GOP Wants to Raise Taxes

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So, after going psycho during the debt ceiling increase and opposing any tax increases to the rich and threatening to destroy the country if that happens, the GOP is now cool with increasing taxes to the bottom 47% of American workers. You can't make this shit up. H Y P O C R I T E S


The Associated Press: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block


GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press – 2 days ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — News flash: Congressional Republicans want to raise your taxes. Impossible, right? GOP lawmakers are so virulently anti-tax, surely they will fight to prevent a payroll tax increase on virtually every wage-earner starting Jan. 1, right?
Apparently not.
Many of the same Republicans who fought hammer-and-tong to keep the George W. Bush-era income tax cuts from expiring on schedule are now saying a different "temporary" tax cut should end as planned. By their own definition, that amounts to a tax increase.
The tax break extension they oppose is sought by President Barack Obama. Unlike proposed changes in the income tax, this policy helps the 46 percent of all Americans who owe no federal income taxes but who pay a "payroll tax" on practically every dime they earn.
There are other differences as well, and Republicans say their stand is consistent with their goal of long-term tax policies that will spur employment and lend greater certainty to the economy.
"It's always a net positive to let taxpayers keep more of what they earn," says Rep. Jeb Hensarling, "but not all tax relief is created equal for the purposes of helping to get the economy moving again." The Texas lawmaker is on the House GOP leadership team.
The debate is likely to boil up in coming weeks as a special bipartisan committee seeks big deficit reductions and weighs which tax cuts are sacrosanct.
At issue is a tax that the vast majority of workers pay, but many don't recognize because they don't read, or don't understand their pay stubs. Workers normally pay 6.2 percent of their wages toward a tax designated for Social Security. Their employer pays an equal amount, for a total of 12.4 percent per worker.
As part of a bipartisan spending deal last December, Congress approved Obama's request to reduce the workers' share to 4.2 percent for one year; employers' rate did not change. Obama wants Congress to extend the reduction for an additional year. If not, the rate will return to 6.2 percent on Jan. 1.
Obama cited the payroll tax in his weekend radio and Internet address Saturday, when he urged Congress to work together on measures that help the economy and create jobs. "There are things we can do right now that will mean more customers for businesses and more jobs across the country. We can cut payroll taxes again, so families have an extra $1,000 to spend," he said.
Social Security payroll taxes apply only to the first $106,800 of a worker's wages. Therefore, $2,136 is the biggest benefit anyone can gain from the one-year reduction.
The great majority of Americans make less than $106,800 a year. Millions of workers pay more in payroll taxes than in federal income taxes.
The 12-month tax reduction will cost the government about $120 billion this year, and a similar amount next year if it's renewed.
That worries Rep. David Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, and a member of the House-Senate supercommittee tasked with finding new deficit cuts. Tax reductions, "no matter how well-intended," will push the deficit higher, making the panel's task that much harder, Camp's office said.
But Republican lawmakers haven't always worried about tax cuts increasing the deficit. They led the fight to extend the life of a much bigger tax break: the major 2001 income tax reduction enacted under Bush. It was scheduled to expire at the start of this year. Obama campaigned on a pledge to end the tax break only for the richest Americans, but solid GOP opposition forced him to back down.
Many Republicans are adamant about not raising taxes but largely silent on what it would mean to let the payroll tax break expire.
Republicans cite key differences between the two "temporary" taxes, starting with the fact that the Bush measure had a 10-year life from the start. To stimulate job growth, these lawmakers say, it's better to reduce income tax rates for people and for companies than to extend the payroll tax break.
"We don't need short-term gestures. We need long-term fundamental changes in our tax structure and our regulatory structure that people who create jobs can rely on," said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., when asked about the payroll tax matter.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., "has never believed that this type of temporary tax relief is the best way to grow the economy," said spokesman Brad Dayspring.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says payroll tax reductions give the economy a short-term boost. But it says the benefit is bigger if employers get the tax break instead of, or along with, workers.
Some top Republicans have taken a wait-and-see approach, expecting the payroll tax issue to be a bargaining chip in the upcoming debt reduction talks.
Neither House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, nor Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has taken a firm stand on whether to extend the one-year tax cut.
Most GOP presidential candidates also are treading lightly.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney did not flatly rule out an extra year for the payroll tax cut, but he "would prefer to see the payroll tax cut on the employer side" to spur job growth, his campaign said.
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich said Republicans will fall under increasing pressure to extend the payroll tax cut. If they refuse, he said in a recent speech, "we're going to end up in a position where we're going to raise taxes on the lowest-income Americans the day they go to work."
Many Democrats also are ambivalent about Obama's proposed tax cut extension. They are more focused on protecting social programs from deep spending cuts. Some worry that a multiyear reduction in the tax designated for Social Security could undermine that program's health and stature.
For decades the payroll tax generated more revenue than the Social Security paid out in benefits. The excess was used to fund other government operations. Last year, however, Social Security benefits began outstripping revenue from its designated sources, forcing the program to start tapping its "trust fund" of government obligations.
 
As I understand it - only half of Americans pay tax, and the wealthiest pay taxes already. There are even claims from wealthy Americans that their income is being taxed at 60% when you include income tax, sales tax, property tax, state and local tax all combined.

So ... why are there only 50% who pay taxes?
 
As I understand it - only half of Americans pay tax, and the wealthiest pay taxes already. There are even claims from wealthy Americans that their income is being taxed at 60% when you include income tax, sales tax, property tax, state and local tax all combined.

So ... why are there only 50% who pay taxes?

I doubt that's true (only half of Americans pay tax), and there's no way in hell that wealthy Americans being taxed a combined 60% If they are, they don't have a good accountant.

At any rate, none of this has anything to do with what I posted. Please explain to me why the GOP is in favor of repealing tax cuts for us average people, but vehemently opposed to repealing tax cuts for the rich. It's really an indefensible position they've set themselves in if you ask me.
 
Only 50% of Americans pay taxes? LOL, that's a good one.
 
As I understand it - only half of Americans pay tax, and the wealthiest pay taxes already. There are even claims from wealthy Americans that their income is being taxed at 60% when you include income tax, sales tax, property tax, state and local tax all combined.

So ... why are there only 50% who pay taxes?

better re-read it again....
 
"Nearly half of American tax filers will pay no federal income taxes this year, according to data released by the Tax Policy Center.

Some 76 million tax filers, or 46.4 percent of the total, will be exempt from federal income tax in 2011.

But with the help of the government, a similar percentage of filers -- many of them among the bottom 40 percent of earners -- have legally avoided paying federal income tax for the past several years."
46 Percent of Americans Exempt From Federal Income Tax in 2011
 
Get rid of all income and personal property taxes and support the Fair Tax.

Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

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Republicans want to raise the employee payroll tax from 4.2% back up to 6.2; statistically, the average income tax rate is about 32%, the lowest it's been in 50 years. Of course, there are quite a few corporations that pay less, or like GE, pay no income tax at all.
 
It never made sense to me that Obama wanted to cut Social Security contributions when every day there would be an article about how Soc. Sec. is running out of money. Just yesterday I read an article about SocSec disability payments running out by 2017. So why is the solution to have less money going into Social Security?

That never did make much sense.
 
It never made sense to me that Obama wanted to cut Social Security contributions when every day there would be an article about how Soc. Sec. is running out of money. Just yesterday I read an article about SocSec disability payments running out by 2017. So why is the solution to have less money going into Social Security?

That never did make much sense.

It was my understanding he wanted to cut down on how much people contribute to SS from their paycheques - namely the working class.

Look, USA has a huge debt, it has to be paid off somehow one way or another - so it's either tax hikes that would be offloaded onto the working class or cut down on deductions from their pay cheques towards things like social security, of which the wealthier class can afford to pay more than the working class can.

I'm very aware of how hard it is for the working class and the lower working class to afford food these days so they are not in any position to be able to afford to pay higher taxes either during tax seasons or from their paycheques and Obama is offering that instead of them paying higher taxes that they pay less in paycheque deductions towards Social Security.

I am not sure what's the big hullaballo here is.

Do you have a better suggestion?
 
I'm just wondering: do Repubs understand the meaning and effects of the concept of "proportional"?
 
Yes. I think Social Security contributions should be extended to ALL employment income, rather than topping out at $106,xxx - whatever it is. That would have the effect of increasing taxes on the well-paid, who are exactly the ones who can afford it.

Social Security needs to stay solvent; it's what is helping maintain the elderly and the disabled out of extreme poverty. And now, predictably, people are calling it a "tax increase" when the plan is to go back to exactly what the amount was a year ago. Cutting those contributions made zero sense in the first place.
 
Just yesterday I read an article about SocSec disability payments running out by 2017. So why is the solution to have less money going into Social Security?

One of the key facts is to note that Social Sec has been theorized to be on the deathbed for some time. This wasn't brought forth by Obama's administration, it likely goes back beyond to W's or possibly even Clinton's.

I think for less money to go into Social Security, means they are going elsewhere where they are seen as much more mandatory (to other politician's eyes).

Fix the roads, improve the quality and sanitation of water, find better gas/oil/energy production, NASA and space research, or give that money to a handicapped/disabled/retired person?
In the state of the economy right now, there's less money to doodle around with.
 
One of the key facts is to note that Social Sec has been theorized to be on the deathbed for some time. This wasn't brought forth by Obama's administration, it likely goes back beyond to W's or possibly even Clinton's.

I think for less money to go into Social Security, means they are going elsewhere where they are seen as much more mandatory (to other politician's eyes).

Fix the roads, improve the quality and sanitation of water, find better gas/oil/energy production, NASA and space research, or give that money to a handicapped/disabled/retired person?
In the state of the economy right now, there's less money to doodle around with.

I have been hearing those projections since I first started to work at age 16...so for 40 years.
 
My last good ear blew out suddenly and without warning a week ago causing profound hearing loss. Last Thursday I began the paperwork for Disability SS; The next day the press announced that SSI is insolvent, due to the overload of new claims.

My timing for going deaf is impeccable!!!!!
 
Yes. Do away with all income and personal property taxes and institute the Fair Tax.

It's quite a radical proposal - I'd be interested in seeing it put into practice to see its real impact.
 
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