Isaac And Ishmael

[christlovedeaf]

As for christians and jews, we worship God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Since Abraham do what his wife Sarah told him to do to sleep with Hagar, which is outside of God's will and show lack of trust toward God. God has promised that Abraham and Sarah will have son, but since their age way over limit. Instead Abraham slept with Hagar, then later had a child named Ishmael. Sarah expected be hers, but Hagar refuse. And Abraham have talked with God. And God said He wil bless Ishmael and have 12 princes and be a great nation, BUT, noticed the next word, BUT I made a covenant with Isaac. God made a covenant with Issac, not Ishmael. The lineage thru Isaac then Jacob, where God gave us a promise of Y'shua, which means the One Who Saves, also meaning , Jesus Christ. Jesus is NOT just a messenger. But as for Mohammed is separate from Jesus, and the last prophet is John, The Baptist, not Y'shua (Jesus-Immanuel). Thru the OT I think over 300 times prophesied and been fulfiled of Jesus, but the Temple and Kingdom is when His 2nd coming be. The Holy Word is The Living Bible. He is my Jehovah-Nissi, Jehovah-Rapha. As Isaiah said " By His (Jesus) stripes (where Jesus been whiipped severely which hardly recognize Him of cruel brutality), we are healed", that is His blood we have been redeemed (took our place, bought for), He is my Redeemer as my Redeemer lives. There is no other but the bllod of Jesus, oh how's the precious flow, washes me white as snow, there is no other fount I know, nothing but the blood of Jesus. So in Christ, I say Shalom

 

[EagleCherokee63]

As for christians and jews, we worship God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Since Abraham do what his wife Sarah told him to do to sleep with Hagar, which is outside of God's will and show lack of trust toward God. God has promised that Abraham and Sarah will have son, but since their age way over limit. Instead Abraham slept with Hagar, then later had a child named Ishmael. Sarah expected be hers, but Hagar refuse. And Abraham have talked with God. And God said He wil bless Ishmael and have 12 princes and be a great nation, BUT, noticed the next word, BUT I made a covenant with Isaac. God made a covenant with Issac, not Ishmael. The lineage thru Isaac then Jacob, where God gave us a promise of Y'shua, which means the One Who Saves, also meaning , Jesus Christ. Jesus is NOT just a messenger. But as for Mohammed is separate from Jesus, and the last prophet is John, The Baptist, not Y'shua (Jesus-Immanuel). Thru the OT I think over 300 times prophesied and been fulfiled of Jesus, but the Temple and Kingdom is when His 2nd coming be. The Holy Word is The Living Bible. He is my Jehovah-Nissi, Jehovah-Rapha. As Isaiah said " By His (Jesus) stripes (where Jesus been whiipped severely which hardly recognize Him of cruel brutality), we are healed", that is His blood we have been redeemed (took our place, bought for), He is my Redeemer as my Redeemer lives. There is no other but the bllod of Jesus, oh how's the precious flow, washes me white as snow, there is no other fount I know, nothing but the blood of Jesus. So in Christ, I say Shalom

Amen! Sarah was 90 yrs old become first time pregnancy Isaac. Right, Abraham's both sons Ishmael and Isaac. I caught Mohammed was wrong doctine about story, (Abraham take Ishmael for sacrifice on Ishmael.) It only to Isaac!! Bible KJV Genesis 22 all chapter. Hagar's Son Ishmael where path generation to Mohammed now. Abraham generation to Isaac who promised land generation to Jesus Christ. Nation divide Isaac and Ishmael. They are not along all. Sarah sticky over Hagar. Sarah wanted keep away from Hagar because of her son fight Sarah's son Isaac. Abraham broke heart and respected Sarah wife!

Isaiah1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

 

[EagleCherokee63]

Thats why Ishmael and Isaac both generation are enemy. Ishmael (Mohammed) wanted destory Israel. If you read all history till now why? You will understand what caused.

 

[christlovedeaf]

and whose fault is that? abraham, the father of israel! he couldnt keep his trouser snake inside his pants!

Part of it, but remember I mentioned, Sarah pushing Abraham to sleep with Hagar for thinking to have a child thru her, that point of time, God doesn't honor that. REmber mohammed approved polygymy which God forbids, why? Bec will cause problem, look at King David,, Solomon and others, they been having major problems, that is why God forbid polygmy.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Yeah, but not all women ar like that. Mary, Esther, Naomi and soe others are godly women. Its individual. Yeah, there are lot of women are expert manipulate to entice men to fall for. Sadly, many men using wrong idea about women like never hurt a woman is true, never hurt men is also. Bec nowhere int eh Bible that God allow women to get by with anything, as Jezebel for example. That's why its confusion. God expect men AND women to respect one another. Most of men suffers by their wives' advantage to cause courts and stuff easily fall for. But only few wise up and its a lot of mixed and so guilty and innocence are under legal issues. All important that God doesn't want is blame. Whatever one particular person does make it appear all do the same, which is not so. Stereotype destroy society. And that is why God says forgive one another.

 

[Maria]

Well, God is testin' people for their true faith or chose temptation the world offers. You can't expect people to KNOW ALL the answer to solve their problems. Once they make their mistakes, they will realize that they can't do it on their own. They have to have DEPEND on someone. Who ? GOD. They will KNOW that GOD will guide them to the right path in HIS WAY. God has ALL the answers. He knows their heart.

You have your own mistakes, too zxvasdf. It's okay to make mistakes, because of that we learn to mature thru it. It's up to people to learn from it and be mature through it or.... they can repeat it by makin' themselves more miserable in their life. It's up to them. God gave them free will and choices. Be smarten up or be dumb.

 

[Maria]

smarten up or be dumb? that is not free will. i am given only two choices but no alternative choice, and does that constitute free will?

Well, let me give you an example here : We are just like sheep eatin' pasture, sleep, pee/poop/play/rest. Without Shepherd bein' there to watch over them, the wolf will come ( prey ) and attack them.

Jesus is the Shepherd and He watches over the sheep who knew His Voice and the wolf will not come to attack them, because Jesus is there to take care of them and protect them.

I prefer to chose Jesus in my life, so that way Satan don't attack me. That's a smart choice. I don't care if, someone wants to aim their gun at me and shoot me, just because of WHO I believe in. In fact, it wasn't really me that someone wants to kill. It is really Jesus that someone really wants to kill. Remember that, anyone can hurt my flesh, but they CAN'T hurt my soul.

 

[Maria]

sorry you re the sheep. i m a nice naughty wolf who s about to get dinner cause i brought the whole pack; in no way is the shepherder getting away this time around

You are the sheep as well. You live in the flesh. Sorry to disappoint you again, dude. God choses you when you were first created in your mother's womb and be born on this earth. You are just like the rest of people. No difference.

 

[The*Empress]

Ishmael and Isaac are family.

We Christians, Muslims and Jews, and other people are all families

 

[christlovedeaf]

hmm? then why are you blaming ishmael for all of israel's troubles? isnt that stereotyping muslims?

You got ur point there. But look as David Koresh for example, what is his influence on people? Ishmael of himself is not the issue. If you look thru the history the purpose of what God calling us to do. Look at Hitler, what affect on people? What must be done? What does God called us to do? Enemies always out to hurt and also taken other lives. Christ does not called us to create enemies, but peace, forgiving and even feed the enemies. Now, that's when ur enemies injured, we need to give love and forgive toward ur enemies, not by what enemy trying to do you. There are different circumstantial and must let God takes control and let the Spirit of God lead every step of the way whatever you face. As I see, Islam and muslims are separate. Its not for me to run them down, and if you notice Jesus, the way he walked and talked and how to share others. And notice, how religious leaders react and respond and also watch how Jesus says. The same, watch how Jesus react and respond the night He was arrested and look at the diciples and what did Jesus react on that? There are many different ways how God can works and testing you and enable you how to react and respond. Not everyone will accept you. Yours and my job is to share, not twisting someone arms to make them decide and also didn't called us to if you refuse to believe and accept, you are in death sentence. Only death sentence will be is God Himself.

 

[The*Empress]

then why do you want to bobbit your brothers and cousins?

It's for their own good...


CHOP CHOP, next???

 

[christlovedeaf]

if you say that what happens to you is god's plan, so you ahve to realize that hitler was part of god's plan and that god condemned hitler to hell. i mean the Big Guy knew hitler s outcome and let it happen anyways

Similar God's plan about Judas, religious leaders and etc. Why? God foreknew everything and perfect plan. Why'? Salvation for ALL mankind thru Jesus Christ. Like all this must happen. As for Hitler is similar, God's plan for good purpose to draw others to God. Like 9/11. Here's perfect example. One day a guy going on his way to his flight to NY to see his dad and his dad is volunteer firefighter. But on his way to the airport, he had a flat tire and missed hsi flight which was the same flight that crashed into TWC. He heard the news and called his dad he's alright, bec of flat tire and thought God protect him, at least part of it. His dad told him that he is on his way to save people. His dad isn't a christian, so long he shared with his dad, yet refuse. Later during the collapse of the bldg and he tried to cal his dad several times and no repsonse. Then later, received his call that his dad was killed there. He was torment, bec his dad rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ. And he prayed with pain. Then someone was at his door and it was a lady who hold her baby. She asked him if he's.... (His name). He said yes. Then told him that she was a victim of TWC where she worked. She shared about his dad and thankful what he did for saving her life and she was preg that time. She said about Jesus and shared down the stairway. He recalled his son talked about Jesus and he wept and knelt and gave his heart to Christ. She made it out, but his dad didn't and was killed. She named her child after his dad. See, God does mysterious way whatever going on around us we don't understand. God knows how to work in people. God's goal is to bring people to Himself. God called christians to share others. We can't do anything to make people believe or change, only God thru us to draw others to himself thru christians who shared. True, some christians getting overboard which block God's flow.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Yes, it is a free will, remember, God doesn't force anyone, God left each of us a choice.

 

[The*Empress]

Well after Jesus died,

There were a Mass expulsions of Jewish people in Israel.
Titus, the Roman Emperor was Hitler type of guy...
I don't know why nobody called Titus a racist or a nazi...
Titus enslaved or massacred a large part of the Jewish population!!!!

After 331 years of Jewish-Roman war, the last Roman Emperor, Julian, he rejected Christianity and welcome Jewish people back to Israel. Julian react
violently against Christian teaching and don't want Christians to force
their religion down in his throat. And allowed "Freedom of Religion".
Muslims killed Julian.

In 1099, Crusaders killed Tens of Thousands Jewish people.

Then in 1290, Jews are expelled from England by Edward I by the Statute of Jewry. Jews failed to pay taxes and had to wear Yellow Badge, to humiliate them. And Edward I, hung 300 Jews.

Jews were expelled from France and readmitted by a price.

Jews were persecuted in Western Europe, Jews are invited to Poland by Casimir the Great, so that he can protect Jews in 1343.

1492
Approximately 200,000 Jews are expelled from Spain, in 1496 from Portugal and from many German cities. The expelled Jews relocate to the Netherlands, Turkey, Arab lands, and Judea; some eventually go to South and Central America. However, most emigrate to Poland. In later centuries, more than 50% of Jewish world population lived in Poland.


1493
Jews expelled from Sicily. As many as 137,000 exiled.


King Sigismund I of Poland abolishes the law that required Jews to wear the YELLOW BADGE!!!!!!


oh oh, ANOTHER HITLER LIKE leader.... The Ukrainian Cossack Bohdan Chmielnicki leads a massacre of Polish gentry and Jewry that leaves an estimated 65,000 Jews dead and a similar number of gentry. The total decrease in the number of Jews is estmated at 100,000.
Khmelnytsky told the people that the Poles had sold them as slaves "into the hands of the accursed Jews". With this as their battle-cry, the Cossacks killed a large number of Jews during the years 1648–1649. The precise number of dead may never be known, but the decrease of the Jewish population during that period is estimated at 100,000 to 200,000, which also includes deaths from diseases and Tatar imprisonment.


Arab residents of Jersalem expelled Jewish from their city in 1720.

President George Washington grant Jewish people full rights in USA in 1790.
And other countries gave equal rights to Jewish people.
Queen Victoria knighted a Jewish person as first Jewish person Knighthood.

After everything going well for Jewish people for 140 years of peace..... SUDDENLY.....

Hitler took over Germany and caused Holocaust.


President Nassar of Egypt called for Destruction of Israel with Palestine, Arafat, and other Muslim countries, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, and Syria tried to destroy Israel, but British and U.S. helped protect Israel... during the Six Day War, 1967. Nassar died of a heart attack in September 1970... he had hijackers to hijack TWA, SwissAir, and British Air to teach Americans a lesson for siding with Israel.



I don't think GOD called all of these "Hitler like" Leaders to kill Jewish people, only the Devil do that.
Unless God is punishing the Jews for killing Jesus....

I don't know.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Remember, many overlooked the principles of this life of the rulers. God annointed both good and evil rulers. Remember King Saul? King Ahab and his wife Jezebel? Jeohokim? And etc? That does not mean God honors them, those evil rulers, God takes the revenge. And the crusaders were under catholics. Those catholics are not the same s of today and also doing very early christians. Some of the priest fooled so many people. Not all catolics are the same and even some been discommunicate etc. Even, not all chrstians stuff others. I ve been watching about fellowship of jews and christians and wow, what a heart felt with the jews that were suffering by oppress by some disobedient christans, which I low percentages. But skyhigh of islamics executing christans and the jews. Believe it or not, not just jews were in holocaust,bec christians were also victimized who refuse to folow Hitler's example bec its very evil in the eyes of God.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Oh, I'm not worry at all, just the heart for the people. All possible is God's love thru me to others. All is a part of Christ's love in me, and giving His life for many. Let the light shine, bec Jesus is the Light.