Explaining Cued Speech - from an expert.

[jillio]

shel90 - That is great if you are having success with ASL and literacy. Why do you insist on making the comparison.

There are so many variables to successful deaf education. I cue for English and if you were to "step outside the box", then perhaps you aquire the understanding and experience of learning Cued Speech. To insist that deaf/hoh children from hearing families learn English is imo oppression of deaf/hoh children from hearing families.

Why make aquiring/learning English such an arduous task?[/QUOTE]

If a deaf child is not able to acquire a L1 language through CS, then learning English will be an arduous task.

Has CS been proven to work for all deaf children? Those two coworkers who have used CS, one professionaly and the other personally, even said that it benefits some. What happens to the child if CS didnt work for him/her? Developing literacy becomes extremely difficult for them.

 

[jillio]

flip - I am not in the habit of lieing. You on the other hand, seem to think that it is appropriate to post statements that are lies or at a minimum misguided.

Really sad.

The errors inherent in taking a phonetic approach to spelling are showing again.

 

[shel90]

Once again, you are the one that continues to make the comparison, and all else is in response to yor comaprisons. How is insisting that a child learn English oppression. Insisting that a child not be placed in a situation where they can acquire L1 language in order to facillitate the learning of English is opressive. Your statement makes no sense.

Yes, loml, why make it such an ardous task? It has been supported historically and empirically that it is easier for a deaf child to learn English when they have acquired ASL as their L1 language. If anyone is making the learning of English an ardous task for the deaf child, it is the oralists, and that would include the visual oralists.

 

[loml]

shel90 - That is great if you are having success with ASL and literacy. Why do you insist on making the comparison.

There are so many variables to successful deaf education. I cue for English and if you were to "step outside the box", then perhaps you aquire the understanding and experience of learning Cued Speech. To insist that deaf/hoh children from hearing families learn English is imo oppression of deaf/hoh children from hearing families.

Why make aquiring/learning English such an arduous task?[/QUOTE]

If a deaf child is not able to acquire a L1 language through CS, then learning English will be an arduous task.

Has CS been proven to work for all deaf children? Those two coworkers who have used CS, one professionaly and the other personally, even said that it benefits some. What happens to the child if CS didnt work for him/her? Developing literacy becomes extremely difficult for them.

Has CS been proven to work for all deaf children?

All the ones that I know. I cannot profess to know all deaf children.

If a deaf child is not able to acquire a L1 language through CS, then learning English will be an arduous task.

Indeed it would be.

Those two coworkers who have used CS, one professionaly and the other personally, even said that it benefits some.

You have issue with some deaf children benefiting from CS?

What happens to the child if CS didnt work for him/her? Developing literacy becomes extremely difficult for them

I have yet to meet personally a deaf/hoh child of hearing parents, who choose Cued Speech as a tool for the aquisition of English who was unsuccessful in aquiring language, inclusion and literacy.

 

[jillio]

All the ones that I know. I cannot profess to know all deaf children.

Since you are not an educator, a clinician, or a language specialist, your assessment of success leaves many, many questions. The entire population of CS users within the whole deaf population is very few. Additionally, as you cannot possibly know and be in direct contact with all of the CS users, your sample base cannot be considered to be representative of the whole of CS users, let alone the whole of the deaf population. Your anecdotal evidence,therefore, is not valid when discussing the success of CS.

Indeed it would be.

And, as CS has not been demonstrated to assist in language acquisition, it is indeed an arduous task. However, ASL has been shown to decrease the difficulty of learning English as a second language. .


You have issue with some deaf children benefiting from CS?

The issue is with your promotion of CS as a tool for primary language acquisition for all deaf children. The issue is with your promotion of visual oralism, which is nothing more than assisted lip reading as promoted by the oralist camp, and these techniques have been supported historically and empirically as the greatest variable contributing to language delays.



I have yet to meet personally a deaf/hoh child of hearing parents, who choose Cued Speech as a tool for the aquisition of English who was unsuccessful in aquiring language, inclusion and literacy.

And how many children would that be, and what instruments are you using to measure success? Against what control groups are you taking data? Given the realtively few numbers of CS users within the deaf population, including those of hearing parents, I again caution you regarding using your limited personal experience as a substitute for empirical evidence.

 

[shel90]

All the ones that I know. I cannot profess to know all deaf children.



Indeed it would be.



You have issue with some deaf children benefiting from CS?

Up to u if u want to think that way. I dont need to justify myself to anyone.



I have yet to meet personally a deaf/hoh child of hearing parents, who choose Cued Speech as a tool for the aquisition of English who was unsuccessful in aquiring language, inclusion and literacy.

Well, there are some ADers here that claimed that CS didnt work for them.

 

[flip]

flip - I am not in the habit of lieing. You on the other hand, seem to think that it is appropriate to post statements that are lies or at a minimum misguided.

Really sad.

I would be grateful if you could tell me what I am lying about? That you claim:

1. English through cueing is is all a deaf child/person need. ASL is unnecessary.

2. ASL makes it hard to develop literacy in deaf children.

or that:

you are afraid to say this straight out?

 

[rockdrummer]

I can communicate with hearing people but I find myself feeling much more isolated in a group of hearing people chattering away using spoken language than I am with a group of people using ASL. As long as I am not isolating myself from another human being, I am not cut-off nor I feel that is a form of isolation.

The way you put it gave me the impression that ASL users are not simply good enough and that deaf people must interact with non-signers. Some simply dont want to and I dont see anything wrong with that if it makes them happy.

Isolation has many definitions. I am more than happy to clearify. All you need to do is ask. In my view asking is a better means of commicating than making assumptions.

 

[loml]

I would be grateful if you could tell me what I am lying about? That you claim:

1. English through cueing is is all a deaf child/person need. ASL is unnecessary

flip- I have never said this.

2. ASL makes it hard to develop literacy in deaf children.

flip - I have never made this statement.
or that:

you are afraid to say this straight out?

That is rediculous.

 

[flip]

2. ASL makes it hard to develop literacy in deaf children.

flip- I have never said this.

You have earlier written

Signing does not provide phonemic awareness for spoken languages. Students who use a sign system or ASL struggle with connecting the signs to printed words.

I found this one after 5 seconds. I will say no more, it's too obvious what you are doing here.

 

[shel90]

You have earlier written



I found this one after 5 seconds. I will say no more, it's too obvious what you are doing here.

Whoa, loml!! That is such a false statement about ASL!!! Struggle with connecting the signs to the printed word? U are joking me!

 

[shel90]

Isolation has many definitions. I am more than happy to clearify. All you need to do is ask. In my view asking is a better means of commicating than making assumptions.

I agree with u about that one. I did ask you what u mean by isolation according to post #115.

 

[deafskeptic]

You have earlier written



I found this one after 5 seconds. I will say no more, it's too obvious what you are doing here.

*snicker* Loml is BUSTED!

 

[loml]

You have earlier written



I found this one after 5 seconds. I will say no more, it's too obvious what you are doing here.

flip

1. English through cueing is is all a deaf child/person need. ASL is unnecessary

2. ASL makes it hard to develop literacy in deaf children

loml

Signing does not provide phonemic awareness for spoken languages. Students who use a sign system or ASL struggle with connecting the signs to printed words.

flip - Would you please provide the link to the above quote.

 

[loml]

Well, there are some ADers here that claimed that CS didnt work for them.

Shel90- I can think of one, the same person who feels that there was some benefit from CS. Details are not shared, so quite honestly, how is one to know?

 

[shel90]

Shel90- I can think of one, the same person who feels that there was some benefit from CS. Details are not shared, so quite honestly, how is one to know?

I am referring to the old CS thread that was brought back from the dead about a month ago. ADers posted about their experiences with CS.

 

[loml]

I am referring to the old CS thread that was brought back from the dead about a month ago. ADers posted about their experiences with CS.

shel90- I also recall that details of the Cued Speech experiences were not shared, so again, how is one to know? There are many variables to having a successful experience, in all aspects of life.

 

[jillio]

*snicker* Loml is BUSTED!

Again!

 

[jillio]

flip

loml

flip - Would you please provide the link to the above quote.

The links to your contradictions are too numerous to post!

 

[jillio]

Shel90- I can think of one, the same person who feels that there was some benefit from CS. Details are not shared, so quite honestly, how is one to know?

What details do you need? They've already said it was either no benefit, or some benefit. Details wil not change their perception of successful vs. not successful. And it is the user's assessment that is the valid assessment.