Britney Spears & Her ??? Condition

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as you know - the Michael Jackson thread was closed and we did go far off-topic. Here it is - resume the debate! :cool2:
 
I think she is just a substance abuser. That frequently mimics bipolar disorder which is a convenient excuse.
 
Bottesini said:
I think she is just a substance abuser. That frequently mimics bipolar disorder which is a convenient excuse.
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I disagree - I firmly believe that she had postpartnum depression that went out of control - I have two daughters 13 months apart and that caused a major hormonal upheaval for me. I did literally go crazy so I can relate to her woes very well. Britney had her sons 12 months apart - I can clearly see how her hormones played a role in her behavior.

Of course she may have substance abuse but that often goes in hand to hand for untreated depression, etc.

That is my 2 cents..
 
Bottesini said:
I think she is just a substance abuser. That frequently mimics bipolar disorder which is a convenient excuse.
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Gemma said:
I disagree - I firmly believe that she had postpartnum depression that went out of control - I have two daughters 13 months apart and that caused a major hormonal upheaval for me. I did literally go crazy so I can relate to her woes very well. Britney had her sons 12 months apart - I can clearly see how her hormones played a role in her behavior.

Of course she may have substance abuse but that often goes in hand to hand for untreated depression, etc.

That is my 2 cents..
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I think it's a combination of both.

Afterall--look at her family....
 
Gemma said:
I disagree - I firmly believe that she had postpartnum depression that went out of control - I have two daughters 13 months apart and that caused a major hormonal upheaval for me. I did literally go crazy so I can relate to her woes very well. Britney had her sons 12 months apart - I can clearly see how her hormones played a role in her behavior.

Of course she may have substance abuse but that often goes in hand to hand for untreated depression, etc.

That is my 2 cents..
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I know most of us think of it as PMS-on-steroid. could you tell us (unmarried men) more about postpartum depression?
 
Gemma said:
I disagree - I firmly believe that she had postpartnum depression that went out of control - I have two daughters 13 months apart and that caused a major hormonal upheaval for me. I did literally go crazy so I can relate to her woes very well. Britney had her sons 12 months apart - I can clearly see how her hormones played a role in her behavior.

Of course she may have substance abuse but that often goes in hand to hand for untreated depression, etc.

That is my 2 cents..
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Actually, I think you are probably right. I had forgotten about postpartum depression. That combined with her lifestyle is a very plausible explanation.
 
Bottesini said:
I think she is just a substance abuser. That frequently mimics bipolar disorder which is a convenient excuse.
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substance abuse does not represent a diagnosis of bipolar. bipolar is caused by genetic history, one's environment, stressors or antidepressants (which can cause mania in people who are bipolar).

in spears' case, she was evaluated by a psychiatrist who said that she was experiencing a manic episode. in order to be diagnosed as having a manic episode, a person must exhibit a number of symptoms listed under the DSM.
 
Hear Again said:
substance abuse does not represent a diagnosis of bipolar. bipolar is caused by genetic history, one's environment, stressors or antidepressants (which can cause mania in people who are bipolar).

in spears' case, she was evaluated by a psychiatrist who said that she was experiencing a manic episode. in order to be diagnosed as having a manic episode, a person must exhibit a number of symptoms listed under the DSM.
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no no - Bottesini's saying that behavior caused by substance abuse is as similar as behavior caused by bipolar disorder.
 
Jiro said:
no no - Bottesini's saying that behavior caused by substance abuse is as similar as behavior caused by bipolar disorder.
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i understand. what i'm saying is that there are many substance abusers who are misdiagnosed as bipolar.
 
Hear Again said:
i understand. what i'm saying is that there are many substance abusers who are misdiagnosed as bipolar.
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there you go. maybe Britney Spears is misdiagnosed as bipolar as well...
 
Jiro said:
there you go. maybe Britney Spears is misdiagnosed as bipolar as well...
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that could be, but we'll never know, will we?

then again, substance abuse of drugs and alcohol are common among people diagnosed with bipolar -- especially when they are experiecing a manic episode. in that case, spears could be dually-diagnosed.
 
What about Gemma's post? Because that would explain quite a bit as well.......especially if she had children within 12 months and boozin' and druggin'.
 
Hear Again said:
that could be, but we'll never know, will we?
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yup.... yup.... but I think I can somewhat logically conclude that in her case - it was caused by drug/alcohol abuse and many news reported her checking into Eric Clapton's Crossroads Centre in Antigua (only a day though) and Promises - a residential rehab center in Malibu. Both rehabs are for drug/alcohol addictions.

Remember that news of her being carried out of her home to hospital and she had to be restrained? It was reported that she was extremely disruptive and belligerent at doctors and nurses. so she had to be given a massive dose of Haldol and Ativan. Next day - she was released against medical advice. so.... what if she was drunk and high on prescription medications?

Remember when Dr. Phil paid a visit to her hospital? here's what happened -

The grand master of TV psychology, Dr. Phil McGraw, even planned to dedicate an entire show to Spears's health, but at least he had met with her in the hospital on Saturday at the request of her family. But Dr. Phil quickly reversed course, releasing a statement on his Web site saying that he had canceled the episode "out of consideration for the family" and because he said Britney's situation was "too intense."
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That gave me a chuckle. what a fool he is.
 
Hear Again said:
the symptoms of postpartum depression only last a few days or weeks and do not include substance abuse.
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"weeks"..... I suppose she treated her postpartum depression with drugs and booze thus exacerbating & prolonging her postpartum depression...

:dunno:
 
Jiro said:
Remember that news of her being carried out of her home to hospital and she had to be restrained? It was reported that she was extremely disruptive and belligerent at doctors and nurses. so she had to be given a massive dose of Haldol and Ativan. Next day - she was released against medical advice. so.... what if she was drunk and high on prescription medications?
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that could also be a sign of mania since one of the symptoms of mania is extreme irritability. when i experienced my first manic/psychotic episode 2 years ago, i was also very disruptive and beligerant. i had to be restrained by 4 people so they could administer an antipsychotic injection.
 
Jiro said:
"weeks"..... I suppose she treated her postpartum depression with drugs and booze thus exacerbating & prolonging her postpartum depression...

:dunno:
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given spears' substance abuse, that's probably why her psychiatrist didn't diagnose her with postpartum depression. i'm guessing that there were other behaviors which pointed to a diagnosis of bipolar.
 
Jiro said:
"weeks"..... I suppose she treated her postpartum depression with drugs and booze thus exacerbating & prolonging her postpartum depression...

:dunno:
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That would be the average for post partum depression. There are severe cases that last much longer, especially when a woman who is predisposed has 2 children very close together. There is also and extremewly severe form known as post partum psychosis.
 
jillio said:
That would be the average for post partum depression. There are severe cases that last much longer, especially when a woman who is predisposed has 2 children very close together. There is also and extremewly severe form known as post partum psychosis.
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that doesn't sound pretty.... :Ohno: but do you agree that booze/drug abuse can exacerbate & prolong it?
 
Well I would love to sit here and discuss this more but unfortunately my little weather radio just went off...

Time to get to work and to batten down the batches--70 mph winds are coming. :Ohno: Ugh!

If I don't talk to any of you before midnight tonite--Happy New Year!
 
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