Texas Senate approves something called the Tim Tebow Bill

[rockin'robin]

and it’s a big deal


The Texas Senate passed the Tim Tebow Bill to allow home-schooled student-athletes to play for their local public schools in the Lone Star State, according to multiple reports.

The bill, which passed the Senate by a decisive 21-7 vote, now rests with the Texas House before it's signed into law, according to The Dallas Morning News.

Texas is hardly the only state acting to make it easier for students of Tebow's ilk to take part in mainstream high school competition. Indiana passed a similar law May 1, and half the nation's states have already adopted similar bills named for Tebow, the Heisman Trophy winner who led Nease (Ponte Vedra, Fla.) High to a state title and captured Florida's Mr. Football honor as a high school senior while being homeschooled in 2005.

[Also: Herschel Walker's nephew, a top TE recruit, says no to Georgia]

Tebow and six-time NFL Pro Bowler Jason Taylor, who played for Woodland Hills (Pittsburgh, Pa.) High while being homeschooled in the early 1990s, have championed the rights of homeschooled student-athletes to varying degrees of success across the country.

Recently, the Alabama Senate rejected the Tim Tebow Act, the Arkansas House passed the bill and both Tennessee and North Carolina are currently in the legislative process.

A faction of public educators in Texas opposed the bill, but the Texas Home School Coalition supported it despite some members of the homeschool community who believe the law might lead to further government oversight, according to The Morning News.

Texas features as many as 320,000 homeschooled students and parents, the THSC said.

Take UConn freshman Moriah Jefferson for example. Before helping the Huskies to their eighth NCAA women's basketball title this past season, she was a homeschooled high school hoopster and McDonald's All-American from Glenn Heights, Texas.

Jefferson led Texas Home Educations Sports Association (THESA) to five National Christian Homeschool Basketball Championships titles, but never had the option of competing in University Interscholastic League sanctioned events for public high schools.

Tebow's high school days may seem like a distant memory as he looks for more work somewhere in the NFL, but he's still making an impact on prep sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highs...omething-called-tim-tebow-bill-212158312.html

 

[naisho]

For a moment I read the topic title and first sentence as if Tim Tebow should be taxed for his fame (i.e., bills). I almost read that first sentence that Tim Tebow should pay for his public school. It feels to me as if poorly worded. :P

But in the scope of the topic, that's cool stuff. Right on track to make athletics more friendly.

 

[Foxrac]

Recently, the Alabama Senate rejected the Tim Tebow Act

Yes because home school requirement is really far lax in Alabama than in Florida and students aren't required to demonstrating academic progress, so if students receive little or lousy education under home school - no consequence from government.

In Florida, the homeschooled students are required to demonstrating academic progress before they can play sports at local school. That means any homeschooled students who received a failing grade or not properly educated can reject from join sport at local school.

In some states, if homeschooled students who receive a poor academic progress can forced to attend at public school, usually by state education agencies or court order.

Alabama needs to tighten up the home school requirement, make same level as Florida.

 

[VacationGuy234]

I think that is a good bill since people who home school also pay taxes so they should get to play.

 

[jonnyghost]

Yes because home school requirement is really far lax in Alabama than in Florida and students aren't required to demonstrating academic progress, so if students receive little or lousy education under home school - no consequence from government.

In Florida, the homeschooled students are required to demonstrating academic progress before they can play sports at local school. That means any homeschooled students who received a failing grade or not properly educated can reject from join sport at local school.

In some states, if homeschooled students who receive a poor academic progress can forced to attend at public school, usually by state education agencies or court order.

Alabama needs to tighten up the home school requirement, make same level as Florida.

Are there consequences from the government if a student gets a lousy education at public school?

 

[Foxrac]

Are there consequences from the government if a student gets a lousy education at public school?

Yes in most states - loss of funding, loss of sponsors, loss of sports, state takeover, fire principal and teachers, etc.

Public schools are strictly regulated under state AND federal.

In some states, homeschooling is regulated by state, but in my state, it is mostly unregulated.

 

[jonnyghost]

That's for grade averages not for a specific student. If someone has one child at home then they get what they get and not an average.

 

[Foxrac]

That's for grade averages not for a specific student. If someone has one child at home then they get what they get and not an average.

No, public schools have no pass, no play policy - if you aren't doing well in school, especially receive a poor grade so you can't play sports.

It does applies to all homeschooling students in Florida BUT... not in Alabama.

In Florida, All homeschooling students are REQUIRED to demonstrating academic progress before they can play sports, otherwise, no pass, no play will applies to students who don't meet requirement.

I'm happy that Alabama senators rejected Tim Tebow Bill due to education quality issue in home school and many students who had home school, ended up in community college or junior college due unable to meet four years university requirement to admit them, especially UAB rarely accept students who completed home school in Alabama without have going to community college or junior college. In 3 years ago, one of my classmate in reading course at community college have problem with writing/reading and she was from home school.

I'm serious about education quality - if child doesn't care about education = no sport.

 

[jonnyghost]

I wasn't commenting about sports. You said that there should be consequenses from the goverment if a kid gets a lousy home school education. I pointed out that that is not true for public schools. You're also assuming that kids that aren't doing well in home school would do better in public school and that's not always true. They could do even worse in public school.

 

[jonnyghost]

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[Foxrac]

I wasn't commenting about sports. You said that there should be consequenses from the goverment if a kid gets a lousy home school education. I pointed out that that is not true for public schools. You're also assuming that kids that aren't doing well in home school would do better in public school and that's not always true. They could do even worse in public school.

Not in Florida - many public schools received consequences from government for fail to meet state requirement to receive a proper education, especially loss of funding is one of them and the federal could take funding away if they fail to meet their requirement

Your comment is ONLY true in some states, so Florida isn't one of them but Alabama is one of them.

If homeschooling students receive a poor education and the public school in their area is excellent so they will learn better in the public school, however if not, they may need evaluate for learning problems like LD that can receive with accommodation.

I'm serious questioning about quality of home school in my state.

 

[jonnyghost]

Not in Florida - many public schools received consequences from government for fail to meet state requirement to receive a proper education, especially loss of funding is one of them and the federal could take funding away if they fail to meet their requirement

Your comment is ONLY true in some states, so Florida isn't one of them but Alabama is one of them.

If homeschooling students receive a poor education and the public school in their area is excellent so they will learn better in the public school, however if not, they may need evaluate for learning problems like LD that can receive with accommodation.

I'm serious questioning about quality of home school in my state.

I would be interested to see the numbers for your state. Do you have any sources that show homeschooling gives poor quality education?

 

[Foxrac]

I would be interested to see the numbers for your state. Do you have any sources that show homeschooling gives poor quality education?

There is no source because home school in my state aren't required to report about academic progress and other successes, also they aren't required to take state exam to define about academic performance. I lived in Alabama for 5 years now and met many different students that came from public school, private school and homeschool. There are many homeschool students enroll at community college or junior college after denied to admit in four years university and I'm questioning about education quality because home schools are varies from case to case, depending on parenting, material, their skill, ability to cover lessons that children are obviously required to learn, especially writing, reading, math, science, history, etc.

Like I said in my statement about in my state, homeschooling students aren't required to demonstrating academic progress due to lack of state law, that means they don't have to prove if they receive an education that cover all materials, doing well with school works, parent's teaching skill, take care of education quality.

That why we need to tighten the homeschooling requirement at same level as Florida and many homeschooling students in Florida are pretty impressive.

Do you understand about what demonstrating academic progress means? You seems have trouble to understand and I'm not against on homeschooling if it is well regulated by state.

 

[jonnyghost]

No need to get mean about it i was truely interested if you had sources. I understand that there is no requirement to demonstrate progress but i'm sure people have tried to figure it out.

All the homeschooled people i know whent to regular college and got top notch educations. Much better than my public school one. Parents have resources available to allow them to give great educations without being a professor in every catagory.

 

[Bottesini]

No need to get mean about it i was truely interested if you had sources. I understand that there is no requirement to demonstrate progress but i'm sure people have tried to figure it out.

All the homeschooled people i know whent to regular college and got top notch educations. Much better than my public school one. Parents have resources available to allow them to give great educations without being a professor in every catagory.

And some people home school and have no idea how to teach. The kids are short changed and then become dropouts at the earliest age allowed when they can't pass the tests for academic progress.

It was better when a degree in education was required in order to home school.

And part of my time was spent being home schooled, but both my parents were certified teachers.

 

[jonnyghost]

And some people home school and have no idea how to teach. The kids are short changed and then become dropouts at the earliest age allowed when they can't pass the tests for academic progress.

It was better when a degree in education was required in order to home school.

And part of my time was spent being home schooled, but both my parents were certified teachers.

The numbers show that on average homeschooled kid do better in college. Yes some don't get good educations but it seems they must be the exception.

 

[Foxrac]

No need to get mean about it i was truely interested if you had sources. I understand that there is no requirement to demonstrate progress but i'm sure people have tried to figure it out.

All the homeschooled people i know whent to regular college and got top notch educations. Much better than my public school one. Parents have resources available to allow them to give great educations without being a professor in every catagory.

Where state are you from?

Yes, some states have excellent homeschooling and they are usually case by case with many factors. Due to internet revolution, it is much easier to have a homeschooling and have all materials that covered for children to learn - thanks to online. Taking complete online classes for college is just feel like homeschooling and make easier for people with medical condition to receive an education without have travel to campus.

Beside of internet, there are books, software, video, etc to learn.

The public school in our area is fairly good but there were many teen pregnancy due to lack of sex education and some students didn't receive an good education because they weren't motivated or not serious "lazy students".

I had homeschool that lasted month with full support from local public school due to trauma from nasty bullying and death threat. It went well but no social at all.

 

[Foxrac]

The numbers show that on average homeschooled kid do better in college. Yes some don't get good educations but it seems they must be the exception.

Yes - case by case with factors.

There are top public schools, especially in affluent area.

 

[jonnyghost]

What do you mean case by case with factors? I'm speaking of the average across the country. So in general they are doing better.

None of the people i know where homescooled had the internet back then. But they used the resources available at the public school, local colleges, private tutors and other parents. Today i'm sure there is a ton on the internet like you say.

 

[VacationGuy234]

No need to get mean about it i was truely interested if you had sources. I understand that there is no requirement to demonstrate progress but i'm sure people have tried to figure it out.

All the homeschooled people i know whent to regular college and got top notch educations. Much better than my public school one. Parents have resources available to allow them to give great educations without being a professor in every catagory.

I would argue that, in those cases, home schooled kids are more specialized to take college courses. If you are concentrating more on courses to get through a decided major, you would already be ahead of the game.

There are pro's and cons to it just like anything else. How good a student performs depends on both teaching and motivation.

EDIT: However, I would also argue that group socialization and activity(part of all major college classes today) would still be a challenge.