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Old 03-15-2006, 07:16 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Sweetmind, if you do not like audist people, how comes you are writing so good for the hearing world?

Without hearing world, there is no written language but ASL.....
Don't start that discussion with her. I once noted that her spelling improved so well over a few posts that I congratulated her with finding help.
Turned out this was absolutely untrue (So I was mistaken) and resulted in me getting banned from the message board. (HILTER was also involved, but that's another great story!)

So be carefull where you go.
Sweetminds spelling and typing very much depend on her mood!
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Old 03-15-2006, 07:45 AM   #152 (permalink)
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Too bad she didn't have a hearing dog with her.

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Huh? Her death has nothing do with deafness. There're many hearing who are also killed by traffic accident etc.., too.
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:02 AM   #153 (permalink)
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Huh? Her death has nothing do with deafness. There're many hearing who are also killed by traffic accident etc.., too.
She didn't hear the train or its whistle. Hearing people can hear the train coming, so they have a chance to escape. She didn't hear the train, so she didn't have a chance to get out of the way.
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:07 AM   #154 (permalink)
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She didn't hear the train or its whistle. Hearing people can hear the train coming, so they have a chance to escape. She didn't hear the train, so she didn't have a chance to get out of the way.

What's wrong with eyes? She can read "warning signal" and wait then ....

Here in Germany no! German is stricter about traffic law.

We show our respect on traffic red signal and wait until green signal then walk cross... We will pay penalty fine if police caught us ignore red signal.

As what you said that hearing people disrespect red signal and just hear the train coming then escape... This is disrespectful and senseless... Children learn their bad examples which it's no good.
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:15 AM   #155 (permalink)
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What's wrong with eyes? She can read "warning signal" and wait then ....
What warning signal? The train approached her from behind. She wasn't crossing the tracks, she was walking next to the tracks, parallel with them.


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Here in Germany no! German is stricter about traffic law.
Well, it is against the law to walk on or near train tracks here, too, but people ignore the laws.
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:17 AM   #156 (permalink)
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What's wrong with eyes? She can read "warning signal" and wait then ....

Here in Germany no! German is stricter about traffic law.

We show our respect on traffic red signal and wait until green signal then walk cross... We will pay penalty fine if police caught us ignore red signal.

As what you said that hearing people disrespect red signal and just hear the train coming then escape... This is disrespectful and senseless... Children learn their bad examples which it's no good.
Liebling, have you ever seen the America rails?
This is how deaf lady walked by the rail...
We the taxpayers do not need to pay safety light signals every 1/2 mile. I am sure that your German state is smaller and limited trains than U.S. has...
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:46 AM   #157 (permalink)
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Liebling, have you ever seen the America rails?
This is how deaf lady walked by the rail...
We the taxpayers do not need to pay safety light signals every 1/2 mile. I am sure that your German state is smaller and limited trains than U.S. has...

Yes we have similar rail in countryside here in Germany. We don't have safety light signals every 1/2 mile but we people have our eyes... We know we should not cross the rail... The people who choose to walk on the rail is careless...

I just found out from Alex's thread that deaf lady is busy with pager while she is on rail. She should watch left and right before cross the rail instead of consider to pager.
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Old 03-15-2006, 11:18 AM   #158 (permalink)
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Too bad she didn't have a hearing dog with her.

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I concur. Also, what's odd is that she didn't feel the vibrations from the train. This is also my second way of hearing sounds like this.
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Old 03-15-2006, 11:30 AM   #159 (permalink)
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It will be too much distraction for deafies in the classroom while dog doesn't sit still like a statue.
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Snickers lays very still. We've been in restaurants where people, when they see Snickers come out from under the table, remark they didn't know there was a dog in the business.
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You can get the prescription for a companion dog from the Doctor who is willing to do it for you.
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No, the doctor has nothing to do with any of it. If a dog comes from a program school, yes. Otherwise, no. I have documentation with my audiologist that I do, indeed, have a hearing loss, but I do NOT have that paperwork with me, nor is it required under The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. I do not have any paperwork that says Snickers is my hearing dog. If a business has a problem with that, then the police are called and they are in violation of Federal law.

Sweetmind, you sound like your life is run by hearies . . . is it? If you're deaf/hoh, act like it and stand up for yourself and not let a hearie tell you what to do. Works for me!
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Old 03-15-2006, 11:40 AM   #160 (permalink)
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Hey sweetmind, you're strongly beliefts d/Deaf..

I can understand but you have to respect other disbibities who cannot walk or other kind reasons their health.. need have hearing dog..

Will you mind please back off.. you cannot rights critizite to them about hearing dog and attend anywhere places includes school.

None of your frigg'n mind business..
Can you mind please zip yer mouth shut.
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Old 03-15-2006, 11:48 AM   #161 (permalink)
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I have a hearing dog and am proud of it. You drop your keys you go ahead and search for them cause when I drop mine I know instantly and I don't have to spend hours looking for them. When an ambulance suddenly turns up behind me I know it before it gets there and have ample time to pull over. Using my hearing dog is my life choice and I love it. When the baby wakes up I know it instantly. Don't need a monitor that I can't hear, got one with four legs that comes gets me. Not to mention that with his bright orange vest it is announcing I'm hearing impaired. I'm not hiding anything. For those of you that don't have a hearing dog and don't want one, I don't mind. So, why should you mind if I have one? My dog is better behaved than most people's kids. And, until we leave a table, most people don't even know he is there. The ADA says I have the right to work with a service dog and their laws apply to everyone, even deaf people who disagree with my right to have him. So quit squawking and get over it. Having my hearing dog doesn't make me any less deaf, just makes it easier for me to function. My choice, my right and I exercise that right freely.

I hope Sweetmind will listen to this, but I doubt anything will penatrate her thick skull. I think she's a hearie imho. The only exception, LuvsInk, is that I don't cape Snickers. I have found that when she is either caped or not, people want to pet her and even then, they don't listen. <<sigh>> I get the nonverbal message that I'm a snob when I say "no petting" no matter who it is. I'd like to ask them sometime if I could pet their children, just to see what they'd say.

As for hearing dogs behaving better than children . . . I concur on that one! Shortly after my bankruptcy was discharged in 2001, I had Snickers with me at the mall, which was one of the first times she started as my hearing dog. We were actually shopping for a leather jacket at Wilsons Leather, when the saleslady told me, "Your dog acts better than most kids that come in my store." For that remark, I bought a jacket. You see, I had been looking for one for years that didn't make me look like a burnout or a drug dealer and found one I really liked. The saleslady's remark also made my day, as I still get that same kind of response from people, especially in retail and in restaurants. Shoot! Snickers is so quiet that no one knows she is there. Furthermore, this is how I trained her to be.
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Old 03-15-2006, 11:52 AM   #162 (permalink)
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I concur. Also, what's odd is that she didn't feel the vibrations from the train. This is also my second way of hearing sounds like this.
"Gene Mirus, a deaf studies instructor at the nation's leading university for the hearing-impaired, Gallaudet University, told the Statesman that many deaf people who think they can detect approaching trains by their vibrations are mistaken."
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Old 03-15-2006, 11:53 AM   #163 (permalink)
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LMM have been to ER for last month quite offten.. Most ER Dr. know she have Amel.. Some don't.. Now when dr come in room, They are inform that Amel is on side of bed.. Because the few that didn't know she was there step on her. She never move when they step on her. She looks at them as "Hello! I'm here." This why now they make sure the Dr & Nurse know she is there.
When she have going, Kids & parnets think Amel is a pet dog. Ask question what is a dog doing in here? She can't bring dog in here, I'm alegic to dog's.
This when the Lady at desk explain to people Amel is a service dog. She have every right being here. Here's a mask if you are alegic to dogs, Don't sit/stand by dog.

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Edited : No one is gonna to make me for not what I am that is what they want me to do all the time. I am not a dog to follow your or their oral sides only if you dont mind..


Mind your own damn business whatever I can feel to speak it freely with my own expression feelings that is very honest for me to feel. I am not gonna to pretend everything is so good about Audist attitude people. MIND YOU! You have no right to tell me what to do what I think or I feel that when a hearing teacher does that to deafies in their writings because they couldnt express anything because we all are wrong wrong wrong that is a huge problem of being self centered of theirs. No wonder many d/deaf/ HOH oralists have their English written problem because they couldnt able to do anything how they feels or thinks of our own opinions. That's explain that we dont like the feeling you are being so control over me and my feelings and thoughts.. TOUGH LUCK !!!

Sighs! That reminds me of a man from germany, or from Iraq s attitudes. boy it IS so much alike audist attitude people.

What a pretentious airhead you are! You can be pissed all you want to, but no one has to put up with your attitude.
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LMM have been to ER for last month quite offten.. Most ER Dr. know she have Amel.. Some don't.. Now when dr come in room, They are inform that Amel is on side of bed.. Because the few that didn't know she was there step on her. She never move when they step on her. She looks at them as "Hello! I'm here." This why now they make sure the Dr & Nurse know she is there.
When she have going, Kids & parnets think Amel is a pet dog. Ask question what is a dog doing in here? She can't bring dog in here, I'm alegic to dog's.
This when the Lady at desk explain to people Amel is a service dog. She have every right being here. Here's a mask if you are alegic to dogs, Don't sit/stand by dog.

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I hope you're feeling better. I'm going to put you on my prayer list today so you can get better. I hope it's not serious. Feel free to pm.
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"Gene Mirus, a deaf studies instructor at the nation's leading university for the hearing-impaired, Gallaudet University, told the Statesman that many deaf people who think they can detect approaching trains by their vibrations are mistaken."
http://www.click2houston.com/news/80...s=hou&psp=news
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What do you think? I think the good doctor is so educated he has forgotten about reality. She had to have felt the vibration from the train.
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What do you think? I think the good doctor is so educated he has forgotten about reality. She had to have felt the vibration from the train.
Not necessarily if she wasn't actually on the tracks. She was walking on the outside of the tracks.

Care to try an experiment?
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I bet you would require for the trained dog or probably a miniature pot-belly pig which has higher intelligent than any dog.
LOLAFOTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mookie, I think pot bellied pigs are smarter than some of the people I know!! Thanks for the laugh today!!
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Not necessarily if she wasn't actually on the tracks. She was walking on the outside of the tracks.

Care to try an experiment?
I'll call your bluff, Reba.

YES!! And that is my final answer.
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Old 03-15-2006, 01:05 PM   #170 (permalink)
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That's why doctors have a degree to back up their claims.
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Old 03-15-2006, 06:37 PM   #171 (permalink)
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No kidding!!! So what about it? It means nothing to me because it doesnt mean they know everything about us deafies and our deaf ears 100 percent in their heart, I find this is so funny to hear this.

Are you telling me that I have to go to many different doctor for my deafness all the time?? They already knew I am definitely legally deaf. Why bother to go there for the purpose of having a deafness all your lives? We are not having the disease for being deaf or a legally deaf itself. It doesnt make any sense that they have the right to experiment on d/Deaf children like a guinea pig or puppet that teach them is something wrong with the deafness as they think it s bad to be a legally deaf. I think not because there is nothing wrong with my deafness if you mind. I am just legally deaf that I have to accept and face the reality. As you think that there is nothing you can do about it after all you think Doctor knows everything that makes you are a functional hearing. Wow! oooo That gives me a real goose bump all over me with the whole bunch of hives skin. Thats so shockable for me. No wonder it makes a tripled disabled person.

Also, I had been going to see doctors all the time because of infection , verigo and nausea issues.. Guess what they cannot find the solution to heal it when I was a young teenage. It goes away by itself. Sometimes it gets me into a flashback to feel this way while I am wearing HA.

HA destroys my middle ear canal on my right side of ear because they put "the overrated of hearing loss levels. I quit last 8 years ago because it s not worthwhile for not having the two ways of streets in this society anyhow. Anyway, I have to live my own sufferings from audist attitude people because they did damaged my right ear from the start. At that time, I was wearing Headphone sets that has a volume on it in the classrooms. That volume does not even match my level of my hearing loss that gives me the real pain from the sounds. The sounds is part of noise pollution as well as I am still hearing all kind of sound noise inside of my ear that is very painful and very annoyance noise that I am still hearing all that different kind of noise. Audist Attitude people doesn't know anything the real fact about the deafness. No one will be able to define or repair our pains that comes from the sound itself that destroy my right ear badly. So therefore I should not been paying for those Deaf Accessories for my needs that they did it to me with their own way of Medical thinking to add this up all those years. After all I am disabled because of functional hearing people dont have any respect for our deafness.

Overall that bullshit in Medical issue shows my left ear has been left alone that doesnt cause me any problem because I have a very stoned deaf on my left ear. Thank goodness! Now tells me what you see between my left ear and right ear that shows me the answer.

It also makes my eye shakey cuz of too noisy around me. That's where I lost my focus on everything that should not be happens. As far as I am still getting some shakey eyes sometimes that is very painful without HA. So therefore I am disabled for being destroy my hearing residual and my nerve eye by professional.

I feel that I do not deserve to pay all those medical that relates the deafness because they want to conform you as a hearing person. Scoffs! Thats not what the Medical purpose is for d/Deaf children 's true identity to be destroyed. Like I said, NO harm on d/Deaf children from the MEDICAL that is required.

It hits me hard after I read a book called " Everybody can use their hands in Martha Vineyard" that I borrowed from a hearing American History teacher with an excellence ASL. Guess what Hearing people dont even notice they are deaf because they have no problem with their hands to communicate with. They treat deafies' equally human beings. At that time they did not have any Medical issue about the deafness to make a big deal out of it.

Also, There are so many children with HA or CI devices are legally deaf and need to have ASL at home and in school with or without orally speaking.. That would be their choices to make not by the parents or anybody who thinks their children 's body are their parent 's property that is not necessary.

What a very sad that I am receiving a very nonesense question!!!


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The reason is that I m using AUDIST ATTITUDE people because I m not giving the impression that it s ALL hearing are like that if you mind. There are some hearing people out there are so great people with a good attitude and doesnt treat d/Deaf children like what audist attitude people did. It s not my responsibility to worry about you as individual s feelings because it is YOURS not mine. So there! So that way Hearing people can see the difference between Hearing/Deaf people and Hearing/deaf Oralism people. It shows that I am not talking about ALL hearing or deafies because I have my hearing friends, families, workers, hearing stranger people that I dont know, d/Deaf schoolmate, d/Deaf friends, d/Deaf Blind people, d/Deaf students and you name it all , that is who I love very much wi