Schools Fight Families Over Autism Service Dogs

rockin'robin · 08-23-2009, 09:26 PM

CHICAGO – Like seeing-eye dogs for the blind, trained dogs are now being used to help autistic children deal with their disabilities. But some schools want to keep the animals out, and families are fighting back.

Two autistic elementary school students recently won court orders in Illinois allowing their dogs to accompany them to school. Their lawsuits follow others in California and Pennsylvania over schools' refusal to allow dogs that parents say calm their children, ease transitions and even keep the kids from running into traffic.

At issue is whether the dogs are true "service dogs" — essential to managing a disability — or simply companions that provide comfort.

At issue is whether the dogs are true "service dogs" — essential to managing a disability — or simply companions that provide comfort.

School districts say they are not discriminating, just drawing the line to protect the safety and health of other students who may be allergic or scared of dogs.

"The school district has 650 students, not just one. So we have to balance," said Brandon Wright, attorney for the Villa Grove district in central Illinois, which objected to 6-year-old Kaleb Drew's plan to bring his yellow Labrador retriever, Chewey, to school.

Kaleb's family won a judge's order in July allowing the dog to come to class until a trial, set to start Nov. 10. That means when Kaleb starts his first full day of first grade Monday, Chewey will be by his side.

Service dogs have long been used by the blind, but training them to help those with autism is relatively new. While there's little research on how these animals affect autistic children, families like Kaleb's say they have seen marked improvement. And the support group Autism Speaks includes a list of dog-training groups among resources on its Web site.

Autism is a developmental disorder that involves behaviors such as poor eye contact, trouble communicating and repetitive movements such as rocking or hand-flapping. Those with the disorder are prone to outbursts and may have trouble with changes in their environment.

The dogs are trained to be a calming influence, providing a constant between home, school and other new places. Sometimes, as in Kaleb's case, the dogs are tethered to children to prevent them from running off in dangerous situations.

"It's done so much more than we thought it could," said Kaleb's mother, Nichelle Drew. "We want Kaleb to be able to experience more of life," and the dog has helped him do that, she said.

Chewey does not react when Kaleb "throws a fit" during times of transition from one activity to another, which calms him much more quickly, Drew said.

The tether fitted around Kaleb's waist helps the dog stop Kaleb from running into traffic at pickup time, as he is prone to do.

Under the federal Americans with Disabilities Act, "a person with autism would be considered a person with a disability in nearly all cases, and a service animal is any guide dog, signal dog or other animal individually trained to provide assistance to someone with a disability," said Alejandro Miyar, a spokesman for the Department of Justice.

Miyar declined comment on specific cases but said schools are required to make accommodations for disabled students to use a service animal. Illinois is among several states with similar laws.

Schools, though, can argue that the animals do not provide a functional service. Wright said Kaleb's school already provides him with adequate special services. Officials believe Chewey is more of a companion or comfort dog, not a true service dog.

Elizabeth Emken, vice president of government relations for Autism Speaks, said her 17-year-old autistic son has used a service dog for about two years.

Emken said the dog helps control her son's pacing and circling, but the family opted against allowing the boy to take the dog to school because she did not know if he would be able to manage the dog effectively.

"Personally, I can see the pros and cons" of allowing the animals in schools, Emken said, though she believes schools should not ban the assistance.

Families of autistic kids elsewhere have fought similar battles, including recent cases in Manteca, Calif., about 70 miles northeast of San Francisco, and North Franklin Township, Pa., near Pittsburgh.

And cases involving other disabilities, including deafness and diabetes, have cropped up in other states.

On Thursday, a judge sided with a family in Columbia, near St. Louis, that sued over their school district's unwillingness to allow an autism service dog in a special education pre-kindergarten classroom.

Still, 5-year-old Carter Kalbfleisch will not have the dog with him when he starts classes Monday. A hearing is scheduled that day so the school can work out the logistics of accommodating the dog, which his family credits with helping stop the boy from running off and keeping him from eating things like rocks.

The case still could head to trial, though the family's attorney, Clay St. Clair, said Friday the initial ruling is based on the Illinois law allowing service animals in school. The district did not return calls.

"I don't know if it would have been a simpler issue if we were dealing with a guide dog or something the school board was a little more familiar with," St. Clair said.

Schools fight families over autism service dogs - Yahoo! News

deafdyke · 08-24-2009, 08:36 PM

I'm sorry but autism service dogs aren't like seeing eye or seizure dogs or even hearing ear dogs. They simply use the dogs as comfort. Maybe find an alternative way to help the autistic kids.

***Jolie77*** · 08-24-2009, 08:43 PM

While it may be a good idea to have a dog to be a service dog for autistic kids at school but, I don't see how that is necessary in a school setting where it can also be distracting for other children.

Yes, it is true that animals have a tendency to relieve the over-sensations of autistic children but it is no where as close as to being important as a service dog for blind children. They can also set a time for the autistic child to be with the service dog in an appropriate setting rather than being around with other children. In most, it is a reason to provide comfort for autistic children, it is not for the necessity as compared as to other that really needs it more than far none.

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-24-2009, 11:22 PM

I really wish the media would stop comparing autism service dogs to dogs for the blind. Especially for children. NO guide dog school or program is going to pair a child with a dog. The "tasks" these dogs are supposedly trained for are weak, at best, and tethering a child to a dog is dangerous - I don't care HOW well-trained the dog is. Emotional support animals and therapy animals are great, especially for children with developmental disabilities, but tying a 5 year old to a dog so the parents can have a "more normal" life and go to the mall or grocery store is not something I condone.

I really feel that a lot of the programs training these dogs are preying on families desperate for some semblance of normalcy. These dogs cost up to $10,000 a piece.

CJB · 08-24-2009, 11:28 PM

Are autism dogs like guide dogs? Yes, they very well may be. I'm not one to tell autistic people what they need or don't need. But a guide dog in school? I think that's way too distracting to other students and also poses a health risk.

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-24-2009, 11:36 PM

There's a difference between a person with autism using a service dog to mitigate their disability so they can live more independently and a child being tied to a dog all day.

What health risks? Allergies? It is very rare for someone to have a life-threatening allergy to dogs. If the school decides the dog is a service dog and the accommodation to have one in the classroom is necessary and reasonable, they would have to also accommodate the allergy.

CJB · 08-24-2009, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OpheliaSpeaks

What health risks? Allergies? It is very rare for someone to have a life-threatening allergy to dogs. If the school decides the dog is a service dog and the accommodation to have one in the classroom is necessary and reasonable, they would have to also accommodate the allergy.

Well that and more than any actual risk, if any child became sick, there would probably be some parent blaming it on the service animal. The main thing is that a service animal would be a huge distraction to most students.

Lighthouse77 · 08-25-2009, 07:39 PM

Allergies is a disability too.. My son gets asthma, hives, eczema, etc from pets.YES ASTHMA IS DEATHLY for some kids. They need to think people like them. The kids have teachers and peers that can help them in school. They don't need a dog to get by.

plus, some dogs can just snap and lose their temper especially around children... Sometimes this happen when dogs are not feeling too well, so they bite to tell people to leave them alone.

btw, Some autism children have severe allergies anyway, well the one I know does.

Lighthouse77 · 08-25-2009, 07:49 PM

btw, my son get frequently lung infection due to asthma. He can't concentrate in school with his allergies acting up either. It is not fair for him to miss too many days of school because someone brought in a dog for dog service.

shel90 · 08-25-2009, 09:00 PM

Since I am not austistic, I cant say what's right or wrong for the the children. No opinion on this one.

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-25-2009, 10:10 PM

Allergies in and of themselves are not a disability. It is uncommon for an allergy to be disabling. Several people in my family, including me, have life-threatening allergies. They are not disabling. Depends on the individual, so allergies CAN be disabling, but just because a kid is allergic to dogs, doesn't mean he's disabled.

Lighthouse77 · 08-25-2009, 11:29 PM

so you think they should allow dogs in the school?

allergy related asthma is disabling... you really can't function without breathing

They are banning peanuts from school (because it is sticky and deathly for some kids)

people did fine without dogs in schools, no need to start it now.

If a blind person need help around the school, then the school should should accommodate him without dogs.. if a deaf person need a help, then the school should accommodate him without dogs as well. leave the dog for outside of school. 8 hours in the same classroom with a dog will make my son really sick. he is often loaded with steroid and antibodies anyhow.

CJB · 08-25-2009, 11:34 PM

Exactly. A Deaf person doesn't need a dog in a school environment because there will be plenty of hearing people who would react to any sounds. The Deaf person would be able to tell something was wrong right away.

A blind person can use a long white cane at school. In fact this is probably more favorable since a cane doesn't need to go to the bathroom or need to be fed.

Accommodations for people with disabilities can be made without bringing service animals into the picture.

I just don't think service animals are a good idea in a school environment, especially in grade school when a certain portion of the class will most likely lack the maturity level to deal with an animal in the classroom.

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-26-2009, 10:43 AM

I support the use of service dogs that are task-trained and there to mitigate the handler's disability IF and ONLY if the handler is capable of making the decisions and exercising the judgment necessary to handle the dog independently - withOUT a trainer or parent present. Typically a child under the age of 16 really doesn't have these skills.

The laws are written to protect those with disabilities and to give them more equal access to services. It gives them the opportunity to go about daily life more independently. Using a service dog is a choice that the law supports.

Regarding allergy-related asthma. Determining whether or not a condition is disabling is done on a case-by-case basis. If the condition is successfully managed with the use of medication or other means so that the person can function withOUT limitations, it is not disabling.

Lighthouse77 · 08-26-2009, 11:25 AM

well it is bad enough that children HAVE go to school no matter what (mandatory that they have to go all day for 5 days a week, so it is not like we have a choice)...They can't have pet allergies on top of that.

You have NO idea how hard it is get asthma under control even with medication and most of the time allergy medicine do not work with eczema and asthma.. it is a totally different issue from allergy. They have to depend on steroid on those things and hope for the best that it will settle down.. but the inflammatory will not settle down until whatever it is triggering it is removed.

I hope they don't force dogs in school

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-26-2009, 11:41 AM

Please don't pass judgment on me. You do not know what type of medical conditions I struggle with. Yes, I do know, unfortunately.

Lighthouse77 · 08-26-2009, 11:45 AM

then why you want to expose my son around dogs? his asthma is allergic asthma? I want him to go to school to learn, not to suffer. (btw, there are deaf people at his school so there is a high chance they will bring dogs to school if the court decide it is ok)

Jiro · 08-26-2009, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lighthouse77

allergy related asthma is disabling... you really can't function without breathing

and life-threatening too

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-26-2009, 11:50 AM

Is your son's school considering allowing a dog inside? If not, then the issue is moot. The school would have to accommodate your son and the child who needs the dog.

Lighthouse77 · 08-26-2009, 11:51 AM

no, but it could.. you know how poeple love dogs

btw, if you think a dog should not be in the classroom, then what the point of bring it in the first place.

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-26-2009, 11:58 AM

I don't get to decide whether or not dogs go into classrooms. I don't think dogs belong in classrooms tethered to children, no. With the amount of media attention these cases are getting, I think the laws are going to have to be re-written and policies changed. I believe that developmentally delayed and disabled children can benefit from a highly trained pet or Emotional Support Animal. I don't think tying the child to a dog 24/7 is the answer.

Lighthouse77 · 08-26-2009, 12:16 PM

I can tell you one thing, I think many parents with allergy related asthma children (and other type of allergies that distract their children from learning) will not like it. as long it is out the classroom and outdoor, then I'm fine with it.

Lighthouse77 · 08-26-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Kaleb's family won a judge's order in July allowing the dog to come to class until a trial, set to start Nov. 10. That means when Kaleb starts his first full day of first grade Monday, Chewey will be by his side.

From the article, it does seem to be saying the family want the dog by his side IN the classroom

OpheliaSpeaks · 08-26-2009, 12:24 PM

Yes, that dog has been going to school in the classroom tethered to the little boy since Monday. The school isn't happy about it.

As I'm sure you're aware, it is possible for those with allergies to have reactions even without the animal being present. Allergens are sticky and they travel on people's clothes. While I agree that this is no match for having the dog in the classroom, it is something that an attorney would likely bring up.

Lighthouse77 · 08-26-2009, 12:30 PM

I know. Some kids come in to school covered with dog hair. Having a dog in the classroom would just build it up.dogs lick, shed, etc (my son always break out in eczema and hives when a dog lick him)

you can have alittle bit of pollen or whole bunch of pollen which why some of us get extremely sick during high pollen count

FireTiger · 08-26-2009, 05:51 PM

Normal/traditional service dog training schools do not place dogs with children, (most children) mostly because a child lacks the coordination/attention/strength to be the sole caretaker of a dog.

When Jack (Male Lab) went back to SEGI he weighed 75 lbs... and was 'ideal' weight.

deafdyke · 08-26-2009, 08:25 PM

Yes................an autism service dog is NOT a gotta have. If the kid is so impaired that nothing but a dog will help them calm down, then they need a very very specialized placement.

08-23-2009, 09:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 2,787	Schools Fight Families Over Autism Service Dogs CHICAGO – Like seeing-eye dogs for the blind, trained dogs are now being used to help autistic children deal with their disabilities. But some schools want to keep the animals out, and families are fighting back. Two autistic elementary school students recently won court orders in Illinois allowing their dogs to accompany them to school. Their lawsuits follow others in California and Pennsylvania over schools' refusal to allow dogs that parents say calm their children, ease transitions and even keep the kids from running into traffic. At issue is whether the dogs are true "service dogs" — essential to managing a disability — or simply companions that provide comfort. At issue is whether the dogs are true "service dogs" — essential to managing a disability — or simply companions that provide comfort. School districts say they are not discriminating, just drawing the line to protect the safety and health of other students who may be allergic or scared of dogs. "The school district has 650 students, not just one. So we have to balance," said Brandon Wright, attorney for the Villa Grove district in central Illinois, which objected to 6-year-old Kaleb Drew's plan to bring his yellow Labrador retriever, Chewey, to school. Kaleb's family won a judge's order in July allowing the dog to come to class until a trial, set to start Nov. 10. That means when Kaleb starts his first full day of first grade Monday, Chewey will be by his side. Service dogs have long been used by the blind, but training them to help those with autism is relatively new. While there's little research on how these animals affect autistic children, families like Kaleb's say they have seen marked improvement. And the support group Autism Speaks includes a list of dog-training groups among resources on its Web site. Autism is a developmental disorder that involves behaviors such as poor eye contact, trouble communicating and repetitive movements such as rocking or hand-flapping. Those with the disorder are prone to outbursts and may have trouble with changes in their environment. The dogs are trained to be a calming influence, providing a constant between home, school and other new places. Sometimes, as in Kaleb's case, the dogs are tethered to children to prevent them from running off in dangerous situations. "It's done so much more than we thought it could," said Kaleb's mother, Nichelle Drew. "We want Kaleb to be able to experience more of life," and the dog has helped him do that, she said. Chewey does not react when Kaleb "throws a fit" during times of transition from one activity to another, which calms him much more quickly, Drew said. The tether fitted around Kaleb's waist helps the dog stop Kaleb from running into traffic at pickup time, as he is prone to do. Under the federal Americans with Disabilities Act, "a person with autism would be considered a person with a disability in nearly all cases, and a service animal is any guide dog, signal dog or other animal individually trained to provide assistance to someone with a disability," said Alejandro Miyar, a spokesman for the Department of Justice. Miyar declined comment on specific cases but said schools are required to make accommodations for disabled students to use a service animal. Illinois is among several states with similar laws. Schools, though, can argue that the animals do not provide a functional service. Wright said Kaleb's school already provides him with adequate special services. Officials believe Chewey is more of a companion or comfort dog, not a true service dog. Elizabeth Emken, vice president of government relations for Autism Speaks, said her 17-year-old autistic son has used a service dog for about two years. Emken said the dog helps control her son's pacing and circling, but the family opted against allowing the boy to take the dog to school because she did not know if he would be able to manage the dog effectively. "Personally, I can see the pros and cons" of allowing the animals in schools, Emken said, though she believes schools should not ban the assistance. Families of autistic kids elsewhere have fought similar battles, including recent cases in Manteca, Calif., about 70 miles northeast of San Francisco, and North Franklin Township, Pa., near Pittsburgh. And cases involving other disabilities, including deafness and diabetes, have cropped up in other states. On Thursday, a judge sided with a family in Columbia, near St. Louis, that sued over their school district's unwillingness to allow an autism service dog in a special education pre-kindergarten classroom. Still, 5-year-old Carter Kalbfleisch will not have the dog with him when he starts classes Monday. A hearing is scheduled that day so the school can work out the logistics of accommodating the dog, which his family credits with helping stop the boy from running off and keeping him from eating things like rocks. The case still could head to trial, though the family's attorney, Clay St. Clair, said Friday the initial ruling is based on the Illinois law allowing service animals in school. The district did not return calls. "I don't know if it would have been a simpler issue if we were dealing with a guide dog or something the school board was a little more familiar with," St. Clair said. Schools fight families over autism service dogs - Yahoo! News

08-24-2009, 08:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
*Jolie77* Love all, trust a few. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kentucky, USA (The Bluegrass State) Posts: 8,017 Blog Entries: 1	While it may be a good idea to have a dog to be a service dog for autistic kids at school but, I don't see how that is necessary in a school setting where it can also be distracting for other children. Yes, it is true that animals have a tendency to relieve the over-sensations of autistic children but it is no where as close as to being important as a service dog for blind children. They can also set a time for the autistic child to be with the service dog in an appropriate setting rather than being around with other children. In most, it is a reason to provide comfort for autistic children, it is not for the necessity as compared as to other that really needs it more than far none. __________________ “Tough girls come from New York. Sweet girls, they're from Georgia. But us Kentucky girls, we have fire and ice in our blood. We can ride horses, be a debutante, throw left hooks, and drink with the boys, all the while making sweet tea, darlin'. And if we have an opinion, you know you're gonna hear it.” - Ashley Judd

08-24-2009, 11:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	I really wish the media would stop comparing autism service dogs to dogs for the blind. Especially for children. NO guide dog school or program is going to pair a child with a dog. The "tasks" these dogs are supposedly trained for are weak, at best, and tethering a child to a dog is dangerous - I don't care HOW well-trained the dog is. Emotional support animals and therapy animals are great, especially for children with developmental disabilities, but tying a 5 year old to a dog so the parents can have a "more normal" life and go to the mall or grocery store is not something I condone. I really feel that a lot of the programs training these dogs are preying on families desperate for some semblance of normalcy. These dogs cost up to $10,000 a piece. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-24-2009, 11:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	There's a difference between a person with autism using a service dog to mitigate their disability so they can live more independently and a child being tied to a dog all day. What health risks? Allergies? It is very rare for someone to have a life-threatening allergy to dogs. If the school decides the dog is a service dog and the accommodation to have one in the classroom is necessary and reasonable, they would have to also accommodate the allergy. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-25-2009, 07:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	Allergies is a disability too.. My son gets asthma, hives, eczema, etc from pets.YES ASTHMA IS DEATHLY for some kids. They need to think people like them. The kids have teachers and peers that can help them in school. They don't need a dog to get by. plus, some dogs can just snap and lose their temper especially around children... Sometimes this happen when dogs are not feeling too well, so they bite to tell people to leave them alone. btw, Some autism children have severe allergies anyway, well the one I know does. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

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08-24-2009, 08:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 7,495	I'm sorry but autism service dogs aren't like seeing eye or seizure dogs or even hearing ear dogs. They simply use the dogs as comfort. Maybe find an alternative way to help the autistic kids.

08-24-2009, 11:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
CJB deafblind writer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 1,425	Are autism dogs like guide dogs? Yes, they very well may be. I'm not one to tell autistic people what they need or don't need. But a guide dog in school? I think that's way too distracting to other students and also poses a health risk.

08-25-2009, 07:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	btw, my son get frequently lung infection due to asthma. He can't concentrate in school with his allergies acting up either. It is not fair for him to miss too many days of school because someone brought in a dog for dog service. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

08-25-2009, 09:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 24,077 Blog Entries: 3	Since I am not austistic, I cant say what's right or wrong for the the children. No opinion on this one. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

08-25-2009, 10:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	Allergies in and of themselves are not a disability. It is uncommon for an allergy to be disabling. Several people in my family, including me, have life-threatening allergies. They are not disabling. Depends on the individual, so allergies CAN be disabling, but just because a kid is allergic to dogs, doesn't mean he's disabled. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-25-2009, 11:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	so you think they should allow dogs in the school? allergy related asthma is disabling... you really can't function without breathing They are banning peanuts from school (because it is sticky and deathly for some kids) people did fine without dogs in schools, no need to start it now. If a blind person need help around the school, then the school should should accommodate him without dogs.. if a deaf person need a help, then the school should accommodate him without dogs as well. leave the dog for outside of school. 8 hours in the same classroom with a dog will make my son really sick. he is often loaded with steroid and antibodies anyhow. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

08-25-2009, 11:34 PM	#13 (permalink)
CJB deafblind writer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 1,425	Exactly. A Deaf person doesn't need a dog in a school environment because there will be plenty of hearing people who would react to any sounds. The Deaf person would be able to tell something was wrong right away. A blind person can use a long white cane at school. In fact this is probably more favorable since a cane doesn't need to go to the bathroom or need to be fed. Accommodations for people with disabilities can be made without bringing service animals into the picture. I just don't think service animals are a good idea in a school environment, especially in grade school when a certain portion of the class will most likely lack the maturity level to deal with an animal in the classroom.

08-26-2009, 10:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	I support the use of service dogs that are task-trained and there to mitigate the handler's disability IF and ONLY if the handler is capable of making the decisions and exercising the judgment necessary to handle the dog independently - withOUT a trainer or parent present. Typically a child under the age of 16 really doesn't have these skills. The laws are written to protect those with disabilities and to give them more equal access to services. It gives them the opportunity to go about daily life more independently. Using a service dog is a choice that the law supports. Regarding allergy-related asthma. Determining whether or not a condition is disabling is done on a case-by-case basis. If the condition is successfully managed with the use of medication or other means so that the person can function withOUT limitations, it is not disabling. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-26-2009, 11:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	well it is bad enough that children HAVE go to school no matter what (mandatory that they have to go all day for 5 days a week, so it is not like we have a choice)...They can't have pet allergies on top of that. You have NO idea how hard it is get asthma under control even with medication and most of the time allergy medicine do not work with eczema and asthma.. it is a totally different issue from allergy. They have to depend on steroid on those things and hope for the best that it will settle down.. but the inflammatory will not settle down until whatever it is triggering it is removed. I hope they don't force dogs in school __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

08-26-2009, 11:41 AM	#16 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	Please don't pass judgment on me. You do not know what type of medical conditions I struggle with. Yes, I do know, unfortunately. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-26-2009, 11:45 AM	#17 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	then why you want to expose my son around dogs? his asthma is allergic asthma? I want him to go to school to learn, not to suffer. (btw, there are deaf people at his school so there is a high chance they will bring dogs to school if the court decide it is ok) __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

08-26-2009, 11:50 AM	#19 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	Is your son's school considering allowing a dog inside? If not, then the issue is moot. The school would have to accommodate your son and the child who needs the dog. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-26-2009, 11:51 AM	#20 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	no, but it could.. you know how poeple love dogs btw, if you think a dog should not be in the classroom, then what the point of bring it in the first place. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

08-26-2009, 11:58 AM	#21 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	I don't get to decide whether or not dogs go into classrooms. I don't think dogs belong in classrooms tethered to children, no. With the amount of media attention these cases are getting, I think the laws are going to have to be re-written and policies changed. I believe that developmentally delayed and disabled children can benefit from a highly trained pet or Emotional Support Animal. I don't think tying the child to a dog 24/7 is the answer. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-26-2009, 12:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	I can tell you one thing, I think many parents with allergy related asthma children (and other type of allergies that distract their children from learning) will not like it. as long it is out the classroom and outdoor, then I'm fine with it. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

08-26-2009, 12:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
OpheliaSpeaks CrackBerry 8320 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 225	Yes, that dog has been going to school in the classroom tethered to the little boy since Monday. The school isn't happy about it. As I'm sure you're aware, it is possible for those with allergies to have reactions even without the animal being present. Allergens are sticky and they travel on people's clothes. While I agree that this is no match for having the dog in the classroom, it is something that an attorney would likely bring up. __________________ Bead Lavada Uniquely creative. Jewelry to benefit a variety of causes. An Amazing Tail I'm getting a service dog! Please visit my website.

08-26-2009, 12:30 PM	#25 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,323	I know. Some kids come in to school covered with dog hair. Having a dog in the classroom would just build it up.dogs lick, shed, etc (my son always break out in eczema and hives when a dog lick him) you can have alittle bit of pollen or whole bunch of pollen which why some of us get extremely sick during high pollen count __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

08-26-2009, 05:51 PM	#26 (permalink)
FireTiger Panthera tigris phenoixi Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Arl, Jax, NE-FL, SE-USA, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way Galaxy, Local Group, Universe A, Mutiverse 1 Posts: 73	Normal/traditional service dog training schools do not place dogs with children, (most children) mostly because a child lacks the coordination/attention/strength to be the sole caretaker of a dog. When Jack (Male Lab) went back to SEGI he weighed 75 lbs... and was 'ideal' weight.

08-26-2009, 08:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 7,495	Yes................an autism service dog is NOT a gotta have. If the kid is so impaired that nothing but a dog will help them calm down, then they need a very very specialized placement.

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