Do I have the right to refuse to use spoken english?

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Do I have the right to refuse to use spoken english and resort to only sign langauge and writing on paper even though I am fully capable of communicating verbally?

I've been looking all over trying to find the answers, but I have no clue.
 
MikeJ said:
Do I have the right to refuse to use spoken english and resort to only sign langauge and writing on paper even though I am fully capable of communicating verbally?

I've been looking all over trying to find the answers, but I have no clue.
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please do call ADA hotline about all of your issues. I strongly advise you to get a lawyer. You're not exactly making your situation any easier than it is. The longer you continue to do this, the bigger problem you will have.
 
Problem is I can't afford a lawyer. I have to pay $40 bucks a week to take this fucking 1 hour class and I want to make sure I'm getting everything out of it that I can. Isn't that what equal opportunity is about?
 
MikeJ said:
Problem is I can't afford a lawyer. I have to pay $40 bucks a week to take this fucking 1 hour class and I want to make sure I'm getting everything out of it that I can. Isn't that what equal opportunity is about?
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As I advised in another thread, contact the NAD's legal dept.
 
MikeJ said:
Problem is I can't afford a lawyer. I have to pay $40 bucks a week to take this fucking 1 hour class and I want to make sure I'm getting everything out of it that I can. Isn't that what equal opportunity is about?
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a court-appointed lawyer. again - call ADA Hotline for advice. it is free. hopefully they will send you pro-bono ADA lawyer
 
MikeJ said:
Problem is I can't afford a lawyer. I have to pay $40 bucks a week to take this fucking 1 hour class and I want to make sure I'm getting everything out of it that I can. Isn't that what equal opportunity is about?
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yes... a court-appointed lawyer is free. Pro-Bono lawyer is free as well. You never know unless you talk to them about it and pray that you'll get a free lawyer.
 
Who is making u use Spoken English? I think it should be your right.
 
Don't know about USA, but in South Africa it is in our constitution, you have the right to be addressed in your chosen language AS LONG AS IT IS OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF COUNTRY. We have 11, and SASL is semi-official 12th.
My suggestion is, if it is important to you to have ASL upheld and recognized as official language, keep using it.
 
Although you have your rights, it's also important to be reasonable.

Here's an example of a deaf person being unreasonable...

This woman is deaf. She doesn't have clear speech. No one can understand her. Not even a skilled lipreader can understand her. She walks up to the front counter at a local Taco Bell. When she tries to order her food, the cashier cannot understand her. He asks her to repeat. She gets upset and accuses the cashier of being ignorant. The cashier decides to give her a piece of paper and pen so that she can write down her order. She gets upset again cuz she feels insulted that she was asked to write on paper and pen. A hearing woman behind her offers to interpret for her (she's an interpreter at a local college). She gets upset again saying that she never asked for an interpreter and that she can do fine on her own. She says that she has a right to order any way she wants.

Now, was she being reasonable? We can't expect Plan A to go our way. If Plan A doesn't work, be willing to accept Plan B or Plan C.

That's how it is with requesting accommodations with your employer. You shouldn't be very demanding and the ADA does require them to give you "reasonable" accommodations. So, don't be too unreasonable. "I want that T-coil set up in my office!" "I want an interpreter sitting next to me at all times!" "I demand C-print along with my interpreter in all meetings!" That's too much.
 
MikeJ said:
Do I have the right to refuse to use spoken english and resort to only sign langauge and writing on paper even though I am fully capable of communicating verbally?

I've been looking all over trying to find the answers, but I have no clue.
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Remmy It's free country, You don't have to use your voice. Why should u worry. It doesn't matter if you speak so well and suddenly, you decide to use ASL 100% on that day. Court or anyplace cannot force you to switch back to voice anyway.

I have done this before at the store :lol: ASL is consider a Foreign Language in some states. State of Kansas consider ASL as a Foreign Language like French, Spanish ect.. So if I happen to be at court, I can choose to use voice or ASL. There are no such law demands voice since that some deafie can't speak at all. I have a deaf friend who can't speak normal. She squeal and sqeaks alot when trying to talk. Often, fast food, store and many other place when I was with her in her group. She always write down what she order or want. Sometime she asked me to interprete to voice for her cuz I was the only guy in the group who speaks well.

Catty
 
VamPyroX said:
Although you have your rights, it's also important to be reasonable.

Here's an example of a deaf person being unreasonable...

This woman is deaf. She doesn't have clear speech. No one can understand her. Not even a skilled lipreader can understand her. She walks up to the front counter at a local Taco Bell. When she tries to order her food, the cashier cannot understand her. He asks her to repeat. She gets upset and accuses the cashier of being ignorant. The cashier decides to give her a piece of paper and pen so that she can write down her order. She gets upset again cuz she feels insulted that she was asked to write on paper and pen. A hearing woman behind her offers to interpret for her (she's an interpreter at a local college). She gets upset again saying that she never asked for an interpreter and that she can do fine on her own. She says that she has a right to order any way she wants.

Now, was she being reasonable? We can't expect Plan A to go our way. If Plan A doesn't work, be willing to accept Plan B or Plan C.

That's how it is with requesting accommodations with your employer. You shouldn't be very demanding and the ADA does require them to give you "reasonable" accommodations. So, don't be too unreasonable. "I want that T-coil set up in my office!" "I want an interpreter sitting next to me at all times!" "I demand C-print along with my interpreter in all meetings!" That's too much.
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She is not reasonable.. I've heard other deaf did the same. They need to be flexible and be willing to do different methods of communicate so one can understand clearly. She refused to try different method of communication. How sad it is.

Be nice if one can get a taste of it through "mind swap" and understand why hearing people had hard time understanding her if she refuse to try out other communication methods.

Catty
 
there is so no things as written ASL (excpet for ASL poetry at Gally). ASl is like a spoken language and our written language is English.
 
DURAY said:
there is so no things as written ASL (excpet for ASL poetry at Gally). ASl is like a spoken language and our written language is English.
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I have seen book written in ASL. So there are written ASL language.. Just FYI

Catty
 
yes, at deaf schools and the departmen where Jacobowtiz, Bienvenue, etc worked.
Might world for the deaf world, but inthe hearing world, this won't get you promoted.

purplecatty said:
I have seen book written in ASL. So there are written ASL language.. Just FYI

Catty
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DURAY said:
there is so no things as written ASL (excpet for ASL poetry at Gally). ASl is like a spoken language and our written language is English.
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When the OP referred to ASL or writing with pen and paper, he was referrring to written English, not written ASL. He was asking about his right to refuse spoken English, not written English.
 
Did you make it clear to your employer as to your preferences for communicating prior to taking the job? Talk to them! If there is no cooperation, then you are advised to seek a legal course.
 
I look over this issue...

Since June 2008 at same time with FCC issue with 10 digits numbers has passed...

It similar with that part but point is June 2008 they modify the ADA laws to clarify....

If a employee that cannot being forced by "spoken" due not able to hear their own voice or so on. However; we do provide access communicate is write paper or make post card or whatever to make all EASIER!

It doesn't matter because the company have rights.. it used to be company rights due in past ADA laws doesn't explain very specific and detial until now in June 2008 make specific and detial of their and our rights.

If they want customer be happy then employee is happy.. if customer is not happy then employee is not happy therefore that company isn't happy. So therefore it need make solution to be happy again.
 
MikeJ said:
Do I have the right to refuse to use spoken english and resort to only sign langauge and writing on paper even though I am fully capable of communicating verbally?

I've been looking all over trying to find the answers, but I have no clue.
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You are entitled to do as you wish, but there are no such rights outlined in the constitution. Most people confuse entitlements and rights mixed up to no end :)
 
Depends on a lot of things. I tend to like to get what I want and am not always reasonable.

A doctor once refused to let any of my family go in with me so my daughter told him she was my interpreter. We used ASL the whole time and I never spoke once.

Worked great.
 
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