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    9/11 - what happened?

    I'm not sure if Byrdie or Reba are still reading this, but I had a few other thoughts. First of all, here is a picture of the recent plane crash in Buffalo. Since I figure most people have heard about it in the news, you'll know that it basically fell at a dead drop (since the last time they...
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    Marriage or Civil Union

    Hahaha, I've had so many people tell me that, Byrdie, you have no idea. I thought about it, but I think my general stubborn-ness and love of arguing would end up getting me in trouble pretty soon. :laugh2::laugh2:
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    9/11 - what happened?

    :laugh2: I think we just need to live in the CSI universe, where no matter how crappy the video camera was, you can always improve the resolution and get a clear picture of someone's face. But I swear, Jiro, I saw this picture taken on 9/11 and I think that actually Big Foot was responsible...
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    Marriage or Civil Union

    I have to admit, I'm a little lost. So you're for equality, but not for equality.... yes? I mean, to me "equality" isn't really a ball-park figure kind of deal. Things either are or aren't equal. In this case, civil unions and marriages are definitely not equal. If you want to support civil...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    Right, but that's kind of the point. Obviously we're going to use the same pictures, they're all of the same thing. But if the pictures, and experts cancel each other out, then we're just left with the actual evidence left over. Personally, going based on what I know scientifically I think that...
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    Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution

    Reba, you should read the book I mentioned in my post to Jiro, too. Because guess what, so do I. :cool2: There's a really interesting comparison of the "six days of creation" and current scientific theories about the events from the big bang onwards, incorporating the fact that we know the...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    Personally, Reba, the only thing I saw on that site about the Pentagon was one man's take. He starts out from the beginning saying that he is in no way an expert, nor does he know anything about structural engineering. Then he presents some pictures, which to me don't match up with his...
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    Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution

    Me too, Jiro. I recently read a book called "The Science of God" by Gerald Schroeder, that I thought was excellent. It basically explains how the conflicts between religious and scientific views are generally caused by misunderstandings on both sides, and shows some really amazing parallels...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    By the two planes, I meant the one that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon, and the one that crashed into the mountain that you had mentioned would not have the same explosion. I would recommend reading about the accuracy of eyewitness testimonies, especially in a situation like this, where...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    First of all, the amount of fuel present does not change its maximum temperature. Temperature is an intensive property. Secondly, I'm not sure what types of chemical reactions you're imagining. Both planes had jet fuel, same with the plane in the other example I gave which crashed while taking...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    I promise I'm not a conspiracy nut, and I obviously don't claim to know what actually happened that day. Here's what I know: the government presented explanations that don't match the documented evidence from that day, and that in some cases are just scientifically impossible. Does this mean...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    Some more things to consider, here's the wreckage from a plane that flew at full speed into the side of a mountain. http://www.losthorizons.com/Newsletter/police-017.jpg Look at the size of what's left. Ok, fine, maybe since there's snow around, that affected the heat of the burning jet fuel...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    Ok, let's take the fuel into consideration. Now first of all, let's consider the huge fireball that shot out of the building upon impact (basically the only footage in existence). So if we consider how much fuel was lost in that explosion, we then have to consider that jet fuel at peak...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    Apparently not, since despite only damaging the outer layer of the building, all that remained of the plane were scraps of metal, each able to be carried off one person at a time. Take another look at the second picture I just posted, and explain how that plane seemingly disappeared into thin air.
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    9/11 - what happened?

    If it was possible to accept it, I would. But look at this. http://donsplace.us/pentagate/rotor_found.jpg This is supposed to be the engine rotor of a Boeing 757. For another view of this part of the plane, see this picture...
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    9/11 - what happened?

    So Reba linked to this thread, and after 13 pages, I'm almost speechless. I can't believe that people still don't get it. Here's what it boils down to. People like Cloggy and myself have questions. Perfectly normal, simple questions which arise naturally from the events of that day, and the...
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    Censorship

    See, this is why I think that it's important to be informed. The way that you're thinking of an "incubator" isn't actually how this would work. If you take a fire, and "incubate" it, that would actually mean that you cut off its oxygen supply, which would make it burn less hot. Also, I can't...
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    Censorship

    See, I don't consider it a waste of my time, and I try to stay away from rumors and conspiracy theories also. What I do like is knowledge. As a scientist, there are just certain things that I know are facts. Like: I know for a fact that jet fuel cannot melt steel. So when things that I'm being...
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    Censorship

    I don't see how you can automatically say that these things aren't false without even asking what I'm talking about. I didn't say everything, I said almost, and the sad thing is, that's pretty accurate. I can think of very few things that the government has reported about 9/11 that actually...
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    Censorship

    Right, but the thing is, that they are covering up a lot of things, and that the "concrete" reports that they have presented are so ridiculous, but they refuse to admit it, or comment on any of it. You can give a plausible explanation for things while you continue an investigation, without...
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