Let Them Hear Foundation

[jillio]

I know that you function as jilly's ever faithful sychophant agreeing with her no matter how absurd or ridiculous the argument du jour she makes is but that post is over the top even for a sycophant like you.

Well, here goes another discussion. Again with the name calling and the accusations. Just aren't capable of discussing the facts of the topic, are you, rick?

 

[rick48]

How can I not be emotional? How can you not just see what this foundation did for myself and many others. I pulled up an article that talked about the foundation and you ripe it to pieces. I know you don't agree with CIs, but I have the joy of having 2 CIs. I have my CIs because they handled my appeals. I know their names, I know their hearts, I know the true motivations in the legal department. That is what matters to me.

Vallee,

The really sad thing is that she was able to take the focus away from what you posted: about a great organization that is out there helping people and making a real difference in people's lives and instead manipulate the debate into a referendum as to the goals and motives of the organization itself.

It is so obvious that she is so bitter and biased towards cochlear implants that she must attack and spew forth baseless allegations even against an organization that is doing something positive to help those in need. You can almost picture her foaming at the mouth as she launches into yet another anti-ci rant and tirade.

Remember what Fuzzy said: she is transparent.

Isn't funny that while LTHAdvocate, who I suspect is the attorney mentioned in the article, posted in AD for many months, jilly never had the guts to say to her directly about her advocacy what she is saying about LTH and her work now. She is the epitome of a gutless coward.

Vallee, cloggy and others my advice is to just totally ignore her. Do not give her the platform she seeks. Do not let her spread her bitterness and anti-ci and anti-oralism views into every post and thread you write.

Remember the old anti-war slogan: What if they declared a war and nobody came? Well, what if she started an argument and we did not argue?
Rick

 

[jillio]

Vallee,

The really sad thing is that she was able to take the focus away from what you posted: about a great organization that is out there helping people and making a real difference in people's lives and instead manipulate the debate into a referendum as to the goals and motives of the organization itself.

Goals and motives are relevent to the topic being discussed.

It is so obvious that she is so bitter and biased towards cochlear implants that she must attack and spew forth baseless allegations even against an organization that is doing something positive to help those in need. You can almost picture her foaming at the mouth as she launches into yet another anti-ci rant and tirade.

Remember what Fuzzy said: she is transparent.

Isn't funny that while LTHAdvocate, who I suspect is the attorney mentioned in the article, posted in AD for many months, jilly never had the guts to say to her directly about her advocacy what she is saying about LTH and her work now. She is the epitome of a gutless coward.

Oh, but I did say it directly to LTHF advocate.

Vallee, cloggy and others my advice is to just totally ignore her. Do not give her the platform she seeks. Do not let her spread her bitterness and anti-ci and anti-oralism views into every post and thread you write.

Again with the lies.

Remember the old anti-war slogan: What if they declared a war and nobody came? Well, what if she started an argument and we did not argue?
Rick

Yeah, what would happen? Let's see what would happen if you sayed out of it.

 

[Cloggy]

Joseph B. Roberson, Jr., M.D. President, Founder
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Kirk Dunn
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Les Koonce
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Jim Pollock
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And they got their knowledge/expertise together and help people that need help.
Excellent!

 

[jillio]

And they got their knowledge/expertise together and help people that need help.
Excellent!

Just because you refuse to see the elephant doesn't mean it isn't there, cloggy. Their background speaks for itself. No one has said that the foundation has not helped people. What is being pointed out is the motivation for doing so. The qualifications of the board members supports that. If you can logically dispute that, please do so.

 

[Cloggy]

Originally Posted by Cloggy:
What good is a HA going to do. When a HA doesn't help any more, THEN, CI is an option.
Your option, when a HA does not help to hear, is to live without sound.
That's not a option. An option would be to live without sound, or to live with sound

Have u personally experienced being deaf and wearing HAs? I rely on my HAs heavily when I am around hearing people. They work for me. Maybe they dont work for some but HAs are still working for a lot of people espeically people with mild hearing losses. Dont they have a right to get their HAs covered?

Why is personal experience important?

Do you have personal experience with CI?

And the answer is YES. I have seen my daughter having absolutely no benefit of HA's So, therefore, CI is not an option?
You - and many others - benefit from HA's. Excellent!....
Does that give you the right to judge people that have no benefit from HA's?

 

[jillio]

Why is personal experience important?

Do you have personal experience with CI?

And the answer is YES. I have seen my daughter having absolutely no benefit of HA's So, therefore, CI is not an option?
You - and many others - benefit from HA's. Excellent!....
Does that give you the right to judge people that have no benefit from HA's?

Who's judging people who do not benefit from HAs? And the answer would be "no". That is second hand experience, not personal, first hand experience. Shel never said that CI was not an option.

 

[Cloggy]

Just because you refuse to see the elephant doesn't mean it isn't there, cloggy. Their background speaks for itself.

You haven't shown it's an elephant. You assume it's an elephant, actually, you want it to be that. You have no idea about how much profit (if there is a profit) is being made...
It could be the nice fluffy bird.

BTW... why don't you start an organisation that provides free HA's to anyone who wants them?

 

[jillio]

You haven't shown it's an elephant. You assume it's an elephant, actually, you want it to be that. You have no idea about how much profit (if there is a profit) is being made...
It could be the nice fluffy bird.

BTW... why don't you start an organisation that provides free HA's to anyone who wants them?

You are resorting to the old tactics you use everytime a point that you don't agree with is proven.

I have assisted students in receiving assistance with their HAs through BVR, thank you. And they provide their services free of charge, not on a sliding fee scale and they do not receive payment from insurance companies. The same cannot be said of LTH. I have also assisted blind students in assistance with technology that allows them to function in an academic environment, such as braille calculators, and voice activated computer technology. Once again, through BVR, free of charge.

And the elephant is there, cloggy. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[Cloggy]

Who's judging people who do not benefit from HAs? And the answer would be "no". That is second hand experience, not personal, first hand experience. Shel never said that CI was not an option.

Mmmmm, having a deaf daughter is no personal experience. Sure felt personal to me....

So, you too don't have personal experience with being deaf, no personal experience with HA's and no personal experience with CI....

According to Shel, we have no right to an opinion...

 

[jillio]

Mmmmm, having a deaf daughter is no personal experience. Sure felt personal to me....

So, you too don't have personal experience with being deaf, no personal experience with HA's and no personal experience with CI....

According to Shel, we have no right to an opinion...

No, I don't. And that is not what shel said at all. Everything feels personal to you cloggy. And, the research you requested a few posts back has been posted. See post 59 for its location. Why don't you try reading it, and see if you can come up with anything to refute it. So far, you haven't managed to refute the facts here. And, if you want shelto give credence to what you have observed in your deaf child, why is it you refuse to give credence to what she observes in the numerous deaf children she spends the better part of the day with?

 

[Cloggy]

You are resorting to the old tactics you use everytime a point that you don't agree with is proven.

That's the whole problem... it is not proven. It is assumed... by you!

I have assisted students in receiving assistance with their HAs through BVR, thank you. And they provide their services free of charge, not on a sliding fee scale and they do not receive payment from insurance companies. The same cannot be said of LTH. I have also assisted blind students in assistance with technology that allows them to function in an academic environment, such as braille calculators, and voice activated computer technology. Once again, through BVR, free of charge.

The sliding scale is only in certain area's - you forgot to mention that... COnveniently

LTHF wants to serve everyone, regardless of income. Our sliding scale payment system makes our services affordable to those with lower incomes, or without health insurance.

Please note the sliding scale application is for LTHF patients in Palo Alto and San Ramon only.

And the elephant is there, cloggy. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

And if you repeat if often enough, people will believe you.. even you start believing it, and you haven't even been able to back that statement up....

And I assume "Elephant" means making big profits, not caring about their patients??

 

[Cloggy]

........And, if you want shelto give credence to what you have observed in your deaf child, why is it you refuse to give credence to what she observes in the numerous deaf children she spends the better part of the day with?

That's not personal experience - apearently to your definition. it's secondhand experience!

 

[jillio]

That's the whole problem... it is not proven. It is assumed... by you!

The sliding scale is only in certain area's - you forgot to mention that... COnveniently


And if you repeat if often enough, people will believe you.. even you start believing it, and you haven't even been able to back that statement up....

And I assume "Elephant" means making big profits, not caring about their patients??

And,those areas are still part of the LTH coverage area. And they advocate for insurance payment in order that they receive the insurance payment from their patients. No, cloggy, the elephant, as I have explained prior, is the financial incentive they have for their actions.

You cannot, quite obviously, dispute the facts. You are going around in circles again. Surely that merry-go-round has a stop button somewhere. Now, how about that research you asked for?

 

[jillio]

That's not personal experience - apearently to your definition. it's secondhand experience!

As is yours. You seem to want credence given to your second hand experience. If you want others to given credence for your second hand experience, then you must afford them the same.

 

[jillio]

Rob McCleland joined the Foundation in 2005 as our Executive Director. He has twenty years of leadership experience in the nonprofit sector, concentrated in the areas of leadership development and organizational advancement. His career has included positions of Vice President and Chief Financial Development Officer of a large organization in Colorado, as well as serving as the founding Dean of a College on Capitol Hill in Washington DC. Rob has consulted nationally on creating "Vision Events" that enable investors to experience the purpose and joy of knowing their gifts and efforts are making life-changing impact. Professionally, Mr. McCleland is a certified Leadership Coach and Strategic Planner, specializing in entrepreneurial solutions to organizational challenges. He recently completed his Ph.D. in Organizational Leadership, with his dissertation having explored the Executive Coach process and experience with top-level business leaders. Away from work, Rob, and his wife Dawn, enjoy hiking, travel, and home improvement projects. Rob spends any free time (futilely) attempting to unwrap himself from the little finger of his only daughter, Kaylie.


Melodie Griffanti, M.S.,CCC-A has been at our San Ramon facility for over 10 years providing hearing aid, cochlear implant and diagnostic services. She has 20 years of audiology experience. Melodie was educated at California State University at Sacramento. Her credentials include a Masters Degree in Audiology, California State Audiology and Hearing Aid Dispensing licenses, and a Certificate of Clinical Competence in Audiology. She is also a member of the American Academy of Audiology.


Sheri Byrne-Haber, B.Sc., J.D. joined the Foundation in 2004 and is the Director of the Insurance Advocacy Program. Ms. Byrne-Haber has been championing the cause of overcoming insurance denials for hearing impaired individuals since 1997, assisting almost 400 individuals in appealing their insurance denials. Ms. Byrne-Haber has an undergraduate degree in computer science and a law degree from the University of San Francisco. She passed the July, 1997 California bar exam, and is currently completing an MBA in Health Care from George Washington University. She has 3 daughters, one of whom is hearing impaired.


Joy A. Murdock, M.S., CCC-SLP joined the Foundation in 2005 to provide speech therapy, auditory training, and diagnostic evaluation services for the adults and children in our Program. She brings to us 8 years of experience in working with pediatric and adult patients who use hearing aids and/or cochlear implants. Her background includes cochlear implant team coordination of speech services and evaluations for several major hospitals locations in California as well as conducting her own private practice. She is qualified to serve individuals who use a variety of communication approaches, including auditory-oral language and total communication. Joy received her undergraduate degree at the University of California, Santa Barbara and her graduate degree at San Francisco State University, where she completed a specialization track in Aural Rehabilitation. She is licensed by the State of California, and also maintains her Certificate of Clinical Competence with the American Speech Language Hearing Association.


Annie C. Vranesic, M.A. CCC-A is a pediatric and cochlear implant audiologist. She joined the Let Them HEAR Foundation in June 2006 and provides audiological services for our Cochlear Implant Program, Pediatric Hearing Device Center and also the Jean Weingarten Peninsula Oral School for the Deaf. Annie earned her Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Iowa and her Master of Arts degree from the University of Minnesota. She completed her Clinical Fellowship in Audiology at the House Ear Institute CARE Center, in Los Angeles, California. Annie has specialized in both pediatrics and cochlear implants. Currently, she is obtaining her Doctorate of Audiology (AuD) through the University of Florida distance learning program. Her credentials include a Masters Degree in Audiology, California State Audiology and Hearing Aid Dispensing licenses, as well as a Certificate of Clinical Competence in Audiology with the American Speech Language Hearing Association.

Cloggy, why the need for all the board members and employees with financial management backgrounds if they have no profits to manage? And why all the expertise in CI and oral methods if their goal is to assist all deaf individuals. And why the insistence on using the term "hearing impaired" if they are catering to the deaf population who objects to its use?

 

[Cloggy]

............
Cloggy, why the need for all the board members and employees with financial management backgrounds if they have no profits to manage? And why all the expertise in CI and oral methods if their goal is to assist all deaf individuals. And why the insistence on using the term "hearing impaired" if they are catering to the deaf population who objects to its use?

And Jillio... why the need to post all the text again....

Mmmm Managing to provide free services and still be able to pay for the organisation... that would require some capable people.

So they don't provide ASL.... is that a problems for you. They are involved in HA's..

Being hearing impaired and wanting to hear would lead someone to the organisation....

I haven't heard any complaints from deaf people.....

 

[deafdyke]

I had insurance at the time and they didnt cover them so I felt kinda discriminated against cuz they told me that if I get a CI, they will cover it.

*nods* Not a surprise.
Cloggy, I think one thing that you don't understand is that here in the US, you can almost "shop around" to get implanted. In other countries, implantation criteria is very strict. Yes, you can't walk into an implantation center and demand implantation.......BUT, b/c HAs aren't covered and CIs are, there are prolly a significent number of folks who are ambigious canidates, who get implanted, even thou they get significent benifit from HA.
CIs rock.............but there should be uniform guidelines for implantation.....and HAs should be covered TOO!

 

[vallee]

Vallee,

The really sad thing is that she was able to take the focus away from what you posted: about a great organization that is out there helping people and making a real difference in people's lives and instead manipulate the debate into a referendum as to the goals and motives of the organization itself.

It is so obvious that she is so bitter and biased towards cochlear implants that she must attack and spew forth baseless allegations even against an organization that is doing something positive to help those in need. You can almost picture her foaming at the mouth as she launches into yet another anti-ci rant and tirade.

Remember what Fuzzy said: she is transparent.

Isn't funny that while LTHAdvocate, who I suspect is the attorney mentioned in the article, posted in AD for many months, jilly never had the guts to say to her directly about her advocacy what she is saying about LTH and her work now. She is the epitome of a gutless coward.

Vallee, cloggy and others my advice is to just totally ignore her. Do not give her the platform she seeks. Do not let her spread her bitterness and anti-ci and anti-oralism views into every post and thread you write.

Remember the old anti-war slogan: What if they declared a war and nobody came? Well, what if she started an argument and we did not argue?
Rick

Thank you Rick,

Yes that was Sheri from the article who posted here. I do know why Sheri has not been posting and it is other issues that she has going on now. I do keep in touch with them on my progress.

I am going to just say one - they never asked for money from me. two - I have a CI friend in Tennessee who received her CI in November as a direct result of my appeals and others who appealed that lead to a change in policy for Blue Cross Blue Shield. Three - my insurance company did not pay LTHF.

As I said before I do wish HA were covered in insurance. HA were not an option for me anymore. I also did not know that there were not guildlines getting a CI. I did not learn that until I came on here. I agree there needs to be guidelines. I do know my insurance company gave me strict reasons why I was not approved for one ear. It had to do with db loss and the fact they did not cover bilateral. They have now changed that policy.

 

[vallee]

*nods* Not a surprise.
BUT, b/c HAs aren't covered and CIs are, there are prolly a significent number of folks who are ambigious canidates, who get implanted, even thou they get significent benifit from HA.
CIs rock.............but there should be uniform guidelines for implantation.....and HAs should be covered TOO!

I'm learning something new since I came here. I did not know, but have heard a lot of stories about it since I got implanted.