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I'm not sure you understand what I'm trying to say at all. First of all, there is a lot of sales and marketing still happening. Have you seen the "One less" commercials? The whole pitch is, "Get the Gardasil vaccine, and be one less woman who has to battle cervical cancer". They very gingerly...

I lost a close family friend to cancer two years ago. She was way too young. My mom also got diagnosed with cervical cancer last year, but had a hysterectomy and is doing fine. I don't know if anyone will be interested, but this is something my parents found when my mom was diagnosed...

Just turkey and all the stuffing I can find. ;) My roommate made a Thanksgiving dinner last Sunday, then I had real Thanksgiving on Thursday, so between all the leftovers, I think I had like, 7 days total of only eating Thanksgiving. Such a good week. :lol:

It's also hard because a patent only lasts for 20 years from the day you file it. That means that you only have 20 years to produce a product, test it, get it reviewed and approved, then mass produce and market it. Tends to make them a little anxious.

Haha, yeah, most people aren't that interested in chemistry until they find out that they're paying for my degree. Then they wish they'd picked a "real" major. :giggle: :cool2:

I'm not sure where you think I said any of that. I never said to stop them, and I never said they were a failure. I think they are being marketed as more than they are, and I think most people will not know enough to realize that this isn't going to just stop cervical cancer. It's much more...

Yeah, BU is nice, but I'm not really a city person, so I'm still getting used to Boston. But yeah, we should definitely meet up if you're ever up here. Just let me know. :wave: Actually, chemistry is one of those cool subjects where the school pays for my tuition and I get a yearly stipend...

Odds are I would never be aware of it. I do computational chemistry, so everything I do is theoretical. My side is more to study and weed out good ideas from bad ones, or do theoretical studies of mechanisms that would be impossible to study experimentally. And if they pressure the FDA at all...

Which is strange, because I'm not at all. I'm getting a Ph.D in chemistry, and intend to go into research in industry. That means that my top job market is going to be large drug companies. I don't think you're understanding the point of my posts. If people want to get the vaccine, fine. I would...

This has nothing to do with the virus. This is about the fact that they are clearly bending the truth on their fliers. If they can do it with something as basic as what the vaccine even is, do you really feel confident that they won't with anything else? If you think that Merck is more concerned...

They didn't manipulate it. But it's close enough that they get away with saying it. This is exactly my point. I really don't get why people keep thinking I don't understand how vaccines work. All I'm trying to say is that there are ways for them to bend the truth. A lot of ways. And they do.

And I'm not sure what you consider doing your homework, but here's the third sentence on that page. "The proteins in Gardasil are structural, virus-like proteins (VLP) that resemble the HPV virus." Sounds an awful lot like what I've said this whole page....

Which is exactly why they get away with this. Inactive and dead are much more similar. This is neither of those. A lot of the things that they say are "just semantics", but the fact is that they can and do mislead people.

I never said otherwise. I think people should educate themselves first, but that isn't even my biggest worry. The thing that I worry about the most is that they are creating a false sense of security, and that will pull attention away from further research and testing which could help us better...

Again, I know how vaccines work. You still don't seem to get the point. It isn't HPV. It is misleading for them to say so, but they are able to do it anyways.

Yes, it triggers the same antibodies. The similar was supposed to be carrying over from the "similar structure". Same structure, same antibodies. But it isn't HPV, which you're finally admitting now. And what does this even mean, "HPV is the manifest form of the disease. "?

Ooh, a shovel? What for? :hmm:

Yes, I am saying that. It does not form the same protein as in a live viral infection. Again, it is a virus-like protein. In this case, it assembles into a similar structure as the HPV capsid, triggering a similar antibody response. It isn't HPV. I don't know how much more clearly I can say it...

The fact that you don't understand what I'm trying to explain is exactly why they can get away with bending the truth in their statements. This is not an "inactive form", and it will not "become active" once injected. It isn't the virus. It is a protein that will self-assemble into the same...

It works in the same way that other Subunit Vaccines work, yes. But it is not true to say that it contains an "inactive form" of the virus. It doesn't. There are many different types of vaccines. Some contain viruses which have been rendered inactive by heat or chemical means, some have simply...