I'm picking up on large hearing aid providers who train their employees to lie purposefully to their customers.

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Some are fired for refusing to be dishonest putting customers first instead of the dollar.
Does anyone know about such greedy practices?
They even replace audiologists with newbies still under training who are told to click auto-adjust and tell them thats all you'll get and its impossible you had it in the first place even thought you had it before. If you respond, they'll flush you out since you're only the few who knows the truth.
Can you see that dishonesty?
Help me learn about such dishonesty providers practice here in this topic.
 

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some were told to lie that you need hearing aids when you don't .
If one don't need hearing aids, tell them they need them.
Audiologist get fired and replaced with hearing aid instruments specialists which is cheap and can easily be trained to lie for profit.
profit comes first before customers.
One audiologist told me I need CI and go away. I did fine with hearing aids for 60 years till this audio lied to me cause she didn't want me back.
greedy
 

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"One audiologist told me I need CI and go away. I did fine with hearing aids for 60 years till this audio lied to me cause she didn't want me back.
greedy"

If the audiologist told you to go away (and get a CI) that is not being greedy because s/he would no longer be gettng $$ from you.

Have you bothered to get evaluated for a CI? Maybe you've reached the point of maxing out HAs and they're no longer an option for your hearing loss.
 

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"One audiologist told me I need CI and go away. I did fine with hearing aids for 60 years till this audio lied to me cause she didn't want me back.
greedy"

If the audiologist told you to go away (and get a CI) that is not being greedy because s/he would no longer be gettng $$ from you.

Have you bothered to get evaluated for a CI? Maybe you've reached the point of maxing out HAs and they're no longer an option for your hearing loss.
I've maxed out for 60 years. I get along fine in maxed out mode. The problem with non audiologist is that there not many of those that use max out mode. some hearing aids includes power for that reason. Some are afraid to toy in the high power modes. Phonak target programmer app knows my hearing chart and the auto feedback reduces power 25% for no reason. Some say auto feedback gave them the results. Great audiologist say auto feedback don't work well. I trust those that do manual programming . I don't trust those that use one click auto programming and say thats the most they can give you. They have no clue how to do it manually . Just turn the damn volume dial to the right to increase the volume . IHS can't even do that. I trust audios to tell me maybe drilling holes in my head with Black & Decker drills might not me a great idea if its unnecessary.
 

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"drilling holes in my head with Black & Decker drills might not me a great idea if its unnecessary." Hmm, they only drill a hole in the tiny bone that is protecting your cochlear in order to thread the tiny wires through it and into your cochlear. The part that is above your ear is under the scalp, no drilling is done, though some doctors might create a shallow crater to place the part on the skull.

Maybe you should do more research on cochlear implants. Seems like you've been reading misinformation.
 

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Either way, it's a choice and if a person doesn't want CI's...that's it. They don't need more information, persuasion, or are somehow wrong. Their bodies. That's it. No to an elective surgery, in general. I respect their choice. People getting snarky on here about the minutia are missing the overall point, imo.
 

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Either way, it's a choice and if a person doesn't want CI's...that's it. They don't need more information, persuasion, or are somehow wrong. Their bodies. That's it. No to an elective surgery, in general. I respect their choice. People getting snarky on here about the minutia are missing the overall point, imo.
I agree it's his choice, but he should be basing his choice on accurate information...and not be spreading misinformation that could affect other's choice.
 

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"drilling holes in my head with Black & Decker drills might not me a great idea if its unnecessary." Hmm, they only drill a hole in the tiny bone that is protecting your cochlear in order to thread the tiny wires through it and into your cochlear. The part that is above your ear is under the scalp, no drilling is done, though some doctors might create a shallow crater to place the part on the skull.

Maybe you should do more research on cochlear implants. Seems like you've been reading misinformation.
Maybe I should look it up. Let see, together:

"Cochlear implant surgery is a generally safe procedure. However, it presents potential risks, such as:

  • bleeding
  • swelling
  • ringing in the ear (tinnitus)
  • dizziness
  • infection at surgery site
  • dry mouth
  • taste changes
  • facial paralysis
  • balance issues
  • increased risk of meningitis
  • surgery to remove implant (due to infection) or fix defective implant"
 

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I agree it's his choice, but he should be basing his choice on accurate information...and not be spreading misinformation that could affect other's choice.
I hope all doctors explains all risks to you. Laws were made to inform folks on the risks of drugs. Laws protects people that didn't know.
Laws should be made to protect America from Trump's lies and that sort of things.
You make you sound risk free. Maybe you should be informed accurately. I saw drilling or curving away in the videos.
I would love to apologize to all if I insulted some but please explain why I should or should not.
 

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Maybe I should look it up. Let see, together:

"Cochlear implant surgery is a generally safe procedure. However, it presents potential risks, such as:

  • bleeding
  • swelling
  • ringing in the ear (tinnitus)
  • dizziness
  • infection at surgery site
  • dry mouth
  • taste changes
  • facial paralysis
  • balance issues
  • increased risk of meningitis
  • surgery to remove implant (due to infection) or fix defective implant"
The drilling is in a tiny bone in front of the cochlear - not into the skull. I assume the curving you saw was making a SMALL indentation in the skull. All surgeries have risks. The above risks are not common. I did have taste changes with one of my implant surgeries, but my taste came back to normal within a few months. I did not have any of the other items with either of my surgeries.
 

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I hope all doctors explains all risks to you. Laws were made to inform folks on the risks of drugs. Laws protects people that didn't know.
Laws should be made to protect America from Trump's lies and that sort of things.
You make you sound risk free. Maybe you should be informed accurately. I saw drilling or curving away in the videos.
I would love to apologize to all if I insulted some but please explain why I should or should not.
I never said it was risk free. I said they don't drill a hole in your head. The chances of any of those risks you listed are low or the problems do go away with time.

I was informed of the risks before I had my surgeries. I was not scared off by the risks. Being able to hear much better than I was hearing with HAs was well worth the slim chance of the any of those risks occurring.
 

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I agree it's his choice, but he should be basing his choice on accurate information...and not be spreading misinformation that could affect other's choice.
Is it a simplification? Sure. But not by that much and people thinking about getting one would know that; we're really tearing apart expressions now?

You thought the risks were worth it and I'm truly happy there were not many complications for you. That isn't the case for everyone; minimizing on either side would be doing this discussion a disservice.

You don't have to defend your choice; neither does he.
 
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Is it a simplification? Sure. But not by that much and people thinking about getting one would know that; we're really tearing apart expressions now?

You thought the risks were worth it and I'm truly happy there were not many complications for you. That isn't the case for everyone; minimizing on either side would be doing this discussion a disservice.

You don't have to defend your choice; neither does he.
I enjoyed watching "Switched at Birth" on Netflix: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1758772/
One deaf guy wasn't too happy his deaf father got CI. There were mixed emotions on who gets one and who don't want one. This guy didn't want one cause he was happy being deaf.
So , maybe here, someone is saying I'm so sorry your deaf. Its so sad. I don't know how I could live being deaf or oh my god, your deaf, thats awful. see my topic at: https://www.alldeaf.com/threads/what-things-should-you-not-say-to-a-deaf-person.135560/#post-2554168
So I guess everyone here is right in many ways.
On my side, I think folks or audiologists ought to let me be me instead of me be like them. The question I have is whats wrong with being deaf. Some on that TV show thought Deaf is great. some were ashamed. I'm deaf so I like me. What other choice to I have?
 
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