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For a good historical answer, you can check this essay on my boards, written by a bible scholar.

Lawdy lawd! That's painfully false, and a terribly bad generalization of "evolutionists." If you impugn the evolutionists by attributing sinister motives with a sweeping generalization, you are engaging in an ad-hominem fallacy. If you can't discuss the ideas without speculating about the...

Newsflash: you're confused, or just forgot what you learned in biology class. :lol: Darwin didn't find "bones," he found how to transform the age-old theory of evolution into a science with the discovery of natural selection.

My, what horseblinders! Theistic reasoning at its best. :laugh2: Keep tilting at those windmills and don't forget the straws, ma'am! :thumb: Hebrew chronology contradicts the age of the earth, so there's no need to pretend you're fooling anyone. :zzz:

The Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. According to radiometric dating methods, the oldest rocks found on the surface of the Earth are 3.8 to 3.9 bilion years old. However, those rocks are sedimentary and very scarce, and contain minerals which are themselves 4.1 to 4.2 billion years...

are we having a bible-thump-off? I admit there's nothing funnier than a bunch of Christians preaching to one another on theological quibbles. :D The only thing a neutral bystander can conclude from these squabbles is that a sacred book yeilds many interpretations.

By the way, I know a theologian who is both a Charismatic and a Calvinist. :mrgreen: He goes to Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, i think for a THD, and posts on the theologyweb.com forum.

Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits. - Dan Barker

speaking as a dialectician.... To help push this thread further off-topic, free will and predestination are not contradictory, as long if and only if you assume God's omniscience entails perfect knowledge about the future. If God has perfect knowledge, which is the knowledge of everything, then...

"these people" ? Who are you referring to? If power is tantamount to might, then the logical entailment of that statement is "Might is Right."

c'est impossible! Heh. You cannot give me any credit, eh? :D I included links in my post, certainly. But I only used them to back up my use of fallacies, of which you are guilty of in a great number of your posts. Also, to show others the address of different forums to learn more about...

sweet of ya! you're too nice, cheri, but I think I'm not the only one to use my own words. :) Most of my knowledge comes from reading a lot of books, from talking to different people who think differently (scholars, believers, catholics, protestants, skeptics, muslims, tech zealots...

Yes, he seems limited in his responses, Crazy. I don't think age has anything to do with competence. :smash: I suggest you to go and join theologyweb.com for serious discussions regarding christianity, very in-depth and thorough analysis of the bible. That way you will be able to talk to...

Sad. :squint: Man. You really have no idea what i just said, askjo. Is English your 2nd language or something? So? That means as much as any of the following: If the Koran exists, the Allah-speaking exists. If the Torah exists, the YHWH-speaking exists. If the Tripitaka exists, the...

the impeccable logic of Fundamentalists Take away the particular and look at the underlying sentence structure. If God exist, then we exist. And we do exist. Therefore, God exists! Wonderful logic! This is a fallacy called the affirmation of the consequent. Very few people use...

Rebuttal of a tired verse The wise man, instead, says it to the world. :)

Good post, Crazy! I agree completely. The reason i lost my faith in christianity was because i read the bible closely, carefully and with more tools than just grammar. But I don't think everyone will interpret the bible the same way, because not everyone is the same (different psychology...

Tsk! Still missing the point. Um, that's my question. How do you distinguish between these statements, without begging the question? How do you know which creator is the true creator, without assuming one to be true first? The Koran claims Allah created everything. Is it true? Muslims think...

Old reliable! Thank you for missing my point. My post only shows how Christians think - if god exists, then the bible is true. But then again, they refer to the bible for proof of God's existence. Now, on to your post... A statement that claims something created something else does not mean...

Do you understand what circular logic is, Crazyman? My previous post is a perfect example. Of course. Many times, when i was a wee lad. :dance2: I enjoyed most of it, to say the least! Very much to the point of going to Bible study nights, but my enthusiasm got the best of me. I ended up...