Take the Piano thud test! What's the highest frequency you properly hear?

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deafdude1 said:
She probably has way better low frequency hearing and probably has more powerful HAs than you. I could never hear enough to use the phone but at this point it doesn't matter anymore with the internet.
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Umm. What I had in mind were the last six highest pitched keys on the piano. I had no problems hearing lower fequencies but higher ones were difficult for me to hear.

Now I wonder if the deaf woman had the highest pitched keys or the lowest pitched keys in mind.
 
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sometimes even i dont know what the heck deafdude's on about so if he has no clue what your saying then dont worry, he likes to believe what he thinks is correct. this is not meant to be offensive deafdude
 
Hear Again said:
From what my audi told me, the electrodes themselves stimulate certain parts of the cochlea, but you can also redirect them to other adjacent electrodes if one or more are turned off.

In other words, the electrodes that have been turned off (in my case, 6 high frequency electrodes) are programmed to stimulate the low and middle frequency electrodes. This means that instead of the low and middle frequency electrodes only stimulating these frequencies, they also stimulate the areas of the cochlea that produce high frequencies. If I remember correctly, this is called "pairing."

My audi also said I was lucky everything worked out as well as it did in the end because I could have ended up with worse hearing/speech discrimination and/or muddied/distorted sound.

Fortunately for me, the opposite was true. Everything I hear (speech, environmental sounds, music) is as clear as a bell and exactly as I remember before I started wearing hearing aids.

I don't know if what I've written makes any sense, but it's the way I understand it according to what my audi told me. :giggle:
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I know the electrodes are arranged in the cochlea from base to apex. Can an electrode from the apex still stimulate any part of the cochlea or only that part where the electrode is physically located? If so, can't people with CI be able to hear down to 20Hz like hearing people? Or do you still need an electrode in that portion of the cochlea?

Alternativately, do adjacant electrodes do double duty to compenstate for disabled electrodes? Can they send an electrical pulse far enough to stimulate the cochlea in the area where the disabled electrode resided? So your low and mid frequency electrodes can send a pulse far, far up to the base of the cochlea and still indirectly stimulate the high frequencies? Can they do the same so youd have *some* ability to hear very low frequencies like bass music or the humming of the fan? It's what id like to have when/if I get CI.

Hear Again said:
That's what I told my audi. :giggle:

Also keep in mind that the only frequency I can't hear with my left CI is 8K.

With my right CI I'm able to hear 8K at 70 dB. That's still hearing, so this means I'm able to hear high frequencies. I just don't hear them at 20-30 dB like most other CI users.
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70db doesn't seem like much. Unaided I am about that and I don't hear 99.9% of the environmental sounds out there. I guess I could still say im "hearing" unaided but it's so little that it's pretty much deaf. I need to get down to 20-30db aided in order to hear plenty.

deafskeptic said:
Umm. What I had in mind were the last six highest pitched keys on the piano. I had no problems hearing lower fequencies but higher ones were difficult for me to hear.

Now I wonder if the deaf woman had the highest pitched keys or the lowest pitched keys in mind.
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It's common for deaf people not to properly hear the highs. I also have no problem hearing lower frequencies but some deaf people have more low frequency residual hearing than I do. For example, I scored a 72% speech comphrension on an online speech test. This lady scored a 95% on the same test despite also having no high frequency hearing. She has 20db more low frequency hearing than me so she hears much louder and better than I. It's why I am having my HAs reprogrammed for more amplification so things aren't so quiet and my parents stop saying I talk too loud. I don't talk loud but my parents hear things much louder than I do.

Actually when I first got those new HAs, they said I was talking normally. Now they say I talk too loud. Perhaps my brain got used to it? Perhaps my hearing got worse? Ill find out when my dad returns from Israel where he went to visit family.
 
I don't think my speakers are any good. I couldn't hear anything.

If I get over to one of my daughter's homes, I will try to remember to ask if I can try it on one of their computers.
 
deafdude1 said:
I know the electrodes are arranged in the cochlea from base to apex. Can an electrode from the apex still stimulate any part of the cochlea or only that part where the electrode is physically located? If so, can't people with CI be able to hear down to 20Hz like hearing people? Or do you still need an electrode in that portion of the cochlea?

Alternativately, do adjacant electrodes do double duty to compenstate for disabled electrodes? Can they send an electrical pulse far enough to stimulate the cochlea in the area where the disabled electrode resided? So your low and mid frequency electrodes can send a pulse far, far up to the base of the cochlea and still indirectly stimulate the high frequencies? Can they do the same so youd have *some* ability to hear very low frequencies like bass music or the humming of the fan? It's what id like to have when/if I get CI.




70db doesn't seem like much. Unaided I am about that and I don't hear 99.9% of the environmental sounds out there. I guess I could still say im "hearing" unaided but it's so little that it's pretty much deaf. I need to get down to 20-30db aided in order to hear plenty.




It's common for deaf people not to properly hear the highs. I also have no problem hearing lower frequencies but some deaf people have more low frequency residual hearing than I do. For example, I scored a 72% speech comphrension on an online speech test. This lady scored a 95% on the same test despite also having no high frequency hearing. She has 20db more low frequency hearing than me so she hears much louder and better than I. It's why I am having my HAs reprogrammed for more amplification so things aren't so quiet and my parents stop saying I talk too loud. I don't talk loud but my parents hear things much louder than I do.

Actually when I first got those new HAs, they said I was talking normally. Now they say I talk too loud. Perhaps my brain got used to it? Perhaps my hearing got worse? Ill find out when my dad returns from Israel where he went to visit family.
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All of my HAs have been analogs cuz my dad (and later me) wanted to save money on HAs.
 
deafdude,

I really cannot answer any of your questions because I'm not familiar with the technicalities of how CIs work. All I know is what my audi explained to me about electrodes last week. Perhaps john57 could chime in since he seems to have a great deal of knowledge in this area.

You may not think that 70 dB is alot of hearing, but I wouldn't minimize the value of it. 70 dB is enough hearing to give me information about extremely high frequencies which is certainly better than not being able to hear them at all. If I had to pick between hearing 8K at 70 dB vs. not hearing it at all, I'll gladly take 70 dB.

Besides, there is nothing I can do to improve my dB at that frequency nor do I care to. I even told my audi last week that I didn't want her touching my maps and to leave everything as is. She laughed and said "Don't worry. I won't change a thing." :giggle:
 
deafdude,

The difference between you and I is the fact that I'm able to hear low frequencies with my CIs starting at 10-15 dB, middle frequencies at 20 dB and high frequencies at 30-70 dB. I think that would make quite a difference between what I can hear in terms of environmental sounds vs. what you can hear.

Furthermore, CIs and HAs sound different. You have a profound loss in which your hearing aids create a certain level of distortion. I, on the other hand, have CIs which provide a great deal of clarity that allows me to hear all kinds of environmental sounds including a coin dropping on a tile floor.
 
Took the Piano test. I can hear every single key. The low frequency keys sounds a little weird, like it has a vibration tone to it. I need a new map anyways to fix the lows because it has lately sounded weird for certain sounds. The higher octaves I can hear without a problem, but my computer fans are interfering. Also, i had the high frequencies lowered, so it probably doesn't sound as "loud" as it used to be.
 
If I would have taken this test with my previous map that utilized all of the electrodes, every high frequency would have sounded like a piano that was not properly tuned. When I heard each note being played today from low to high, they all sounded exactly like I remember before I wore hearing aids.
 
I wanted to thank you guys for participating in this fun test. I am gonna try it on a notebook, will have to ask if my bro has his with him and see how it compares to my score on the desktop. How faint was the piano? Were some keys louder than others? Did some adjacant keys sound identical? Did the highest key sound properly and was the sound like a whistle?

Keep the results comming in. So far I can conclude that those with CIs can hear all the higher keys and I assume so can hearing people. I am curious how the rest of you guys do and aren't you guys curious as well, especially where your cochlear dead regions reside? I was surprised how quickly the volume drops above 932Hz, are others experiencing a such thing after a certain frequency?
 
deafdude1 said:
I wanted to thank you guys for participating in this fun test. I am gonna try it on a notebook, will have to ask if my bro has his with him and see how it compares to my score on the desktop. How faint was the piano? Were some keys louder than others? Did some adjacant keys sound identical? Did the highest key sound properly and was the sound like a whistle?

Keep the results comming in. So far I can conclude that those with CIs can hear all the higher keys and I assume so can hearing people. I am curious how the rest of you guys do and aren't you guys curious as well, especially where your cochlear dead regions reside? I was surprised how quickly the volume drops above 932Hz, are others experiencing a such thing after a certain frequency?
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In the higher frequencies - it did sound a little faint, but you have to remember that I had my CI's mapped out that way...the higher frequencies sounds faint to ME, but I can still hear it.

Another thing you have to account in is the fact that I can still hear my computer fan running (I have a pretty powerful laptop), when I'm taking the test. It doesn't work like that when I have a full size piano in front of me. The lower frequencies sounds like a piano out of tune, but I attribute this to needing a new map, especially for the lows.
 
LadySekhmet said:
In the higher frequencies - it did sound a little faint, but you have to remember that I had my CI's mapped out that way...the higher frequencies sounds faint to ME, but I can still hear it.
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All of my high frequencies have been turned down several notches as well and I noticed the same thing in regards to volume.

Then again, lower frequencies are stronger than higher frequencies.

High frequencies are weaker than lower frequencies, so it makes sense that they would sound softer.
 
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