't have to keep this old analog tv I just simply choose too. What's the alternative anyways, broken or missing closed captioning on hdtvs or a tv that will caption without any problems?
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I am total agree with you, I am in same shoe as you. Only way to stop them are to regroup of us to sign up send to government to show them that we do not satisfactory with this process. also FCC need some adjust so the company will follow up.
The government wont fix this and even if they did it would take years to implement the fix.
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Finally after research google. I found and I enable CC on charter remote menu button. Now HDMI has closed captioned with HD!!

However some channel which does not have HD the CC got so big letters and over the size of tv screen. I had to resize smaller inorder to see CC full. CC works great when have HD. HDNBC, HDCBS, HBOHD. ABC does not have HD available in charter.

Anyone can tell me is Direct TV better than Charter for HDMI with CC? ABC with HD available in Direct TV?

Thank you for sharing,
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There is no way CC work from the TV to the device by HDMI which I believe you turn on some kind of device has CC decode build in and it print on the picture and send through HDMI to TV. By the way, most of deaf people who love technology told me and I research on HDMI and it is not support the signal (frequencies) from device to TV make (CC) function and again HDMI is not support at all. Which we can stand up and fight with government to setup the new rule for FCC that all companies will stuck and follow up.
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I have Dish Network HDTV ViP222 and Element 15" 1080i. I am aware of the digital caption being turned on from the receiver. I noticed not all channels has captions. For instance, foxnews doesn't have cc while CNN has cc. A&E doesn't while HBO2 does. I thought about switching the receiver to SDTV instead of HDTV so I can watch all of those cc. There isn't much HDTV channels anyway. Does anyone know a way to resolve this?
I was watching FOX News and I turned on Closed Caption on SDTV. That's really sucks they forgot to turn on Closed Caption on HDTV for some channels.
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Concerned about our future TV hookup in Feb

We have 2 TVs. The one we will be replacing is about 20 yrs old, so it can't do closed captioning. I have been excited about the replacement, a Samsung 46" LCD HDTV that Best Buy is going to wall mount Feb 24th. That is when the TV comes in. I bought the HDMI cable. On Feb 4th, we switch from Surewest Everest to AT&T. AT&T assured me closed captioning will be there with their service. On Feb 4th, they are going to replace my Linksys router with their own AT&T router, and connect my laptops and my HDTV that I currently own that is only a few years old. At end of Feb, At&T will come back after the wall mounted Samsung LCD HDTV is installed to make sure everything is working with new TV. I am thinking about asking both Best Buy and AT&T to send technitions that are very experienced with closed captioning. I don't want to be mounting a $1,000 LCD HDTV and not be happy with closed captioning.

Would you advise me any differently?
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We have 2 TVs. The one we will be replacing is about 20 yrs old, so it can't do closed captioning. I have been excited about the replacement, a Samsung 46" LCD HDTV that Best Buy is going to wall mount Feb 24th. That is when the TV comes in. I bought the HDMI cable. On Feb 4th, we switch from Surewest Everest to AT&T. AT&T assured me closed captioning will be there with their service. On Feb 4th, they are going to replace my Linksys router with their own AT&T router, and connect my laptops and my HDTV that I currently own that is only a few years old. At end of Feb, At&T will come back after the wall mounted Samsung LCD HDTV is installed to make sure everything is working with new TV. I am thinking about asking both Best Buy and AT&T to send technitions that are very experienced with closed captioning. I don't want to be mounting a $1,000 LCD HDTV and not be happy with closed captioning.

Would you advise me any differently?
Umm... Just have AT&T send their guys over to get your AT&T cable CC turn on (not TV). You will have to expect that there are some shows that will not show CC - especially local news.

If you're going to hook up your DVD player to your HDTV, just use S-video and CC will still work on your TV (with TV's CC turn on).
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Using my camcorder, I made a video recording of my TV showing "Cold Case" that has minor HDTV CC issue. I converted the video tape to WMV file and e-mailed the file to my local CBS station. The station manager said the HDTV CC issue is a nationwide problem and he forwarded my WMV file to CBS headquarter.

Maybe you can do the same thing. We need more people filing HDTV CC complaints to their local stations so that CC is resolved before analog broadcasts get cut off.

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Hey could you upload that file to

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They might be able to fix HDMI or a work around fix. Why not have one wire in the HDMI be analog then use that info to over lay Closed Caption. They could have used another wire for Closed Caption like another RCA jack?

Any way I do not see HDMI being fixed at all. Reason for that they always updating HDMI from 1.0. 1.2. 1.3. 1.3a and so on.

If they did fix it and let's say it got fixed in 1.4 you would need a DVD player that was HDMI 1.4 and a TV set that was 1.4

The only real fix I can see happening with the government is have hard encoding of Closed Caption.
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At half way, you will notice people talking for about 10 seconds and there is no CC.

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