Who is God?

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well, as a broad, God does not want you to be terrified pesistantly. I like Paul said, " Love overcomes fear (afraid). And there are questions in that, God forbid people to be terrified. No, many times, terrified does lead more to sin and terrified level is a sin. But letting God work in us and deal our weaknesses is lifelong going. David fear God with all his heart, does he not sin? He sure didn't, David's fearing God in honorably state, not terrifying state. He wept after he sinned, did he stop there? No. He keep his faith in God and letting God to work in him, and he makes surmountable mistakes along the way.
 
netrox said:
If God demands a person to believe in Jesus and sends those who don't believe, then that is NOT grace at all. It's a spiritual threat, pure and simple. That's why I encourage people to question the Bible and use their own consciousness and reason to make moral and ethical decisions. Heck, we even need a new religion with better guidelines and without spiritual threats.
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Not force on us at all, it is given to us freely if we want it. Having a grace from God is so beautiful and gift. If people do not want it then they do not have grace at all. It is your choice not to have God in your life then u get no grace but if you enter His Love and He would give u His grace. He did not demands a person to belive in Jesus. It is up to them.
 
Yiffzer said:
Do you fear your Lord?
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Define fear in your own words.

I fear Lord only if I do not ask Jesus Christ to be my savior and having Him to cleanse my sins. Then I shall not fear Lord no more.
 
jazzy said:
I am Catholic, yes they implies Jesus Christ is Son of God and therefore He is God. WE believe in trinity, Father , Son and Holy Spirit three into One. Do u notice tWhen they open first prayer by saying Father, Son and Holy Spirit, always then say rest of prayer.
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Then your Pastor is misguiding you because in my church, there is not a single thing in the Bible that states Jesus is god. There are several scriptures that point to Jesus asking God for help even though he was a mortal man. There are even references to Jesus praying.
 
Reba said:
The original Bible was NOT written in Latin.
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Yes, it was. I'm afraid so. Even Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade makes a reference to this. And do you know where the Indiana Jones gets its information from? Research. Spielberg and Lucas was researching on religious lore. Why do you think the Ark of Covenent, despite already steeped in both Jewish and Christian lore, made its appearance in Raiders of the Lost Ark? The same could be said about the cup that Jesus supposedly drank from and the Holy Grail in the third film.
 
Reba said:
JW's do NOT believe Jesus is God.
I believe Jesus IS God.
Therefor, I'm NOT JW.

OK?
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Oh Boy!!! as i grew up.. went to different churches .. I was taught that Jesus is the Son of God...
 
Reba said:
There is no justification for rudeness.


So, what if they aren't? What if I not? What if you're not? How does that justify bad manners? You can just make your points, produce your proofs, and present your conclusions without insulting people.

Or can you? Maybe rudeness and intimidation is part of your strategy to bolster weak positions. :dunno:


Then I can't help you. I can only show you the Scriptures. It's up to the Holy Spirit to convict you, and for you to surrender your pride. It's not my responsibility to convince you. Trusting the Lord is not a matter of debate and convincing arguments. Faith can't be forced on anyone.

I don't need to "prove" anything to you. I know in Whom I have believed, and He is able.

Just for the record; "most" of the Bible was NOT written by St. Paul.


That passage is not in the accepted Christian canon of Scripture.
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Why should he surrender his pride to a Christian? Remember Yiffzer's very happy to be a person of Jewish heritage. Therefore, he does not need to subscribe to your misguided beliefs.

How is Yiffzer all of that if he just wants to stick to the topic instead of evading topics like you have been with this topic? Maybe he is just trying to challenge you to open your mind so you can view everything in a new light?

And since when is there a plural word as "proofs?" I can guarantee you that word doesn't exist anywhere in the English dictionary.
 
Reba said:
Please Deafinoregon, take it easy.

(I wish I could pm you.)
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She or He does not scare me at all... why you have to PM .. so you can tell how stupid or bad i am .. why dont you tell something out right here....
 
RITCount said:
Yes, it was. I'm afraid so. Even Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade makes a reference to this. And do you know where the Indiana Jones gets its information from? Research. Spielberg and Lucas was researching on religious lore. Why do you think the Ark of Covenent, despite already steeped in both Jewish and Christian lore, made its appearance in Raiders of the Lost Ark? The same could be said about the cup that Jesus supposedly drank from and the Holy Grail in the third film.
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The oldest written parts of the Bible found were transcribed in three languages. What scholars call the Hebrew Bible (the same books Jews call the Tanakh or Written Torah and Christians call the Old Testament) was first written in Hebrew with a few chapters of the books of Ezra and Daniel recorded in Aramaic. Hebrew had long been the language of the Jewish people, so their scriptures were passed down in Hebrew. Some of the books of the Hebrew Bible may have been written as far back as 1,400 B.C.E., although most of the text was probably written between 900 and 400 B.C.E.

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The Christian New Testament was written in the first century C.E. in the common Greek of the Mediterranean area and parts of the Middle East at the time. This form of Greek is called Koine Greek. It developed from classical Greek spread by the conquests of Alexander the Great. As different people began to use the tongue, it evolved and changed into Koine Greek between 300 B.C.E. and 300 C.E. This form may have been the second language of Jesus and his apostles -- after all, the gospels note that Jesus spoke with Pontius Pilate, who would have been more likely to understand Greek than Aramaic. The New Testament was probably written in Greek because it was the most common language around the Mediterranean at the time.

After the Roman Empire itself was Christianized and Latin become the common language, the entire Bible was translated into Latin. The first Latin version is called the Vulgate. In the mid-15th century, when Johannes Gutenberg invented movable type, the Latin Vulgate edition of the Christian Bible was the first work he printed.
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Latin was probably the fourth language to be used for the Bible.
 
jazzy said:
Define fear in your own words.

I fear Lord only if I do not ask Jesus Christ to be my savior and having Him to cleanse my sins. Then I shall not fear Lord no more.
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Fear of not pleasing God.
 
He did not demands a person to belive in Jesus.
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In order to enter heaven and to avoid hell, yes. It's NOT grace, not even close.

I believe Reba will die and not go anywhere after death. It's the end of her existence. It's the ultimate rest. Death is like deep sleep - you remember nothing... or being knocked out during surgery... remembering nothing... there is no fear, no love, no feeling, no emotion, no terror, nothing. Your existence vanishes.

She, on the other hand, believes I am going to hell because I don't believe in Jesus. She believes that I will spend eternity in hell in terror, pain, crying in pain wishing that I accepted Jesus sooner. She'll be happy singing praises to the Lord, not caring a bit about the devil's suffering.

So, gentlemen and ladies, who has more spiritual grace toward the humankind? Me telling you that you will have the "eternal rest" after you die regardless of your belief or Reba telling you that you will die and go to hell or heaven based on your belief?
 
Yiffzer said:
Or if you'd use your brain a little bit more...

God granted Jesus the ability to heal the disabled. That does not make Jesus himself God. God raised Jesus from the dead. That does not make Jesus himself God. So often do people mistakenly perceive him to be God when he isn't!

If there is so many "proof" of Jesus being God in the Bible, then I reckon you're reading an altered Bible - written by man, the fallible creatures. Put the Bible against the Torah and Qur'an and you'll see how wrong the Bible is. For example, the Torah says this:

"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help." -Psalms 146:3 (James King Version)
Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save." -Psalms 146:3 (New International Version)

But guess what? Jesus Christ was referred to as son of man many times in the Bible. Does that mean you can't put your trust in him? Does that mean he's mortal? Does that mean he can't save you? Gasp!

"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to Jesus by His biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same Being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore to Him the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of His disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." -Thomas Jefferson; April, 13, 1820.

The very least you can do is honor God first and Jesus second. For example, Muslims say, "There is no god but Allah and Prophet Muhammad is His messenger." Christians can say, "Praise God and His messenger, Jesus Christ." ;)
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Jesus, God and the holy spirit are 1 they are not seperate. It's called the trinity dear. Jesus didn't need God to help him do anything. He was at one time a human without sin, a perfect person. Knowing this how could one say what you you wrote?
I think you took it the wrong way.
 
The books you listed here and the terms you used for god is wrong, my heavenly father has but two names God and Jesus point blank. Not torah or a messenger for instance lol!
My bible says nothing of the sort, it's the bible you read that is false.
When jesus decended into heaven he joined his father (God) and the holy spirit as one entity.
 
Yiffzer said:
Or if you'd use your brain a little bit more...

God granted Jesus the ability to heal the disabled. That does not make Jesus himself God. God raised Jesus from the dead. That does not make Jesus himself God. So often do people mistakenly perceive him to be God when he isn't!

If there is so many "proof" of Jesus being God in the Bible, then I reckon you're reading an altered Bible - written by man, the fallible creatures. Put the Bible against the Torah and Qur'an and you'll see how wrong the Bible is. For example, the Torah says this:

"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help." -Psalms 146:3 (James King Version)
Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save." -Psalms 146:3 (New International Version)

But guess what? Jesus Christ was referred to as son of man many times in the Bible. Does that mean you can't put your trust in him? Does that mean he's mortal? Does that mean he can't save you? Gasp!

"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to Jesus by His biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same Being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore to Him the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of His disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." -Thomas Jefferson; April, 13, 1820.

The very least you can do is honor God first and Jesus second. For example, Muslims say, "There is no god but Allah and Prophet Muhammad is His messenger." Christians can say, "Praise God and His messenger, Jesus Christ." ;)
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FYI, I am usin' KJV Bible and my bible is NOT altered. Ok ? And, now I want you to tell me if, you can understand what the scriptures are sayin' here :

John 1:1-5
" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not. "

And, there's another one. I want you to tell me if, you understand this one, too. If, so - tell me what it means to tell you ?

Titus 3:4-7
" But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and his love toward man, appeared, not by works [done] in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which he poured out upon us richly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. "
 
I think you took it the wrong way.
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If you think I took it the wrong way, please prove it. You have told me nothing but rehashed beliefs that have no certain truth to it. Your Bible is full of contradictions, sadly. It is surprising that you could magically connect them all together.

CARM said:
The Bible contains many different styles of writing such as poetry, narration, fiction, history, law, and prophecy and must be interpreted in context of those styles. It is the source of the Christian religion in that the Bible contains the words of God and how the Christian is to apply the words of God to his life.
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The Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry says the Bible has fiction as well. If such a book has fiction, which part is fiction? Even if we knew, why would you believe in it? What God puts fiction in a Holy Book that is meant to be the truth? I don't see the Qur'an having such a thing.

Jesus didn't need God to help him do anything. He was at one time a human without sin, a perfect person. Knowing this how could one say what you you wrote?
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Do you not remember Jesus praying to God? Do you not remember Jesus speaking to God? Do you not remember Jesus asking God for forgiveness, especially to forgive others? If Jesus is indeed God, why would he pray to himself, talk to himself, and forgive himself? Considering a God would know all things, why did he even have a need to speak to himself? That is illogical and contradictory!

"And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. -Mark 10:18"

This verse shows that Jesus is not perfect. If Jesus was perfect, then he would be good, right? Apparently Jesus did not accept this status of "good" so claimed by others.

Deafinoregon said:
Jesus, God and the holy spirit are 1 they are not separate. It's called the trinity dear.
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Where in the Bible has Jesus mentioned the very word of "Trinity"? I mean, the Trinity is the central idea of Christianity, right? I'd expect to see it in the Bible. If you could find such, tell me where.

If not, then tell me this: Why would Jesus did not mention this very important idea? Why would the four Gospels fail to mention them? Why is this?

Considering the Trinity has three separate entities, why would Jesus, when he prayed to God, say "We" and "Us" referring to the Children of Israel when Jesus Christ is supposed to be separate from them in his supposedly "divine" status?

There's an even more contradictory idea here: Why would Jesus Christ tell everyone to pray to God and God only without mentioning that they needed Jesus to go through God in the same line? You see them all over the Bible, separately! They are never together.

This is what makes the Bible quite confusing and contradictory.

"The New Testament had in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written" -Dr. Lobegott Tischendorf.

I await your explanation. I only seek to understand and acknowledge. Be well.
 
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