L.A. riots: Good Samaritan remembers his scary truck-driver rescue

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Jiro said:
never said it was inclusive to one specific race but it is already known that racial injustice is largely between minorities and white people as revealed by Christopher Commission and Independent Analysis conducted by Erwin Chernerinsky.

I will put up 2 posts of both studies.
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Jiro said:
that's why we have laws, department policy, and training for police officers so that they don't succumb to their primal violence otherwise.... they too will have to pay for it as criminals do.

criminals do not think and they make series of poor judgment. that's why they're criminals and they will go to jail for it. police officers should not do same and they should know better than criminals.
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You are 100% correct. No argument from me there.
 
Jiro said:
thanks for this info. I didn't know anything about this at all. I'm researching on what books to get for this subject. It's fascinating to me now.

Before - I thought LA riot was mainly between black people and white people (which was why truck driver got struck by a brick and beat up) and Korean people just happened to get caught up in crossfire. Apparently that's a short hindsight and there must be something deeper. remember - I was only 10 years old at that time so I didn't give it much thought till now.
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I don't know any good book that relating to LA riots. I wasn't in California at the time where LA riots took place. I was in Mexico City, and I was a freshman at the private school. A few Japanese friends of mine from the school who asked me regarding LA riots like "Why do blacks hate Asians?" I couldn't give them the answer at the time. They found out by listening to the Asian news.

Well, It wasn't really between white people and black people because the whole world saw the shocking video of Denny's head smashed in with a brick. The media kept playing that video over and over again, but there are other videos the world forgot about like this same guy smashed Denny's head with a brick kicked a Guatemalan immigrant, Fidal Lopez and then threw a big stereo at him. Another guy tried to tear his ear off. Latin American gangs (Mexican Mafia and MS-13) got contracts out to target that guy. Latin Americans and blacks are still at war. There is another Hong Kong immigrant got pulled out of his car, and got beat up and sprayed with paint.

LA has been going through changes except LAPD cops are still ruthless. My brother doesn't like LAPD. He knows a few friends who had bad experiences with LAPD cops. To be honest with you, I don't like LAPD cops. Becoming a LAPD cop is a lot difficult than you think. There are tests and oral tests to pass. I dated a guy who tried to join LAPD twice, and had a psychology degree. They told him that he wasn't qualified, because he wasn't "tough".
 
Barbaro said:
I don't know any good book that relating to LA riots. I wasn't in California at the time where LA riots took place. I was in Mexico City, and I was a freshman at the private school. A few Japanese friends of mine from the school who asked me regarding LA riots like "Why do blacks hate Asians?" I couldn't give them the answer at the time. They found out by listening to the Asian news.

Well, It wasn't really between white people and black people because the whole world saw the shocking video of Denny's head smashed in with a brick. The media kept playing that video over and over again, but there are other videos the world forgot about like this same guy smashed Denny's head with a brick kicked a Guatemalan immigrant, Fidal Lopez and then threw a big stereo at him. Another guy tried to tear his ear off. Latin American gangs (Mexican Mafia and MS-13) got contracts out to target that guy. Latin Americans and blacks are still at war. There is another Hong Kong immigrant got pulled out of his car, and got beat up and sprayed with paint.

LA has been going through changes except LAPD cops are still ruthless. My brother doesn't like LAPD. He knows a few friends who had bad experiences with LAPD cops. To be honest with you, I don't like LAPD cops. Becoming a LAPD cop is a lot difficult than you think. There are tests and oral tests to pass. I dated a guy who tried to join LAPD twice, and had a psychology degree. They told him that he wasn't qualified, because he wasn't "tough".
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Yes, there were other incidents that did not receive any press coverage. My former brother in law was a tractor trailer driver and was in LA during the riots. He was dragged out of his truck and his attackers attempted to beat him.

Except he carries and shot and killed three of them. He was later sentenced to a mental facility instead of prison for his "crime".
 
Steinhauer said:
Yes, there were other incidents that did not receive any press coverage. My former brother in law was a tractor trailer driver and was in LA during the riots. He was dragged out of his truck and his attackers attempted to beat him.

Except he carries and shot and killed three of them. He was later sentenced to a mental facility instead of prison for his "crime".
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Is he still in a mental facility?
 
For Jiro:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCiC6qTtjs&feature=related]LA Riots - Armed store owners deter rioters - YouTube[/ame]


You might notice the lack of looters near those armed storekeepers (that is how its done).
 
Jiro said:
yea I saw it last nite. One of them wore a flak jacket. He definitely looks like he's a Vietnam War veteran. There was one guy on the roof holding up an over-and-under shotgun. Sweet piece.
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Yep - I noticed their expressions. Some were very calm - others ...seething rage. I saw another video where a Korean store owner was firing into a crowd of looters.

They scattered .....real quick.
 
http://www.parc.info/client_files/Special Reports/1 - Chistopher Commision.pdf
The Rodney King beating stands as a landmark in the recent history of law enforcement, comparable to the Scottsboro case in 1931 and the Serpico case in 1967. Rightly called "sickening" by President Bush, and condemned by all segments of society, the King incident provides an opportunity for evaluation and reform of police procedures. Many saw the incident as particularly tragic because it happened in Los Angeles, whose police officers are among the most efficient and innovative in the nation.

Police violence is not a local problem. Recognizing its national character, police chiefs from 10 major cities convened soon after the King incident and emphasized that "the problem of excessive force in American policing is real." The same theme was stressed by Hubert Williams, President of the Police Foundation and former Chief of Police for Newark, New Jersey: "Police use of excessive force is a significant problem in this country, particularly in our inner cities." With the Knapp Commission on police corruption as a precedent, the most fundamental challenge for the Independent Commission is to recommend reforms that will help insure that such an incident is not repeated in Los Angeles or elsewhere in the nation.

Our Commission owes its existence to the George Holliday videotape of the Rodney King incident. Whether there even would have been a Los Angeles Police Department investigation without the video is doubtful, since the efforts of King's brother, Paul, to file a complaint were frustrated, and the report of the involved officers was falsified. Even if there had been an investigation, our case-by-case review of the handling of over 700 complaints indicates that without the Holliday videotape the complaint might have been adjudged to be "not sustained," because the officers' version conflicted with the account by King and his two passengers, who typically would have been viewed as not "independent."

In the wake of the King incident and the public outcry, the Independent Commission was created by Mayor Tom Bradley on April 1, 1991, and soon merged with the Commission created by Los Angeles Chief of Police Daryl Gates. (See Appendix I for foundational documents.) Our efforts were endorsed by City Council President John Ferraro, District Attorney Ira Reiner, City Attorney James Hahn, and many other public officials.

Our Report concentrates on excessive force under color of law. We have sought to examine any aspect of the law enforcement structure in Los Angeles that might cause or contribute to the problem of excessive force, and this has led us to consider almost every aspect of the LAPD. We have tried, however, to avoid being drawn into issues that are only peripheral to our central inquiry.
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The Commission found that there is a significant number of officers in the LAPD who repetitively use excessive force against the public and persistently ignore the written guidelines of the Department regarding force. This finding is documented and confirmed, from several perspectives, by the detailed analyses of documents and statistics performed by the Commission. Our computerized study of the complaints filed in recent years shows a strong concentration of allegations against a problem group of officers. A comparable study of the use of force reports reveals a similar concentration. Graphic confirmation of improper attitudes and practices is provided by the brazen and extensive references to beatings and other excessive uses of force in the MOTs. The Commission also found that the problem of excessive force is aggravated by racism and bias, again strikingly revealed in the MOTs.
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The King beating raised fundamental questions about the LAPD, including:the apparent failure to control or discipline
officers with repeated complaints of excessive force:
• concerns about the LAPD's "culture" and officers' attitudes toward racial and other minorities
• the difficulties the public encounters in attempting to make complaints against LAPD officers
• the role of the LAPD leadership and civilian oversight authorities in addressing or contributing to these problems
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The problem of excessive force is aggravated by racism and bias within the LAPD. That nexus is sharply illustrated by the results of a survey recently taken by the LAPD of the attitudes of its sworn officers. The survey of 960 officers found that approximately one-quarter (24.5%) of 650 officers responding agreed that "racial bias (prejudice) on the part of officers toward minority citizens currently exists and contributes to a negative interaction between police and community." More than one-quarter (27.6%) agreed that "an officer's prejudice towards the suspect's race may lead to the use of excessive force."

The Commission's review of MDT transmissions revealed an appreciable number of disturbing and recurrent racial remarks. Some of the remarks describe minorities through animal analogies ("sounds like monkey slapping time"). Often made in the context of discussing pursuits or beating suspects, the offensive remarks cover the spectrum of racial and ethnic minorities in the City ("I would love to drive down Slauson with a flame thrower ... we would have a barbecue"; "I almost got me a Mexican last night but he dropped the dam gun to quick, lots of wit"). The officers typing the MDT messages apparently had little concern that they would be disciplined for making such remarks. Supervisors failed to monitor the messages or to impose discipline for improper remarks and were themselves frequently the source of offensive comments when in the field.

These attitudes of prejudice and intolerance are translated into unacceptable behavior in the field. Testimony from a variety of witnesses depict the LAPD as an organization with practices and procedures that are conducive to discriminatory treatment and officer misconduct directed to members of minority groups. Witnesses repeatedly told of LAPD officers verbally harassing minorities, detaining African-American and Latino men who fit certain generalized descriptions of suspects, employing unnecessarily invasive or humiliating tactics in minority neighborhoods and using excessive force. While the Commission does not purport to adjudicate the validity of any one of these numerous complaints, the intensity and frequency of them reveal a serious problem.
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^ Interesting, that report comes from the PARC, Police Assessment Resource Center. It's a well known source.
 
naisho said:
^ Interesting, that report comes from the PARC, Police Assessment Resource Center. It's a well known source.
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Interesting to you but sad to me. Sad because members on AD can not question this source because the source is "out there somewhere", not on AD. Some of us members on AD post a quote and/our comment of our own then others are free to post theirs about that post and receive feedback. I have long notice that a few members will seek out links that support their side of the coin and ignore those on the other side of the coin. Where this happens, AD does not benefit because turning AD into a battle of sources is a waste of text.
 
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rolling7 said:
Interesting to you but sad to me. Sad because members on AD can not question this source because the source is "out there somewhere", not on AD. Some of us members on AD post a quote and/our comment of our own then others are free to post theirs about that post and receive feedback. I have long notice that a few members will seek out links that support their side of the coin and ignore those on the other side of the coin. Where this happens, AD does not benefit because turning AD into a battle of sources is a waste of text.
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Since when did participating in ad hominem make a point any stronger?
Are you debating with the debate or are you debating with what you don't like about a person?

I do hold sources that come from higher ground with better regards. Suppose if a reader sees two conflicts of opinion, one from the opinion of a blogger, another from a police press release that gave a statement of how the Rodney King beating went, which one is going to be held in higher regards?

There is nothing wrong with any links, they are all fair game, but some are going to make a point better than others.
 
Ever write, our try to contact in any way possible, these MMs? They would give you the time of the day and they sure don't give a sh*t if you disagree with them. It is their way or the highway.
And that is freedom of speak and of the press; however, the public has no voice at all. So MM,de facto, does not report the news, they make the news. Consequential, as we have seen many times on AD, members who post a link will see another member post an opposite link and it becomes a battle of sources. I would rather have the members post their own words subject to comments by other members.
 
I am curious, what is being blamed for the excessive force being used by law enforcement in China? UAE? Iran? Pakistan? Et al.?
 
Steinhauer said:
I am curious, what is being blamed for the excessive force being used by law enforcement in China? UAE? Iran? Pakistan? Et al.?
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China and Iran = no freedom and cruel authoritarian government...
 
Foxrac said:
China and Iran = no freedom and cruel authoritarian government...
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In other words, excessive force is a problem around the globe? Usually by those abusing their positions of authority? Even in Nations where there are no racial barriers?

Is it possible that the problem isn't exactly racism? I mean, yeah, I am sure there are incidents where racism plays a factor - but don't you think the problem is a bit deeper and racism is just a straw man argument?

I would like to see research comparing reports of excessive force in high crime areas as opposed to areas with minimal crime.
 
Steinhauer said:
I am curious, what is being blamed for the excessive force being used by law enforcement in China? UAE? Iran? Pakistan? Et al.?
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you call that excessive force? :lol:

it's more like human rights abuse.
 
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