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Chirac Speaks Out for First Time on Riots
AP - 5 minutes ago
PARIS - French President Jacques Chirac said Sunday that restoring security and public order was an "absolute priority" as urban violence intensified and spread across France — with arsonists striking central Paris for the first time. Youths set ablaze nearly 1,300 vehicles and torched businesses, schools and symbols of French authority, including post offices and provincial police stations, on the 10th consecutive night of unrest.



Why are they fighting? Is it because of Bush or what? :confused:
 
No. The immigrant youths who are living in the poor ghettos of northeastern suburbs are striking back at the CRS (national police), because they think that the CRS chased two immigrant teenagers. These two immigrant teenagers ran until they hid in a dangerous transformer plant area and got electrocuted. These two guys died, and the immigrant youths are just using it as an excuse to "get back" at the authorities. They are very frustrased because of the high tendencies of discrimination, high unemployment, etc...

If you want to see a movie which explains a bit about this, watch "La Haine." ("The Hate") It's a French movie, but should be available in American video rental stores.
 
It has nothing to do with Bush or us. Remember Rodney King. It can happens anywhere when there is racists tense invloves.
 
oh that is awful...

ain't they citizen in France or illegal immigrants?

Cause I hope the illegal immigrants here don't get any idea from that and
do it here in USA.
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
oh that is awful...

ain't they citizen in France or illegal immigrants?

Cause I hope the illegal immigrants here don't get any idea from that and
do it here in USA.

Some of the kids aren't citizens but living in France with their families "with papers." Some even live in France "sans papiers" (without papers). Some of the kids are first generation French citizens, meaning that they were born in France, but their families arent citizens. It's really hard to explain the specific French laws in regards to immigration.
 
They are muslims. :ugh:

Muslims are attacking Paris...

Paris is BURNING!!!! :Ohno:
 
This whole mess goes back decades ago. It started with the Algerian conflict where the Algerians (a French colony) wanted their independence from France. It was some time after WWII and when Charles De Gaulle was the French president. After all said and done, the French finally forced out of Algeria in 1962 and there was "pipeline" for Algerians to enter France. This "pipeline" is what lead to what we are hearing about now.

Unfortunately for the French, they never really knew how to handle these legal and illegal immigrants and simply pushed them into certain places around France. On top of that, the French never really liked these immigrants (mostly for racist reasons but also due to religion) and the typical patterns of discrimination occurred widely which percolated into the mess they are seeing right now. I'm not at all surprised to see this "violence" as it has been predicted for quite some time.

While this is sad and nobody wins, it will force the French to finally wake up and have the national debate about this situation which they should have had on this decades ago. The short term prognosis is that France will go more to the right (anti-immigration). The long term...who knows if they will learn anything from this.
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
They are muslims. :ugh:

Muslims are attacking Paris...

Paris is BURNING!!!! :Ohno:

Not only Paris, but several cities throughout France including Strasbourg and Toulouse are having their share of the violence.

It is not the Muslim question. The situation can be blamed equally on the National Police (CRS) as well, because they keep provoking the situation. One night, they threw tear gas into a mosque when everyone were praying during their holy days of Ramadan and forced people to escape. They were insulting Muslims as they were exiting the building. What can one do when your own police force are full of racists?
 
sr171soars said:
While this is sad and nobody wins, it will force the French to finally wake up and have the national debate about this situation which they should have had on this decades ago. The short term prognosis is that France will go more to the right (anti-immigration). The long term...who knows if they will learn anything from this.

Unfortunately, I hope this will not mean that the FN (le Front National) will gain more seats throughout France. I remember the last time when FN gained so much seats, the French people started protesting against FN. I think that I am about to make a very general statement, but secretly, in each Frenchman/-woman, they are terrified of the immigrants and go through all measures to avoid being around these "undesirables." But they will never admit that in the public. They will speak out against racism, violence and so on. So, it seems to be a double entendre.
 
This what happens when French aren't our allies anymore during the Iraq operation freedom. :roll:
 
I say let France figure this one out for themselves by themselves.....
 
It's something do with "French-Foreigner" during colonial age accord French law... It's not only high unemployment rate but discrimination - They feel being treat "illegal immigrant" due color skin.
 
Tousi said:
I say let France figure this one out for themselves by themselves.....
yeah, since France didn't help us, so why help them when they didnt eve help us back? I say let them figure it out themselves anyway.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
It's something do with "French-Foreigner" during colonial age accord French law... It's not only high unemployment rate but discrimination - They feel being treat "illegal immigrant" due color skin.
not to mention that the French was making a law for middle eastern women who have to remove their "mask" blankets off their face, and some wome who wear blankets on their heads as a symbol of their reglion, but the French wanted them removed for easier idenifity, so the forgeiners felt offened by this law so they were fighting against that law also.

seems that France isn't much of a friendly place anymore... :ugh:
 
I didn't think that was a smart law, when they passed it. While this DOES NOT justify the response, I think that could've easily come across as an attack on religion. In fact, my understanding is that children attending French schools can have no religious symbols at all, whether they be the hijab (that's the head scarf), a Christian cross necklace, or anything else that could be religious. I think a much smarter way to handle that would've been peaceful protests and CIVIL disobedience (i.e. continuing to wear those things and intentionally getting in trouble for it).

But I agree about not helping the French. We can offer our sympathy--but until they solve their own cultural problems, there's really nothing else we can or should do.
 
Rose Immortal said:
In fact, my understanding is that children attending French schools can have no religious symbols at all, whether they be the hijab (that's the head scarf), a Christian cross necklace, or anything else that could be religious.

SPEAKING OF SCHOOL....

Updated: 09:11 AM EST
France Extends Emergency Order to February
Violence Abates, But Youths Set Fires to Schools Overnight
By D'ARCY DORAN, AP


PARIS (Nov. 14) - The French Cabinet approved a bill Monday to extend the country's state of emergency for three months, while youths set schools ablaze and waged other scattered arson attacks across France.

A janitor cleans a school on Monday after rioters rammed a car into its gate and then set the building on fire in Toulouse, France.

Though the unrest is abating, the bill, if approved by parliament as expected, would allow a 12-day state of emergency to be prolonged until mid-February if needed. The emergency measures empower regions to impose curfews on minors, conduct house searches and take other steps to prevent unrest.

"It is a measure of protection and precaution," President Jacques Chirac said.

Chirac stressed that the measure was "temporary" and that regional officials would use it "only where it is strictly necessary." About 40 French towns, including France's third-largest city, Lyon, have used the measure to put curfews for minors into effect.

Overnight, the number of car-torchings -- a barometer of the unrest -- dropped sharply, with youths setting fire to 284 vehicles, compared to 374 the previous night, police said Monday. There were no clashes between police and rioters.

"The lull is confirmed," national police spokesman Patrick Hamon said. A week ago, 1,400 cars were incinerated in a single night.

The 18 nights of arson attacks and riots -- set off by the accidental electrocution deaths of two teens who thought police were chasing them -- began in Paris' poor suburbs, where many immigrants from North and West Africa live with their French-born children in high-rise housing projects.

France's worst unrest since the 1968 student-worker protests is forcing the country to confront decades of simmering anger over racial discrimination, crowded housing and unemployment.

In scattered attacks overnight Sunday-Monday, vandals in the southern city of Toulouse rammed a car into a primary school before setting the building on fire.

In northern France, arsonists set fire to a sports center in the suburb of Faches-Thumesnil and a school in the town of Halluin, the North regional government said.

A gas canister exploded inside a burning garbage can in the Alpine city of Grenoble, injuring two police officers, the national police said, adding that three other officers were injured elsewhere.

From Sunday to Monday, 115 people were taken into custody, police said. Since the beginning of the unrest, 2,767 people have been arrested.

Violence has decreased steadily since France declared a state of emergency Wednesday. The measure, unless extended, is set to end Nov. 20.

Government spokesman Jean-Francois Cope said the bill approved by the Cabinet on Monday would leave open the possibility of ending the emergency measures before three months are up, if order is restored.

Officials already are turning their attention to helping riot-hit towns recover: European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso proposed Sunday that the European Union give $58 million to France, and said it could make up to $1.17 billion available in longer-term support for suburban jobs and social cohesion.

Later Monday, Chirac was to make a televised statement about the violence -- his third public comment since the unrest began, the Elysee Palace said. His comments Monday to the Cabinet were reported to journalists by Cope, the spokesman.

Within the next few days, France is expected to start deporting foreigners implicated in the violence, a plan by law-and-order Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy that has raised concerns among human rights groups, and questions among other ministers.

Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said he agreed that illegal immigrants could be sent home, but not foreigners with permission to live in France.

"A French person who carried out a crime or a misdemeanor in France cannot be treated in one way while a foreigner with papers in order is treated in another," he told Europe-1 radio. "It's not possible." :evil:

Associated Press writers Christine Ollivier and Cecile Brisson in Paris contributed to this report.


11/14/2005 07:39:40
 
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