Do we have a challenge ahead of us to avoid becoming Hearing?

If ASL has multiple meaning to"concepts/things et al" what is the MULTIPLE meaning to a cochlear Implant? Harlan Lane"s "assumption" A Cochlear Implant is a instrument of genocide to the deaf community. Duly noted in the book the Journey into the DEAF WORLD.Lane, et al. I am also aware that the "official" position of the "US DEAF ASSOCIATION" ( not sure the exact title) HAS CHANGED. All of this noted in Michael Chorost's book Rebuilt

Being bilateral deaf-I obviously disagree with this "strange categorization".

IS LANE'S drivel STILL ASCRIBED TO BY DEAF MILITANTS?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
If ASL has multiple meaning to"concepts/things et al" what is the MULTIPLE meaning to a cochlear Implant? Harlan Lane"s "assumption" A Cochlear Implant is a instrument of genocide to the deaf community. Duly noted in the book the Journey into the DEAF WORLD.Lane, et al. I am also aware that the "official" position of the "US DEAF ASSOCIATION" ( not sure the exact title) HAS CHANGED. All of this noted in Michael Chorost's book Rebuilt

Being bilateral deaf-I obviously disagree with this "strange categorization".

IS LANE'S drivel STILL ASCRIBED TO BY DEAF MILITANTS?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
Ditto. I never understand those questions either. Gobbledy-gook.
 
DrPhil is disagreeing with Lane's position that CI's are, supposedly, "an instrument of genocide to the deaf community," per the book, "Journey Into the Deaf World," by Lane and others. He mentions that Michael Chorost's book "Rebuilt" also discussed the issue.

DrPhil thinks Lane's position is drivel, and wonders if Deaf Militants still believe this. He (drphil) acknowledges that the position of the "US Deaf Association" (a group whose name he is not completely sure of) has changed regarding this "cultural genocide" assumption.

As a bilateral deaf person himself, who uses CIs, he strongly disagrees with that assertion and calls it a "strange categorization."

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What's so difficult about that? Better punctuation would be a help, but I've seen worse writing here.
 
It was difficult to me and apparently to others.

drphil seems confused by what Lane was saying and I happen to have a copy of Journey into the Deaf World right here on my lap. So, I looked it up and here's the premise of their opposition:

drphil are you late-deafened or you've been deaf since birth?

Journey into the Deaf World, page 389 it says this: "Organization of Deaf people around the world have vigorously protested the practice of childhood cochlear implant surgery"....then it explains how deaf around the world were prevented from attending seminars on cochlear implants in countries like France, Canada, etc....then it says on page 391 "It criticized Food and Drug Administration for failing to involve Deaf people in decisions concerning Deaf children and the implant. And it questioned whether it is ethical to use surgery in an attempt to move a child out of a linguistic and cultural minority and into the majority culture."

Okay, there's a LOT here but basically it's not CIs themselves that's the threat, it's the hearing world refusing to include the Deaf in their decisions regarding Deaf children, refusing to allow them to have their say and input. And they are demanding that the hearing world do more research, including long term before they decide whether it's beneficial to Deaf children to have CIs. (Mind you, Journey into the Deaf World was published in 1996)

And the Deaf community also said on page 392 - "[We] reject cochlear implantation of Deaf children when this procedure leads to separating implanted children from other Deaf children and is associated with an exclusively oral education."

There's nothing militant about this at all!

Deaf have no problems with late deafened adults who would not have benefited from lipreading and hearing aids. What they do have a problem with is being deliberately excluded from decisions regarding other Deaf people. That's where the real danger lies and this is still a problem to this day.

Again, CIs are no threats - it's the attitude of the hearing world who thinks CIs takes care of everything and keeps implanted Deaf children apart from other Deaf children and Deaf community for an exclusively oral education.
 
One cannot ignore the biological fact about a very young child's brain in its rapid development from 0 to 4 years when it comes to acquiring environmental inputs including auditory. Waiting until the child is 10, 12, 15 years old or whatever on getting her/his inputs first will not yield the same results as a child who were exposed very early to auditory inputs. This is like night and day here.
 
Oh, so apparently because I didn't have a CI, I don't have the same results as a child who does? Even though I have perfect English, and speak perfect? Okay. Whatever you say. (And, there's MANY of us -- probably more than not -- on this forum that will attest to the same for themselves.)
 
AlleyCat said:
Oh, so apparently because I didn't have a CI, I don't have the same results as a child who does? Even though I have perfect English, and speak perfect? Okay. Whatever you say. (And, there's MANY of us -- probably more than not -- on this forum that will attest to the same for themselves.)
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*waving hand here*


Many of my friends as well.
 
AlleyCat said:
Oh, so apparently because I didn't have a CI, I don't have the same results as a child who does? Even though I have perfect English, and speak perfect? Okay. Whatever you say. (And, there's MANY of us -- probably more than not -- on this forum that will attest to the same for themselves.)
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You're omitting the fact about the primary purpose of a CI and that is to allow the user to acquire sound and utilize that opportunity for oral AND aural developments. CI is implemented when hearing aids cannot do the job. Do you wear a hearing aid?
 
DeafCaroline said:
Does Kokonut have a CI? i would ask him but he never answers questions.
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This is the first time I'm seeing this question unless I missed it elsewhere. I wear a hearing aid in my right ear only. Left ear is no good.
 
drphil said:
If ASL has multiple meaning to"concepts/things et al" what is the MULTIPLE meaning to a cochlear Implant? Harlan Lane"s "assumption" A Cochlear Implant is a instrument of genocide to the deaf community. Duly noted in the book the Journey into the DEAF WORLD.Lane, et al. I am also aware that the "official" position of the "US DEAF ASSOCIATION" ( not sure the exact title) HAS CHANGED. All of this noted in Michael Chorost's book Rebuilt

Being bilateral deaf-I obviously disagree with this "strange categorization".

IS LANE'S drivel STILL ASCRIBED TO BY DEAF MILITANTS?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
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I have not yet read Harlan Lane's book. So I am going to go straight off what you have posted here.

First off Bottesini said it perfectly clear -- Cochlear Implants in and of themselves have no meaning -- They are just pieces of technology.

As I said in my last post in this thread. People ascribe meanings to things including Cochlear Implants.

One of the reasons people ascribe meanings to things is because they have goals. How well something fulfills or obstructs those goals largely determines the meanings ascribed to the thing. In this case the thing is a piece of technology.

As mentioned in that prior post a car means a mode of transportation to and from work to a working person trying to support a family. To a teenager it means freedom of movement. To a military person it means the ability to move, and to supply, troops.

The audist community sees the Cochlear Implant as bringing them one step closer to their goal of "curing" deafness and thereby making deaf people "whole" and "normal". They have no respect for, nor concern for, the Deaf Community, the signing community, neither do they place any value on the benefits the Deaf Community has to offer the hearing community. They see no value in signed languages. If the audists had their way every deaf person would be forced to wear a Cochlear Implant and signing would not be allowed. They want D/deaf people to become hearing people. To an audist the Cochlear Implant means they will be able to save Deaf people from a second class life.

If you see nothing wrong with the above paragraph then you are an audist.

One thing the audist will never admit to is that the only thing that relegates D/deaf people to second class status is the audist insistence on focusing on the person's inability to hear rather than focusing on the skills, abilities, and achievements, of the Deaf person.

The Deaf Community, and those who understand, value, and support the Deaf Community, believe that it has much of value to offer to the world and society as a whole. They believe the social values exemplified by the Deaf Community are important and should not be lost. They believe that signed languages are beautiful and should never be extinguished.

They realize that when D/deaf people become hearing people everything they value and love about the Deaf Communities and the signed languages used by them will disappear forever. Valuable, important ways of life will be gone forever. Every thing they stood for, every thing they believed in -- Including equality and respect for differences -- Will be gone. Forever.

Looked at from this viewpoint the simple fact is yes! The Cochlear Implant is an instrument of genocide to the Deaf Community.

If you can understand the validity of this viewpoint then we can have a meaningful conversation.

If you cannot it then further discussion is pointless.
 
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