Gallaudet Graduate Student - Cochlear Implant Controversy Presentation

kokonut said:
How is Grizz not a Deaf person? He has a hearing loss, no? If he identifies himself as a Deaf person then who are you to tell him he's not even though he identifies himself as hoh, which is fine. Lately the trend on using the term "Deaf" by certain groups is being applied to anyone with any amount of hearing loss whether the person is a signer or not. Yet I find rather that ironic seeing the original definition of the term to mean for culturally deaf people who sign in ASL.
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I might have a basketball, but it doesn't make me an NBA player or try to get into a discussion with NBA players on how basketball is done
 
Foxrac said:
Well, it is just his opinion, so better to respect him as well.

I don't want turn this thread into deaf oral vs. deaf ASL.
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Ok. Late deafened people should take a little time to learn before having opinions all over the place, in my opinion.

And it is pretty well known that is my opinion.
 
drphil said:
Whether being bilateral DEAF-since 2006 excludes one commenting on the above. Some thoughts.

First off: my actual experience-Sunnybrook/Toronto. re: determining if "suitable" for Cochlear Implant against the fact that they have since 1984 rejected over 2 out 3. persons reviewed. . I was 1 out of 3. Seems my health was adequate for consideration. To date; no problem with having my Implant=healthwise.
aside: only 18 out the 1000 implanted didn't receive any benefit from their Implant

The above info came from a patients meeting-adults last year.



Doesn't match the supposition_ every Deaf person can be implanted.

John: one must be very carefull about saying who can/can't benefit from a Cochlear Implant as this forum shows the wide "range of conditions" which only an ENT doctor is able to acccurately diagnose
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sound look likes your obsessive your mind! your addict you limit your communicationl. I review your observing to Dr.Phil. seems have specilisize understand cochlear. not enough asl not much. you have some barrier limit cochlear only. take an your patient you development search few we doing help teach discipline pretty development to mind= development to quality.. good advise.
development to limit barrier to communication


hard not enough ASL. I apologized to specilized to observed quality assessment. I knew previous pro oral and pro cochlear implant i successfully cochlear implant Unfornately i have accept to no complaint, It is everything odd
I have aware it migrance. specilisitt to treatment. I have everything no issues on my problem. it is pretty specialist to expertiment to cochlear implant is very high risk. It is very doubt to my observing to cochlear implant is serious not good for enforment to chidlren.; I understood. I research Cochlear implant alots of force to parents sometimes. doesn't know trust to limit.
It is alots of everything. I am final to find out things few it is sadly for me. no reason choice. I am suffer alots of tough observing to see what is happened find out exactly cochlear implant. is serious!
 
Grummer said:
that's not a trust worthy authority, oF course 'being science' er a governmental statistical info website...its gonna have that bias!, you should know that already!
its very 'dry', it just numbers...there's no reflections (and they certainly don't want to) on how unsucessful, OK if 'hearing more is 'successfu;' but so what...
that's a HEARING value...
whts the point?
what about DEAF-values?!!
RME
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I disapprove of the roll eyes, or I would certainly be using it. DEAF values you say? Who are you DrPhil?

And you don't have any statistics to back you up as you are just telling bald faced lies...
 
Bottesini said:
Ok. Late deafened people should take a little time to learn before having opinions all over the place, in my opinion.

And it is pretty well known that is my opinion.
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I have same thought, but unfortunately, not all late defended will going change their attitude to Deaf ASL.

Funny, I don't get better along with late defended, also it is much worse than between me and hearing people.
 
Grummer said:
that's not a trust worthy authority, oF course 'being science' er a governmental statistical info website...its gonna have that bias!, you should know that already!
its very 'dry', it just numbers...there's no reflections (and they certainly don't want to) on how unsucessful, OK if 'hearing more is 'successfu;' but so what...
that's a HEARING value...
whts the point?
what about DEAF-values?!!
RME
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what is you means huh hearing more is successfully It is no sense

I confusing. I don't understand what is you means hearing more is successfuly
I don't think so it is serious.

How do you know observing to you think person hearing successfully? whoa I am misunderstand two some grammar :lol: sound look likes lol.

no sense clear to specific lol! No understand what is mixing to proper!
 
Bottesini said:
I might have a basketball, but it doesn't make me an NBA player or try to get into a discussion with NBA players on how basketball is done
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Bottom line, it is not yours to decide for the person whether he/she is Deaf or not.
 
kokonut said:
Bottom line, it is not yours to decide for the person whether he/she is Deaf or not.
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I don't care how he defines himself.

You are arguing some weird little point that obsesses you.
 
Grummer said:
that's not a trust worthy authority, oF course 'being science' er a governmental statistical info website...its gonna have that bias!, you should know that already!
its very 'dry', it just numbers...there's no reflections (and they certainly don't want to) on how unsucessful, OK if 'hearing more is 'successfu;' but so what...
that's a HEARING value...
whts the point?
what about DEAF-values?!!
RME
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How about providing a source where you pulled out of yer arse the 1/3 claims? At least Bott provided a source with a link and yet you have not?
 
Smithtr said:
what is you means huh hearing more is successfully It is no sense

I confusing. I don't understand what is you means hearing more is successfuly
I don't think so it is serious.

How do you know observing to you think person hearing successfully? whoa I am misunderstand two some grammar :lol: sound look likes lol.

no sense clear to specific lol! No understand what is mixing to proper!
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I have perfectly said what i was saying...

hearing people assumes (and many deaf who thinks they are 'hearing') being able to hear will mean more success in life, that's not true, you know that too

Oh HOH means Hard of Hearing, i thought you already know that

You are Deaf and successful in programming business , that is opposite of popular idea of "success" so you should understand what I am saying also. you already know its not true. i was saying to hear to success is NOT true.
right?!
 
Bottesini said:
I don't care how he defines himself.

You are arguing some weird little point that obsesses you.
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Then don't say he's not Deaf. That's my point. Grizz is every part of the deaf and hh community as the next person with a hearing loss.
 
kokonut said:
Then don't say he's not Deaf. That's my point. Grizz is every part of the deaf and hh community as the next person with a hearing loss.
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It was better than just telling a newbie that he is annoying in his ignorance and pushy comparisons of diabetes and deafness.

For me that was polite.

But we all know you have problems in discussion, so I better step out now. :wave:
 
Bottesini said:
It was better than just telling a newbie that he is annoying in his ignorance and pushy comparisons of diabetes and deafness.

For me that was polite.

But we all know you have problems in discussion, so I better step out now. :wave:
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No problem at all. Just that it's really nobody's business to tell a deaf/hh person that he or she does not belong (i.e. Deaf).
 
Grummer said:
I have perfectly said what i was saying...

hearing people assumes (and many deaf who thinks they are 'hearing') being able to hear will mean more success in life, that's not true, you know that too

Oh HOH means Hard of Hearing, i thought you already know that

You are Deaf and successful in programming business , that is opposite of popular idea of "success" so you should understand what I am saying also. you already know its not true. i was saying to hear to success is NOT true.
right?!
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I understand clear :). of course!
 
One can "self describe" oneself-anyway one wants. However how other people understand "describtive terms" is another manner.

Is there any "difference" in say one describing oneself as "Deaf"- Hearing nothing-silence VS say a "loss of 5-10%"?- the lowest level measured on an audiogram?
 
drphil said:
One can "self describe" oneself-anyway one wants. However how other people understand "describtive terms" is another manner.

Is there any "difference" in say one describing oneself as "Deaf"- Hearing nothing-silence VS say a "loss of 5-10%"?- the lowest level measured on an audiogram?
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Not according to certain "self-prescribed but righteous" Deaf groups who are trying to re-define the term "Deaf" (e.g. Deaf babies, Deaf people, Deaf community, Deaf etc) with the capital "D" as an all-inclusive term for anyone with a hearing loss no matter how small or large, and no matter the preferred communication method. This is an effort on their part to push out other self-identifying terms like "deaf," "hard of hearing," "hearing impaired," and even "hearing loss" and replace them with "Deaf." But culturally deaf people have always "owned" and fought for the term "Deaf" over the last 3 to 4 decades to mean one thing. A term reserved for those who are culturally deaf and use ASL as their main mode of communication and language use. This is nothing but political correctness run amok with the moving of the goal post.

I agree, drphil, one has the right to describe his/her own identity as he/she sees fit.
 
I have not communicated with Dr Philip C McGraw PHD about Cochlear Implants. re: comment #23 I have no reason to write to him.
aside: info came Sunnybrook/Cochlear Implant section-Toronto Ontario and the Canadian Hearing Soceity/Toronto.
 
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All I can say is CI is very expensive and might not be able to work if the Deaf person admit that it does not improve his/her hearing. Everyone is different when making the decision on deciding whether they want to use CI as a risk or just go for hearing aids.

And what about the extra devices that a Deaf person has to pay for like batteries or ear mold or tubes or finding out the CI device would not be working which mean the Deaf person wants to remove CI? It is all about lots of money to pay to the Companies to do that. :dunno: :(
 
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