Terps - Page 17

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 05:52 PM

You'd be foolish to go into battle without ammunition, right? From my vantage point, it would be equally as foolish to enter the Deaf community (or any other endeavor) without some degree of awareness and/or skill prior to participation.

Who is going to argue with me on that point? I can’t imagine who will stand against that logic.

Reba · 03-20-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

You'd be foolish to go into battle without ammunition, right? From my vantage point, it would be equally as foolish to enter the Deaf community (or any other endeavor) without some degree of awareness and/or skill prior to participation.

Who is going to argue with me on that point? I can’t imagine who will stand against that logic.

How far are you willing to go for a sign language class?

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

AB, which colleges are within commuting distance to you?

Which public school district do you live in?

Many Reba. I'll find out now. Give me a few minutes.
Curious: Why would you need that info Reba?

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

How far are you willing to go for a sign language class?

What is far to one person is near to another. What do you mean by far?

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

AB, which colleges are within commuting distance to you?

Which public school district do you live in?

Colleges and public schools.

Reba · 03-20-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Many Reba. I'll find out now. Give me a few minutes.
Curious: Why would you need that info Reba?

I'm trying to help you find a sign language class.

Reba · 03-20-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

What is far to one person is near to another. What do you mean by far?

How many miles are you willing to commute?

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 06:53 PM

100 give-and-take. I mean I won't travel to adjecent counties because they are just too far. In the Miami metropolitan area (generally).

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 10:54 PM

I gather that you could not find a gathering either Reba. I have looked high and low for gathering without success.

When I do finally join in on a gathering, I will have two questions in mind, (1) where are all the local Deaf gatherings being held during the month, and (2) why isn't there more advertisement (Internet notifications) of such events?

Networking would also be of prime importance to me- developing friendships with Deaf folks. Then, of course, would be to interact (as best I can) with the group...gaining some degree of experience with the Deaf while being among them.

Reba · 03-20-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I gather that you could not find a gathering either Reba.

Why do you assume that?

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I have looked high and low for gathering without success.

Maybe you should focus on finding a sign language class first.

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Networking would also be of prime importance to me- developing friendships with Deaf folks. Then, of course, would be to interact (as best I can) with the group...gaining some degree of experience with the Deaf while being among them.

They will be more accepting of you if they see that you've made an effort to take some formal signing classes. One of the first questions they will ask you is where did you learn to sign.

shel90 · 03-20-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Why do you assume that?

Maybe you should focus on finding a sign language class first.

They will be more accepting of you if they see that you've made an effort to take some formal signing classes. One of the first questions they will ask you is where did you learn to sign.

Even for me, a deaf person, I took sign classes before attempting to go to Deaf events. When I was in my early 20s, I went to one without knowing any signs beyond the alphabet and nothing came out of it. After taking the classes, I was able to benefit more from the Deaf gatherings. No, i wasnt accepted with wide open arms at first cuz I am a deaf person who didnt know sign language and we are more likely to be looked down on than hering people who do not know sign language. Oh well.

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 11:18 PM

I assume it because of the delay in answer. I picture you looking and looking (like me) without any results. The only classes (non credit) are offered by the city college. They cancelled the one registered for a few weeks ago (

). I first learned sign in a class offered by the same city college five years ago.

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 11:23 PM

I was confused about the date of my local gathering. It is not on the 28th, it is tomorrow night! I can't wait. I am a little nervous to tell you the truth.

Reba · 03-20-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I assume it because of the delay in answer. I picture you looking and looking (like me) without any results. The only classes (non credit) are offered by the city college. They cancelled the one registered for a few weeks ago (

). I first learned sign in a class offered by the same city college five years ago.

Delay? I didn't know that there was a deadline. I'll help you but I do have a life so I'm not sitting at the computer every minute of the day. Since I posted about searching for a class I went shopping, made and ate dinner, cleaned the kitchen, did laundry, and helped Hubby with our kitchen remodel.

Now, back to the topic; I'll do a little searching tonight and maybe tomorrow morning. I'm taking my grandsons to the Aquarium tomorrow, so I won't be online most of the day.

Reba · 03-20-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I was confused about the date of my local gathering. It is not on the 28th, it is tomorrow night! I can't wait. I am a little nervous to tell you the truth.

You say that you took a signing class a few years ago. Do you think you remember enough to make simple chat at the activity?

Reba · 03-20-2008, 11:33 PM

Have you checked into this?

https://www.mdc.edu/north/english/signlanguage.asp

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You say that you took a signing class a few years ago. Do you think you remember enough to make simple chat at the activity?

Well I remember the important points on grammar aspect of ASL. The vocabulary is not so strong. It's been five years of inactivity. I do know the manual basics- ABCs (fingerspelling, numbers and such) so I guess I'll get by with fingerspelling my words. My biggest problem is retension. I will be doing the sign dont' understand alot tomorrow.

AquaBlue · 03-20-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Have you checked into this?

https://www.mdc.edu/north/english/signlanguage.asp

Yes. I spoke with the director of the sign language department (of that college) on the phone regarding classes; she could not help me locate a gathering either. Grrr.

Also, those are all credit classes. Maybe next year I'll enroll in that course and get a degree in the field. Financial problems exist for me now (credit issues) so I must save up a little. I am disabled so maybe they could give me a break on the tuition. I have not looked into it though, but I will.

jillio · 03-21-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

When you truly remember something you automatically learn it, or begin to learn it- engrave it into your mind.

But that is only the start.

Once you have gained that knowledge, you start applying it (Deaf gathering participation); and in time (more association/involvement) you begin to take command of the subject.

Well, not really. Memorizing leads to being able to use the information only in the context in which it was memorized. Only by learning is one able to apply in varied situations, and actually make use of the learned material.

AquaBlue · 03-21-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Well, not really. Memorizing leads to being able to use the information only in the context in which it was memorized. Only by learning is one able to apply in varied situations, and actually make use of the learned material.

But remember my friend, memorization is only a springboard into knowledge itself which leads one toward mastery gained by experience (application of the knowledge which is wisdom). You can learn in other ways of course...like how you described. But the best way, at least for me, is how I discribed it:

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Familiarity (overview) = memory (association) = learning (knowledge) = application (wisdom) = command (mastery).

At least that's my philosophy.

AquaBlue · 03-21-2008, 05:34 AM

You know that one of the positive things I have experienced from my sign vocabulary study is comprehending (retention) signers I see on video. I extract more and more signs, which are reinforced with the aid of non-manual signals. Thus getting a better understanding of the meaning being signed.

It's a very slow process but the vocabulary building is making it easier for me to read signers.

I understand that how I study (now) is not the best way, according to the members here, but I am making some strides nonetheless. Progress is all I want folks.

Etoile · 03-21-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Anij

YUP !!!
I'd much rather know, learn , live, breathe and be able to fully use only 500 signs, than hypothetically have"learned" 2000 out of a book without understanding how they are integrated into the language !

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Originally Posted by interpreter

I have been waiting for someone to ask this!

You have "learned" signs, but do you know ASL?

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Originally Posted by jillio

The million dollar question!

Thanks, guys!

Personally I am getting tired of this whole thing. I see somebody who insists that he is "learning" when all he is doing is consulting a book, without making the effort to meet deaf people. Multiple people - myself, Reba, others - have tried to help the OP find deaf gatherings, but they are too far, or he's not ready, etc. etc. Until you have somebody evaluate your sign production you have not learned anything. Books are a static medium and not acceptable for learning a moving language. I tried suggesting the OP use a webcam to make a video for us, but my suggestion was ignored. The OP has long insisted on doing things his way and insists that he is learning ASL. He insists that he wants to be an interpreter but has not sought out the "So You Wanna" book or anything besides an 18-year-old pamphlet. He asks questions that make no sense, he posts stuff on webpages as if it is factual without really knowing the details behind it, he doesn't know any deaf people and makes major faux pas with regard to deaf culture. (What was that b.s. thread about deaf people farting? Have a little respect for pete's sake.) I see a whole lot of "I'm trying to learn but the world is conspiring against me" and not a whole lot of learning. I see somebody who can't take criticism without thinking that we are trying to discourage him from his sudden new dream. I imagine the OP asking "what is the best way to learn ASL" and being told "take a class" and then saying "nah, I don't want to, they are too far away" etc.

I see somebody with a big ego and a major Type-A personality. I get tired dealing with those people. I'm pretty much done here.

Reba · 03-21-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Yes. I spoke with the director of the sign language department (of that college) on the phone regarding classes; she could not help me locate a gathering either. Grrr.

Also, those are all credit classes. Maybe next year I'll enroll in that course and get a degree in the field. Financial problems exist for me now (credit issues) so I must save up a little. I am disabled so maybe they could give me a break on the tuition. I have not looked into it though, but I will.

I didn't mean did they find you a "gathering."

I meant, did you seriously investigate registering for their interpreter program?

I'm a firm believer that if there is a will, there is a way. You could start out with even one course, the sooner the better. You could seriously look into VR assistance and Pell grants.

If you are sincere about learning to sign and becoming an interpreter, you will find a way to take a sign language class no later than this fall semester.

I don't want to seem harsh but if you don't have the initiative to take a sign language course after all this time, in an area like metro Miami-Dade, then you don't have enough initiative to complete an ITP and become an interpreter.

Years ago, when I found out there was no local ITP program for me, I essentially created one. I coerced people to take classes to get enough students, I traveled all over the state, I initiated silent dinners, and made a real nuisance of myself. Then I became the first graduate of this particular program.

If you want it, you'll do it. If you don't want it, you'll find excuses.

We terps at AllDeaf are more than willing to help and support you. But we're not here to stroke you indefinitely.

End of sermon.

Etoile · 03-21-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If you want it, you'll do it. If you don't want it, you'll find excuses.

We terps at AllDeaf are more than willing to help and support you. But we're not here to stroke you indefinitely.

My feelings exactly, but so much better expressed.

Reba · 03-21-2008, 10:34 AM

For financial aid:

Financial Aid & Scholarships

VR help:

Florida Division of Vocational Rehabilitation

School to Work program:

http://www.rehabworks.org/Files/Docu...20Brochure.pdf

Schermy · 03-21-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

Thanks, guys!

Personally I am getting tired of this whole thing. I see somebody who insists that he is "learning" when all he is doing is consulting a book, without making the effort to meet deaf people. Multiple people - myself, Reba, others - have tried to help the OP find deaf gatherings, but they are too far, or he's not ready, etc. etc. Until you have somebody evaluate your sign production you have not learned anything. Books are a static medium and not acceptable for learning a moving language. I tried suggesting the OP use a webcam to make a video for us, but my suggestion was ignored. The OP has long insisted on doing things his way and insists that he is learning ASL. He insists that he wants to be an interpreter but has not sought out the "So You Wanna" book or anything besides an 18-year-old pamphlet. He asks questions that make no sense, he posts stuff on webpages as if it is factual without really knowing the details behind it, he doesn't know any deaf people and makes major faux pas with regard to deaf culture. (What was that b.s. thread about deaf people farting? Have a little respect for pete's sake.) I see a whole lot of "I'm trying to learn but the world is conspiring against me" and not a whole lot of learning. I see somebody who can't take criticism without thinking that we are trying to discourage him from his sudden new dream. I imagine the OP asking "what is the best way to learn ASL" and being told "take a class" and then saying "nah, I don't want to, they are too far away" etc.

I see somebody with a big ego and a major Type-A personality. I get tired dealing with those people. I'm pretty much done here.

Oh my God..........I couldn't have said it better. I'm sooo tried of the "I'm so smart I'm learing to sign from books but I want you all to help/feel sorry for me" thing too. When I first started learing ASL I did everything in my power to find social gatherings and DRIVE where ever it took to go and to find classes and DRIVE where ever I needed. I don't think I can take another "excuse" for not getting off is butt and doing somthing other than ordering another book from the Library!!!!!!!!!!

03-20-2008, 05:52 PM	#481 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	You'd be foolish to go into battle without ammunition, right? From my vantage point, it would be equally as foolish to enter the Deaf community (or any other endeavor) without some degree of awareness and/or skill prior to participation. Who is going to argue with me on that point? I can’t imagine who will stand against that logic. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-20-2008, 06:53 PM	#488 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	100 give-and-take. I mean I won't travel to adjecent counties because they are just too far. In the Miami metropolitan area (generally). __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-20-2008, 10:54 PM	#489 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I gather that you could not find a gathering either Reba. I have looked high and low for gathering without success. When I do finally join in on a gathering, I will have two questions in mind, (1) where are all the local Deaf gatherings being held during the month, and (2) why isn't there more advertisement (Internet notifications) of such events? Networking would also be of prime importance to me- developing friendships with Deaf folks. Then, of course, would be to interact (as best I can) with the group...gaining some degree of experience with the Deaf while being among them. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-20-2008, 11:18 PM	#492 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I assume it because of the delay in answer. I picture you looking and looking (like me) without any results. The only classes (non credit) are offered by the city college. They cancelled the one registered for a few weeks ago (). I first learned sign in a class offered by the same city college five years ago. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-20-2008, 11:23 PM	#493 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I was confused about the date of my local gathering. It is not on the 28th, it is tomorrow night! I can't wait. I am a little nervous to tell you the truth. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

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03-20-2008, 11:33 PM	#496 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,288	Have you checked into this? https://www.mdc.edu/north/english/signlanguage.asp

03-21-2008, 05:34 AM	#501 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	You know that one of the positive things I have experienced from my sign vocabulary study is comprehending (retention) signers I see on video. I extract more and more signs, which are reinforced with the aid of non-manual signals. Thus getting a better understanding of the meaning being signed. It's a very slow process but the vocabulary building is making it easier for me to read signers. I understand that how I study (now) is not the best way, according to the members here, but I am making some strides nonetheless. Progress is all I want folks. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-21-2008, 10:34 AM	#505 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,288	For financial aid: Financial Aid & Scholarships VR help: Florida Division of Vocational Rehabilitation School to Work program: http://www.rehabworks.org/Files/Docu...20Brochure.pdf