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I don't know what I am doing here 2 12.50%
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NOS - Nitrous Oxide, yeah! 5 31.25%
Supercharger 2 12.50%
Turbocharger 7 43.75%
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Unread 05-01-2012, 05:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb Nitrous <> Super <> Turbo

Which one is better? Opinions, people.


Nitrous Oxide



Supercharger



Turbocharger

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I went with nitrous. I enjoy it at the dentist.
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I say, NOS offers the cheapest bang for the buck these days. Cost way less than turbo or supercharged systems, less hassle to install it. Can make an old beater into a sleeper.

Imagine putting NOS in a 1980 Buick LeSabre. Nobody would see it coming.
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If you want to use NOS, best bet that you secure your engine or else it'll explode once it go red lined

Meebee that you put it in granny's car and no one knew it

My bro friend did floored the drag car with blower on top of it (usually called "hair dryer") back in old day and He let it rev at red line in 3 seconds on Neutral and engine blew apart, piston shot through windshield and whipped by his glasses just barely his face. His glasses shattered and he was so shocked and scared. Dumb!!

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Unread 05-01-2012, 11:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Which one is better? Opinions, people.

http://i.imgur.com/YtEU9.jpg
Nitrous Oxide


http://i.imgur.com/7dbVF.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/lFieb.jpg
Turbocharger
2nd picture is turbocharger, not supercharger

Correct supercharger is

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I say, NOS offers the cheapest bang for the buck these days. Cost way less than turbo or supercharged systems, less hassle to install it. Can make an old beater into a sleeper.

Imagine putting NOS in a 1980 Buick LeSabre. Nobody would see it coming.
NOS is pretty short like 2-10 sec after enable depend what size of tank and keeps refill again and again and it may blow up the engine so easy if enable NOS too long.

Turbocharger and supercharged system are safely than NOS for engine life.

I like turbocharger because it can fit anything engine even motorcycle.
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What I have experienced, your results may vary:

NOS: install is easy, and truly, for the cost ? It is the cheapest way to gain HP. Keep it mild, single, maybe a progressive or at most a double shot.............on the RIGHT motor, agreed, it works. BUT it is hard on the pistons/cylinder walls. Wet vs dry ? In MY opinion based on my personal experience, wet will make your engine live longer.

Turbo's: Can and do work, my best luck has been on smaller engines like sleds or some VTEC applications. Not something I played with ALLOT, but if you build it RIGHT, they can and do perform. I have seen diesels come to life when they get the boost. Downside is turbo lag and flat spots. But hey,they work and they normally fit under the hood, but you do have that big ass after-cooler to deal with.

Superchargers: Both Paxton (centrifugal) and roots type, they just flat out make power. Depending on how big and how much drive you put into them, yeah, monster motors. Also big bucks. You need the bottom end built to accommodate the extra pressure, the drive system is not going to fit anywhere close to a stock system (paxton being a bit of an exception) and body work is a MUST. Or just lose the hood I guess. These days, I would go injection , not carbed, also you can add NOS on a blower motor. These are expensive, big, powerful and super cool to look at. Sleeper ? Not a chance. Parasitic power loss is ALWAYS a conderation.

On all of them, no matter what type, big HP/torgue means heat and allot of it.

Now....................given the context of this thread, sorta anyway.....go down and buy a beater with a heater, slap on a manifold plate with an enrichment circuit on it, say a 100 shot ? Big I know for an out of the box start, but hey, its gonna explode anyway. That's why your not using your vintage pinto you been saving in the back yard. Go out and have fun, spray it till it unloads all the pistons. It would be a sleeper. When done, rake up the motor, pull all your gear off, and scrap it. Dirt track races in the meadow of an accomondating land owner can be a great way to kill a saturday afternoon. Come on, around here ? They race tractors and have a combine demo derby in Lind every year.
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2nd picture is turbocharger, not supercharger
Correct supercharger is
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/supercharger-3.jpg
Thanks, I must have copied wrong one. I went to correct it.
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What about supercharger vs turbocharger on engine life? I've heard opinion that turbo may be destructive to long engine life compared to supercharger.. but I dunno.
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What about supercharger vs turbocharger on engine life? I've heard opinion that turbo may be destructive to long engine life compared to supercharger.. but I dunno.
My experance tells me turbos tend to fail before the engine fails rather then the other way around, I would worry about engine life too much as skipping and delaying servicing will do more damage
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What about supercharger vs turbocharger on engine life? I've heard opinion that turbo may be destructive to long engine life compared to supercharger.. but I dunno.
Depend.

I seen semi's diesel I6 12L with bigass turbocharger last around 1,000,000 miles as good driver and good maintenance.

The turbocharger don't like to get dirty air (skip replace air filter) and dirty oil (skip change a oil) cause short life quick.

NEVER Rev engine up during cold engine for warm up quick after start up and NEVER shut engine down immediately after long trip or racing or high speed or heavy towing cause hot oil will burn in the turbocharger and oil lining (most common for oil leak) So must let it idle for around 5-10 min to cool engine down then shut it off.

The turbocharger must come with Intercooler to keep turbocharger and engine cool down.





So Driver abuse or poor maintenance will kill turbocharger quick.
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I like superchargers..... Want to own 2 Supercharged Corvette ZR1 and Camaro ZL1.
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Which one is better? Opinions, people.

http://i.imgur.com/YtEU9.jpg
Nitrous Oxide


http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/supercharger-3.jpg
Supercharger


http://i.imgur.com/lFieb.jpg
Turbocharger
I prefer Turbo with nitrous
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I like superchargers..... Want to own 2 Supercharged Corvette ZR1 and Camaro ZL1.
Corvette ZR1 is very nice!

Which you like centrifugal Supercharger or supercharger?
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Corvette ZR1 is very nice!

Which you like centrifugal Supercharger or supercharger?
Supercharger....Centrifugal-type supercharger is not my taste cuz of bolt-on kit and not met California's emission requirements...
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That's easy. It's nitrous oxide. What else? lol My brothers used to race um, illegal races (Fast and Furious style) in San Diego and Long Beach when they were young. Of course, they got in trouble for violating laws. My bro was not allowed to drive his own car for a month, and required to pay his insurance three times for 6 years. My insurance company refused to permit my brother to drive my car literally. My brother is being good father/husband now, and takes care of his VW cars like babies, and goes to the car club. My other brother works on Nascar engines for Toyota Racing Development. My brothers would vouch for nitrous oxide.
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correction, the second picture is indeed a supercharger
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Turbo>all

Nitrous - Get ready to grenade something unless you spend money on forged internals and sleeves
SC - Better power band than a Turbo but normally doesnt create the amount of power a turbo does
Turbo - More power than a SC, but unless quality tuned it will have lag at some point of the power band


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It all depends on the cost of NOS vs Turbo, fuel cost is the overriding factor.
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It all depends on the cost of NOS vs Turbo, fuel cost is the overriding factor.
Its Nitrous not NOS

And Nitrous will cost more in the long run compared to a Turbo

When you throw a rod through the side of your block because you decided to throw nitrous on your stock 4cyl and you have to get a new motor, you will wish you wouldve just got the turbo.
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Its Nitrous not NOS
Maybe not officially, but:
Urban Dictionary: nos

And, you won't blow out the block if it is used correctly. Conversely, if you put on a turbo and don't match the top end to the bottom your crank shaft will be in the street.
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Maybe not officially, but:
Urban Dictionary: nos

And, you won't blow out the block if it is used correctly. Conversely, if you put on a turbo and don't match the top end to the bottom your crank shaft will be in the street.

Agreed on both, NOS or Nitrous, both are used interchangeably. I cannot remember the last time I heard the term "nitrous oxide" used in its full vernacular other that maybe at the dentist. They all mean the same, at least in street circles they do.

Second, ALL make power, some in my opinion, based on MY experiance, do it better than others.

Wet nitrous is an easy approach, but as mentioned by many, maybe TOO easy. The "bolt and go" will not lead to long engine life. Built right, a turbo motor on nitrous can and will flat out make serious power.
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Urban Dictionary: nos

And, you won't blow out the block if it is used correctly. Conversely, if you put on a turbo and don't match the top end to the bottom your crank shaft will be in the street.

Nitrous means nitrous

NOS means Nitrous Oxide Systems, which is a brand...NOT the product




And you can run low levels of boost on many cars without worrying too much about your motor will take it. Such as my car (A stock VQ30) can take about 7-9lbs of boost and not be destructive and make around 300whp.

Now if you were to run a 150 shot of nitrous through that bone stock motor, you have random chance of blowing that motor.


Simply put, any power adder; such as FI (turbo/SC/PC) or Nitrous; could blow a motor if not handled with care but for your specific goal any all of them can be used in certain amounts on certain cars without causing destruction
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I've never used NOS, only raced against it. I could be wrong, but another problem was/is control. If you are doing turbo or a blower, do you have better control over the car?
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Sorta arguing the same point here...............

I mean really ? NOS, yeah everyone knows it stands for Nitrous Oxide Systems (actually, I think there is a power drink with the same initials) Yes, I captilized the "N" because it is a name. True, I do not hear NOS nearly as much as "bottle, spray, juice, shot " or even just the number or stages you run. Again, this is what I have personally dealt with, your results may vary.

Control is a damn good question, my only experience has been in rear wheel, all wheel or track drive applications, almost all in a straight line, most up hill. Front wheel drive with a big shot ? That could get more than a little interesting in the handling department I would think, but again, I personally have never ran that application.
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AGAIN...............my experience...........

and YES I stole this picture from "The Highlander" in his post above ^
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Turbocharger + NOS + stock engine is throw connecting rod(s) or blow head gasket. This math is your answer....
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AGAIN...............my experience...........

and YES I stole this picture from "The Highlander" in his post above ^
Subaru? I recognized the alternator on the top of the engine. Am I wrong?
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I checked out the cost of the NOS kit (bolt-on) is from $400 dollars to over $800 dollars from Summit. Plus cost of refill bottles... I don't know how much for refill the bottles...
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Subaru? I recognized the alternator on the top of the engine. Am I wrong?
LOL I just googled thru intercooler and You are good eyes. Yes it's Subaru Sti.
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