Born again Christians

[Liebling:-)))]

You could still have your own choice to decide who to follow and who to believe. Just simple by followin' your own heart what is right for you.

Yes that's right.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I felt it's bit topic off that's why I did not make my post an earlier because I don't want to make topic off on Cheri's thread. Now I feel I has to, so I am trying to fix your post without critizing/bash you.

Well, you still have your own choice to decide who to follow and who to believe. Follow your heart what you feel is right for you. Every person is not the same to feel what's right or what's not right. Every person's view is different. They feel different from what we feel or what they think different from what we think

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Right

Some grew up very strong in background, some don't. Like for example : I see one person keep postin' links from website repeatly and thought it was annoyin' WHILE others don't see it anythin' wrong. They may see that I bash that person while I don't see bein' bash on that person. Every person sees different. It often times that it could be misunderstandin'.

You claimed that you can't see that you bash on that person and then it could be misunderstand. You always said that members and moderators still can't get it. I beleive those dictonary will help you to understand about yourself how the members and moderators feel about your posts because you criticize/bash/disrespect instead of agree/disagree with their posts. I hope those links help to understand about yourself.

bash
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/bash.html

5. transitive verb criticize somebody or something harshly: to criticize somebody or something harshly and usually publicly

criticize
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861601424/criticize.html

Definition:

1. express disapproval of somebody or something: to express disapproval of or dissatisfaction with somebody or something


2. give considered opinion on something: to make a considered assessment of the qualities of something, especially a creative work

EXAMPLE:

Excuse me for off-topic :

You need to stop tellin' everyone about your thread in every time they create their own thread, no matter if, you have them or not. Just let them create their own thread and share with others for their opinions/POV/etc., etc. Okay ? It's kinda of annoyin' to see you keepin' paste the links for them to respond to your threads the whole time. Sheesh You are makin' them to feel that you are brushin' them off by respondin' in your threads instead of theirs. Where's your respect ? Pls, respect their threads, too. Thanks !

yes this is criticize/bash, that's how moderator and members feel after read those post.

You should ignore this person's post because it's her/his POV, not yours. You has not right to criticize/bash this person's post because this person's post is not disrespectful but relate the same thread and spread out the information - the creator is happy with a person.

I would ignore this person's post when I were you and continue to make posts if I have different feeling as you like what you mention in your previous posts. I have seen many criticize/bash in any threads but I choose to ignore them and make my own POV.

When they preach us at the same time they don't examine their own hearts first, then it could cause friction against one another's difference.

Unfortunlately yes, I can see that many relignons beliefs don't beleive to examine their own hearts but let the bible influence on them. Some of Relgion beliefs said that it's selfish to think about myself and make decision what I wants, not think about bible. I was like eeh? I see nothing wrong to think about myself and follow my heart and decision. Like what I said before that I follow my heart and mind, not do what the bible says. I like to share the information what I know from my mind and heart and like to help people. The people appreciate it very much without annoy and complaint because they are interesting to have feedback/share the information...

It is hard because, everyone is different. It's why each person still have their own choice to decide who to follow and who to believe.

Yes, that's right. I notice some people are difficult person... I would like to provide the link where I create the thread about diffuicult person, how you deal without criticize them.

How to deal with difficult people http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=19344

You could still have your own choice to decide who to follow and who to believe. Just simple by followin' your own heart what is right for you.

Exactly, I follow my heart and feeling what I made with my POV without get criticize from anyone. I have no problem to have anyone to agree/disagree with me except criticize/bash.



Sorry for bit topic off, Cheri

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Only My favorite quote.. I always beleive HIM all in my heart everday..

No matter anytime do you want pray and to seek for forgiven anytime you can ask...
There's no limits.. God knows and plans for you everyday...
I wish I could knew what God plans for me ? I like to know what plan ? Don't know..
I was backsliding the chrisitan for long time but still I do everyday praying.. ( I admit) I'm not perfect but I'm just human beings.

Like everyone who have sins.. always have there... nobody perfect if you feel mistake.. still there! No matter anytime, you can pray God, to seek for forgiven.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Nah, the way I see it is that "Christians" who get upset every time they sin and commune with God after each and every time they sin are living a legalistic life when they don't need to..........the "true" Christian knows he is a sinner but is at peace with him/herself because he knows that Jesus did it all for him and his carriage/behavior in life is based on grace. That said, a Christian so saved works hard at being a "good" person or as Christ-like as possible.


The legalistic approach is a contradiction in terms for attainment is impossible. Reba, help! LOL!

P.S. Nice to see ya back, Cheri, btw,,,,,,,and Angel, too, wherever you are. Did a lotta ribs lately, huh?

That's a perfect way to explain that. Bec any church that is toooo legalistoc, that is thinking to approve God or say depend what sin you did and etc, I don't agree with that. I strongly believe Grace alone. But yes, I must let go of me and let God teach me every step of the way. Even many christians talked behind my back and gossip, I keep my eyes on the Lord what He did for me, not what I do. That's a good way to point that out and that's what christians need to understand, its Grace itself and God do the work in me. Smile

 

[Maria]

I felt it's bit topic off that's why I did not make my post an earlier because I don't want to make topic off on Cheri's thread. Now I feel I has to, so I am trying to fix your post without critizing/bash you.

Lieblin' -- you didn't have to do that, because I know. You have to remember that each person is not the same. You have your own beliefs and I have my own beliefs. We both don't see the same views.

Exactly, I follow my heart and feeling what I made with my POV without get criticize from anyone. I have no problem to have anyone to agree/disagree with me except criticize/bash.

This thread is about born again Christians who preach others about their sins while born again Christians have their own sins, too. I am tryin' to explain the difference in between people, because they view things differently from one another. You don't have to explain about the " problems " via links that you provide. Let's move on. Ok ? I know there are some certain members who have to explain things over and over with you, because they thought yours doesn't make sense. You see, it is why your view is different from others AND, they view different from yours. Was it because you are from German and, they are from Americans ? I explained to Cheri about foreign country.. same thing, because of their culture, background and environment are different. For example : It could offend to some American people when other " foreign " person from other country is usin' " flip bird " means " father " in sign language - it doesn't mean it is bad word. It's their sign language, not America's sign language. I know I would feel funny, but that's the way it is. It's part of life.

Gee - please, forgive me Cheri for a little bit off-topic.

Lieblin' - let's stop goin' off-topic and try to focus on what Cheri's thread is about. Ok ? You want to discuss it more - use PM. Thanks.

 

[jazzy]

Cheri, I unds where it all comes from. This is one reason I would never be a conservative christian but a liberal christian. I would never say this word, I am born-again Christian because I do not believe those words "born-again". Many of them are baby in spirit and need years to mature. I have not met any older mature Christians say this to me "born-again Christian" but for young and inexperience would say this often to me and attack me because of my faith. It takes me years to tolerate them, still get upset once awhile when they said to me.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

I can understand of how you feel about "born again". But born again does not mean you are mature, its receiving the Holy Spirit in you. Well, like liberals or conservative. I wasn't interesting in the title. Each christians and I say all christians fall along the way, but different degree. Sometimes in a key we need to focus is the fruit of the Spirit, even mature christians will tell you they understand you and admit they themselves made a mistakes, but setting the goal toward heavenward bound. Mac Lucado has a excellent example of who we are and wrote many books. Only thing we have to understand who we are in Christ if we are hot or cold. But important part is don't cut yourself down, Jesus never turn His back on you. Yeah, Jesus doesn't call us to be neutral and at the same time He didn't call us to cut down on peoples throat. Have to have a balance. There are ways we may go to far to the right or to far to the left. Key is the Gospel and Grace, but miunderstood the word preach, not mean, casting stone, He meant sharing the faith who Christ is. Each has the differences of how we react or say and live also. Smile

 

[samantha kennel]

born again

means that you are born into a spiritual life with Christ.... change old bad ways into God ways...you are trnssformed into a new person through Christ

 

[jazzy]

means that you are born into a spiritual life with Christ.... change old bad ways into God ways...you are trnssformed into a new person through Christ

Simple and it makes sense. Welcome to board.

 

[Reba]

Interesting, The reason I asked this question because I don't believe it, Let me tell you why, How can some be born-again Christians and still repeats it's sins?

The very moment that a person repents and accepts Jesus Christ as Savior, the Holy Spirit enters that person. The Holy Spirit permanently stays in the saved person.

One of the duties of the Holy Spirit is to convict Christians of their sins. That is, the Holy Spirit "bothers" the Christian with guilt until the Christian repents that sin. Sometimes that conviction process takes a long time, and the sins cause a lot of damage.

Keep in mind, some people say that they are Christians but they really never repented and accepted Jesus as Savior. Some people think they are Christians just because their parents were Christians, or because they joined a church, or because they were baptized, or they had a vision, or they went thru confirmation classes, or whatever.

Also, there are "baby" Christians who don't fully understand the way God wants them to live. If they have no previous exposure to Christian living or Bible study, then sometimes it takes a while for them to have fuller understanding of spiritual things.

Also, sadly, there are many churches today that don't teach and preach the Bible in a strong, deep way. Those churches focus on entertainment instead of God's Word, and they leave their members spiritually shallow. If people don't have the strong weapons of God, such as the Bible and prayer, then they are too weak to fight temptations.

Isn't the holy spirits supposed to protect you or guide you to the right path?

Yes, the Holy Spirit helps Christians more clearly understand the Bible, convict against sin, and comfort during trouble.

When a person is born again, he/she gets the "new" nature with the new birth. That is the Holy Spirit nature of God. However, the "old" nature of sin tendency is also still in a Christian. These two natures struggle within a Christian.

Which nature wins? It depends on which nature is fed and made stronger, and which nature is starved and becomes weaker.

How to "feed" the new nature of the Holy Spirit? Daily Bible reading and study, much prayer, fellowship with mature Christians, attending church services, reading good Christian literature (like biographies of missionaries), and (for hearing people) listening to Christian music.

How to "feed" the old nature of sin? Watch bad movies and TV programs, read trashy magazines, hang out with unsaved people in bars, laugh at dirty jokes, and (for hearing people) listen to worldly music.

Those are some examples.

Just like how Jesus had a holy spirit in him, God was in him, he did everything right, but some born-again Christians didn't. Why is it different?

Jesus was, and is God. We are human sinners. That's what is different. Jesus never had a sin nature in Him. Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father, are all equal.

Just to be clear, the Holy Spirit is not the same as "a holy spirit". The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Godhead. He is not just "a" spirit, He is "The" Spirit. There is only one Holy Spirit.

 

[Reba]

Ok, If they're not perfect what gives them the right to preach us for our sins that we commited when they've sins too. I don't get it. Explain that to me.

No person is "perfect". However, each person should examine his own life first, and repent, before preaching to others.

When you said it takes them a while to change, I thought once they're touched by a holy spirit their whole life change within minutes after they've been touched.

When a person is saved, the Holy Spirit enters that person immediately. However, that is just the beginning. The Holy Spirit is in the person but has not yet filled the person. Being filled with the Holy Spirit means the Holy Spirit has full control over the sin nature. That doesn't happen right away. It takes time and spiritual growth. It is a constant process. Each day, the Christian has to pray for filling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit never leaves but the Holy Spirit's influence can become weak in the Christian if the Christian neglects feeding the Spirit.

The Christian's position with God does change immediately upon salvation and the entering of the Holy Spirit. That means, the Christian is guaranteed to go to Heaven, and is a child of God. Those things never change.

However, becoming more holy and Christlike is a life-long, daily (really, minute-by-minute) process.

 

[Reba]

It's true we cannot see what's in anyone's heart or mind. but we can see the way they behave, their actions. I don't think born-again Christians are any special than the rest of us, because for one, they're a sinner too, and I don't like how they think they have all this power to control people by preaching us the words from the bible.

There are some people with annoying personalities and ways that do try to control others. That's true.

However, that doesn't mean we should ignore the truth of the Bible. God's Word is still true. Sometimes the truths in the Bible can be painful to hear. That is called conviction.

For example. A person who cheats on income taxes doesn't like to read or hear Bible verses that condemn lying and stealing. A person who gets drunk doesn't like to read or hear verses against drunkeness.

Isn't it up to each one of us to decide who to follow and who to believe?

I'm not sure what you mean about following and believing. Do you mean about preachers?

 

[Angel]

No person is "perfect". However, each person should examine his own life first, and repent, before preaching to others.

Exactly, Thank you!!!

 

[indie]

Cant that without Jesus Christ. I never heard Holy Spirit living around you without Jesus Christ. How your veiwed yourself without Jesus Christ?

I dont know about the holy spirit but i do know that God is every where and with every one waiting for them to accept christ.He dose not leave one person behind because they are not christian or born again.

 

[XBGMER]

I've seen some who are born-again Christians, My question is when you're a born-again Christian does that mean a Holy Spirit living within you?

No, I was ignorant when Holy Ghost was with me when I was born from the woman like Jesus was child of spirit in the woman 's womb. Christ revealed us whats his truth was true! its not meaning me born again chrstian. I can see nature born nature itself by truth.