Implants changing life for Modesto girl born deaf

deafdyke said:
Just b/c you had a negative experiance with a limited funded bi-bi Deaf School, it does NOT mean that ALL bi-bi Deaf Schools have poor speech therapy services. Most established and sizable Deaf Schools have experianced speech therapists....including ones who are somewhat experianced in teaching listening skills to CI kids.
Were you aware that there are actally some ORAL classes at some Deaf Schools?
The ONLY reason why they couldn't take advantage of the stuff at California School for the Deaf is b/c it's not a 24/7 oral eternal speech therapy session.
In other words, it's not "name brand" ...........
The difference is simple.......Why the HELL should we as taxpayers have to pay for someone who only wants a name brand education for their kid? It's like having to pay for a kid to go to a high school where the grads go to Harvard or Princeton or another Name Brand School, when their neighborhood school is perfectly fine.
California taxpayers ALREADY have California School for the deaf as a resource. The only reason why the mom wants the private school placement is b/c she wants therapy 24/7. Public money should NOT go to private enterprise!
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Then the state needs to provide an oral option for deaf kids. They don't and an ASL enviroment is NOT appropriate for this child.
 
faire_jour said:
Then the state needs to provide an oral option for deaf kids. They don't and an ASL enviroment is NOT appropriate for this child.
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What if the child themselves do really benefit from an ASL environment despite what the parents believe? Again, it is all about this question..do hearing parents really understand what it is like to be a deaf child growing up?
 
shel90 said:
What if the child themselves do really benefit from an ASL environment despite what the parents believe? Again, it is all about this question..do hearing parents really understand what it is like to be a deaf child growing up?
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There are benefits and negatives to all communication choices. Parents must decide what is best for their child. Once they do, the schooling and education follow that plan.
 
faire_jour said:
It depends on the goals for the child. It very well could be a VERY restrictive enviroment instead of "least restrictive". If the family wants a spoken language outcome and they don't want ASL in the child's educational enviroment, then it could be a good placement fit. If instead they want ASL everyday in class, then no, it's not a good placement.
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For whose benefit? The child's or the parents'? Remember, the parents already got the education, language, and communication growing up as children themselves..the deaf child hasn't, so whose goals? The parents' from a hearing perspective or the child'?
 
shel90 said:
For whose benefit? The child's or the parents'? Remember, the parents already got the education, language, and communication growing..the deaf child hasn't so whose goals? The parents' from a hearing perspective or the child'?
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The child's IEP goals.
 
faire_jour said:
The child's IEP goals.
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I had an IEP...didnt benefit me at all because the goals were set from a hearing point of view.

Many deaf children's IEP goals are still written from a hearing point of view rather than a deaf point of view.
 
Then the state needs to provide an oral option for deaf kids. They don't and an ASL enviroment is NOT appropriate for this child.
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They DO......they offer speech and language therapy through the Deaf School. Most Dhh kids get a VERY healthy dose of speech therapy even at schools for the Deaf! Despite what you may think not all Deaf Schools/Dhh programs are ASL voice off seperatist educational insitions.
Matter of fact, only a very small percentage of dhh kids are ASL only!
 
That's true. Most do know how to speak. They just are more interested in clear communication in sign language.
 
A said:
That's true. Most do know how to speak. They just are more interested in clear communication in sign language.
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Especially when it comes to the educational setting where learning takes place during their younger years. As they get older, if they want to be in an oral-only program, their right to decide but at least they were spared with language delays or deficits due to having ASL earlier.

I hate that view..."if the child doesnt pick up on spoken language, they can always resort to ASL later on." It doesnt work with filling in the deficits and delays like most people believe.
 
I also hate the attitude of "Don't do that, you are spoiling them." when it come to easy access. They really think we should suffer when it is easy for them. I am not talking about writing or schooling or behavior. I'm talking about ASL.
 
deafdyke said:
They DO......they offer speech and language therapy through the Deaf School. Most Dhh kids get a VERY healthy dose of speech therapy even at schools for the Deaf! Despite what you may think not all Deaf Schools/Dhh programs are ASL voice off seperatist educational insitions.
Matter of fact, only a very small percentage of dhh kids are ASL only!
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No, they have a voice off ASL enviroment. How is that appropriate for a child who is oral?
 
faire_jour said:
No, they have a voice off ASL enviroment. How is that appropriate for a child who is oral?
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How is it appropriate for a deaf child to miss out on what is being taught, said and etc in the educational setting?
 
shel90 said:
How is it appropriate for a deaf child to miss out on what is being taught, said and etc in the educational setting?
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These parents believe that having access to language of the majority is the most importatnt thing. They have that right. (Plus, we are talking about a child in preschool)
 
faire_jour said:
These parents believe that having access to language of the majority is the most importatnt thing. They have that right. (Plus, we are talking about a child in preschool)
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I agree with them but the problem is that deaf children cant hear like hearing children and dont have the same access to spoken language like they do.
 
shel90 said:
I agree with them but the problem is that deaf children cant hear like hearing children and dont have the same access to spoken language like they do.
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I agree that they do not hear like hearing children but many children (including my daughter) have the ability to hear and discriminate all the sounds in spoken English. They can hear and understand running speech.
 
Faire_jour, what the heck is running speech? No, they can not pick up the spoken language. Of course they can hear the environment sounds, but not to listen to the words. The whole thing you have been talking about is trying to "fix" your daughter and other CI children to listen and understand speech. You are way out of your league. :roll: You, hearing people, just don't understand nothing about deafness. Gawd!! :roll:
 
Bebonang said:
Faire_jour, what the heck is running speech? No, they can not pick up the spoken language. Of course they can hear the environment sounds, but not to listen to the words. The whole thing you have been talking about is trying to "fix" your daughter and other CI children to listen and understand speech. You are way out of your league. :roll: You, hearing people, just don't understand nothing about deafness. Gawd!! :roll:
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My husband brought up a very very good question about this "fixing" thing and I am debating with myself whether to start a thread on it or not.


Should I dare? He really did have a good point.

Any thoughts?
 
Shel, talk to Alex and see if it is okay to open a new thread about "fixing" for the deaf children with CI or stem cell or whatever the hearing people want to "fix". I would love to hear his good point about that and yes, as long as we don't have a hot debate. If Alex is okay with it, and you can go ahead with the new thread. :)
 
Bebonang said:
Faire_jour, what the heck is running speech? No, they can not pick up the spoken language. Of course they can hear the environment sounds, but not to listen to the words. The whole thing you have been talking about is trying to "fix" your daughter and other CI children to listen and understand speech. You are way out of your league. :roll: You, hearing people, just don't understand nothing about deafness. Gawd!! :roll:
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You are so very very wrong!

Ask Lissa if she can understand speech, or Kailie or Coolgirlspyer90. They all had hearing loss from a very young age and use CI's to understand spoken language. In the booth, with no lipreading, my daughter can understand 96% of words given to her on her speech testing. (That doesn't mean she can understand everything in all places but) She does understand when people talk to her, all day everyday.

You are wrong.
 
faire_jour said:
You are so very very wrong!

Ask Lissa if she can understand speech, or Kailie or Coolgirlspyer90. They all had hearing loss from a very young age and use CI's to understand spoken language. In the booth, with no lipreading, my daughter can understand 96% of words given to her on her speech testing. (That doesn't mean she can understand everything in all places but) She does understand when people talk to her, all day everyday.

You are wrong.
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:hmm: I wonder if you are just imagining. If they are hard of hearing especially with mild hearing loss, then they can pick up words better. But the thing is that there are different degrees of hearing loss. No sound is not the same but in the hearing reality you expect the sounds to be the same as any hearing people hear. It is not true and you are wrong. That does not make me right but I know what sounds is like with my hearing aids but I know that CI is better than the hearing aid with environment sounds. CI children still get lost in trying to pick up words.
 
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