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Well if you really care about the environment you won't eat factory farmed meat.

So does factory farming and vivisection. I'm not trying to condone animal control, but all governments do it. I don't know a government who is not trying to 'control' one form of wild life or other. I don't agree with it, but neither will I single out a polutition who does. If I had to write...

True, but factory farming is worse for the environment then hunting is.

You are right, they aren't the same. Factory farming is much much worse. Factory farming involves cramming animals into small cages. They are given a lot of antibiotics. At least the wolves live a good life before being shot down, whereas factory farmed animals suffer their whole life long...

I don't wear leather, fur, silk, down, or wool. I don't eat meat, dairy, eggs or Honey and avoid animal tested products when I can. You don't have to torture animals to study Alziemers. You can do it other ways. With more up to date methods that produce better results. All this is...

I'm not condoning that sort of thing. Thing is though, I don't know about any government that DOESNT practice 'population control'. There was a petition not long ago to try and ban glue traps. When the critter gets stuck on a glue trap they generally stay there and die a slow and aganising...

Neither does anyone else here it seems. If you believe what the press writes and some left wingers, then you will believe anything. I used to be left wing myself but after all this sexist mud slinging and attempts to manipulate my concern for animal rights with false statements about Sarah...

She doesn't kill wolves from helicopter. That's fiction and I for one don't believe a word of it. She's not vegan and she does believe in animal control methods that I don't agree with, but I don't know any politition who doesn't. Well their is Dennis Ketcher who is vegan, but nobody voted for...

Sure you give a real life example. However, unless you provided them with a sip and puff computer which they learnt how to operate before hand or they were vocal until the last you really wouldn't know if they HAD changed their mind at the end. I'm refering to people who lose the power...

Thanks for the updates. What does the picture look like exactly? Hope this thread gets back on track now.

I'm vegan. I am in really good physical health. I've been vegan for about 7 years I think. I feel somewhat disillusioned with the animal rights movement but it's not the animal's fault so intend to stay vegan indefinately.

Doesn't surprise me. We live in a very dishonest and unethnical society.

That's a shame.

Yes, I'm sure you are. But it doesn't change anything that I've said.

Your right this guy definately wasn't supporting choice. Anti choice more likely and pro abortion too.

Abortion DID have something to do with this issue. That's what she was arueing about before she got killed. She didn't want this abortion. He murdered her and he murdered the baby as well. It's rather a big aspect of this case to omit don't you think? I'm sorry but I don't see abortion as...

I'm now feeling really depressed at how this thread has turned out. It seems people dont really care much about this woman or her baby. They only care about the man's right to push his girlfriend into bumping off the baby. If you support abortion you are NOT pro choice. You are pro abortion...

Well said. She was very brave to defend her baby the way she did. Like with most cases of domestic violence she would have done better to get the hell out as soon as possible. I find it highly disturbing that anyone thinks it's a good thing for her to have caved in and murdered her...

Thanks for pointing that out. Yes that would be a good idea.

I don't apreciate you making that assumsion of me or my believe. I have been there myself and if I was in the woman's shoes, I would definately want the whole world to know that I had died definding my baby. The title doesn't trivialise it. It's people getting all offended about the...