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We don't really have any 'oral only' schools, it's a misconception these days, as is far as is possible the full box' (i.e, what we call total communication here), approach is used, the deaf community is still however not happy because the sign used is SE or SSE and NOT, BSL. It would seem the...

No, not the child's choice, the parents, that's the law, at least it is here, we have an 'age of consent' do you not have this ? This age of consent states until a child reaches that age, it's 16-18 here, then the responsibility is the parents. Practically I cannot see, how a 5 yr old or even...

Slavery is not a modern concept, or 200 years old, it's thousands of years old, and it's not a strictly black oriented issue, it is despicable and wrong whoever did it let's get that right, but Egyptians, Romans and Assyrians were not fussy who they enslaved. Lesser acknowledged, is the black...

Discrimination and racism is unacceptable, but what, is the point, asking the people of TODAY, to apologies for something that happened over 200 years ago ? How far back do we go to 'clear the slate' ? Should Americans apologize for their Independence from us, (A lot of Brits got killed as...

According to shel90 giving her a full tool box maybe a waste of time, as she and others (Including yourself), retain the right to refuse to use it. It makes you wonder what sort of education WILL suit a deaf child, what makes a person decide it is better NOT to talk to fit in some image ...

I'd only advocate speech for those capable, and as an extra string to their bow, anything that can assist a deaf child or adult to communicate easier has to be supported. Deaf politics has no place in the schoolroom. As an ADULT I will always support speech usage, I'm no supporter of those...

I don't know about the USA, but the acquired deaf run most things here in the UK, including many sign using groups, seems we have that extra 'edge' and link to mainstream they haven't.... this is a complete turn around from 20 years ago, when it was virtually impossible a non-dedicated sign user...

I'm more than able to respond, it's just not going anywhere now ..... we seem to have reached the plateau on this item, no-one is going to change their view. :dunno: So you're sayingthe old deaf no longer exist then as any force ? so who is making all the noise then ? SO long as you have...

I suggest this is guesswork deafdyke, there's so much variation in world deaf and HI education that is supposition too. CHILDREN are different, sign language DOES affect speech it's a well-known and documented fact. It creates confusion in the border-line deaf particularly. ASL is a VISUAL...

AD's need their own thing I think ! perhaps they need to dump the hearing and deaf worlds and do it their way ? they have the numbers, they'd use whatever they want and to hell with what others say, I believe most do anyway, as they have been forced into that situation. What does 'exposed' to...

No, I'm saying most acquired deaf see it this way. Deafdyke: Many AD's do need intensive counselling that's true, but to come to terms with the loss, NOT to suggest deaf culture is the answer for them, the problem in the UK, is when someone loses hearing (Totally), and has problems they are...

I think a lot miss the point. Acquired deaf see any campaign or gripe by 'born deaf' (i.e. those who never really had any useful hearing, and for whom deafness IS a norm), as very upsetting, neither side really can find real middle ground with each other, at some point they will oppose each...

Acquired deaf will alway aspire to what was, I was stating they can't be part of any cultural world, or hearing world, it aint gonna happen I agree, their aims, are always toward what was, because which they see as swapping one form of Isolation for yet another, but with people that are not...

I find that isolation from the mainstream, drives most things, even deaf cultural aspiration, that some deaf have uniquely side-stepped this by banding together, has this changed the real issue ? Many with loss, can't be a part of that, so HAVE to go for some sort of compromise or REALLY be...

Of course you will then get a counter-view that suggests only deafness provides the real impetus for sign usage and hence to cultural aspiration, they do appear inter-dependant, because hearing aids and such show lesser the need to use sign, it's pretty basic, e.g. if you can still hear with a...

Interesting responses but there isn't anything changing is there ? It's down to if you think integration is a viable option or even a preferred one doesn't it ? I don't think true integration is possible without a radical challenge to deaf culture and a wider acceptance of 'interventions' like...

Special needs is what provides the basis of most support in the UK, including welfare payments etc. I suggest it does in the USA too. You are right about the US being more 'open' (If I Understand you rightly), but your system is such that it is encouraged, via more choices you have in the USA...

<I personally believe Deaf Culture not only benefits deaf people but hearing people as well. I believe the very existence of signed languages benefits society because it gives us examples of what communication can be> There is little doubt sign language benefits 'some' deaf people, but not...

I'd like proof of that.... I've not seen it. It does suggest, parents do not care, they do, and most will have examnined the 'deaf way', I have an autistic child and queried/examined an autistic upbring and consulted peers, adult and child, and questioned parents also. I did too consult the...

I'm wondering how effective it can be, given the parent has the last word.... it's not children who choose is it ? and how can they ? I cannot see any child with residual hearing choosing ASL or their parents. They'll exhaust all other options first. The danger, is offering choice where it...