airportcop

Reba,

I never abdicated the violent overthrow of the government. Those were yours & Foxrac's words not mine. Maybe I'm splitting hairs? But when it comes to overthrowing the government it may take some violence. Our forefathers certainly wouldn't approve of what's going on in America! I'm afraid that is what is coming for the future of our country since things like Martin & Zimmerman and the president going against the constitution, failing to uphold laws and doing whatever makes him happy whether right or wrong. If Obama is not voted out we are headed for disaster in a hand basket. Sad state of affairs for the USA. I don't hold on to much hope except from above.

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Foxrac

The Declaration of Independence means we broke away from Great Britain and no longer to be governed by monarchy. We have own country with own constitution. It has nothing with overthrow of government today but only back in 1776.

I disagree with you about case with Obama and if he wins the election for 2nd term so he is elected president that voted by people via electoral college. I don't see any constitution that Obama ignored. It is just GWB won the 2nd term in 2004 and some people thought that he ignored the constitution due to war, also his approval rating is same as Obama today.

Any constitution can be changed over time but require 2/3 from the congress and 3/4 from the state, whatever supermajority of Americans agree about need change or not. However, change the constitution is extremely difficult.

Why are you brought about Trayvon Martin case to this thread? Our constitution doesn't state about stand your ground law and Zimmerman is remain innocent until prosecutor have a enough evidence to arrest him, otherwise the court will turn him away if evidence doesn't meet to exempt from stand your ground law. I'm pro-gun rights, especially support Castle Doctrine but doesn't support stand your ground law for some reasons, even I don't support NRA due to political reason. This thread is supposed to discuss about health care law - ACA, not Trayvon Martin case.

Honest with you, I think you may need see a psychologist if you are in fear about what happen with our country and seriously, nothing is wrong with our country. The budget and debt problems are going to be resolved in over time so we need have bipartisan law to resolve due to deadlocked in the congress.

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Jiro

I've never claimed to be an independent. I'm a registered Democrat. If you're gonna be a true independent, then act like one. For past several months, all you have done is bashed Democrats with extreme prejudice and lightly scolded GOP.

Now that I'm letting you go for not answering my question... I think we can accept the truth and move on.

I'm sorry but I don't follow. And I don't care because you are notorious for not knowing how to cite laws/rules properly so it's best if we move on.

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Foxrac

Interesting, I'm unregistered party and usually side with Democrat on most issues.

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airportcop

Really?? Are you serious??

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Reba

Do you mean "advocated?"

That's what to overthrow a government means.

We have legal constitutional ways, such as thru elections and legislation, to change the direction of the government. It's up to the voters to choose the right people. If we elect the wrong people into office, we will get what we asked for. If the majority of the voters select representatives and leaders who reflect their own wrong desires, then that's what we get. Those same voters aren't going to support an overthrow of people that carry out their agenda.

We're pretty much getting what the majority wants. The only way to change that is to change their hearts.

Even Jesus had to teach his disciples that he didn't come to use force to overthrow the tyrannical Roman government. He came to change hearts. It was up to the people with changed hearts to change their society, not with force but with persuasion thru a whole new outlook on life.

Foxrac

Yup, I'm serious.

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TXgolfer

Ah yes, Denial.......That cures everything. Lol

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Jiro

that won't be me. I'm considered as a Black Sheep Democrat

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airportcop

Yes Reba, once again you are correct! Darn it! I did mean advocate. I should have looked it up as I hate to be wrong! I also agree that violence won't work and that it is better off left to things like speaking out, standing up for what's right and prayer. Lots of it! Like when Jesus healed the soldiers ear that had been cut off. Thanks sister for setting me straight.

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Foxrac

Both of you and airportcop worried too much about our country.

Toobad, your tactic won't change my vote, thorough.

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Foxrac

You don't have to side with democrat on all issues if you are registered Democrat and I know some people with registered Democrat voted for different party than Democratic Party.

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airportcop

Maybe if more people were concerned about the condition of our country then maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess!

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Foxrac

I'm concerned so more than just spending and economy only.

The spending isn't into right track since GWB Admin.

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TXgolfer

Exactly!

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rolling7

There is apathy everywhere you look and we do not have the leaders whom would turn the population around.

Foxrac

Looming court ruling worries some with health woes | Reuters

It wasn't pretty for Texas man without insurance.

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TXgolfer

Wonder why he didn't have insurance BEFORE he was in bad health???? sounds like he made a choice and it backfired. Consequences suck. *shrug*

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Foxrac

His workplace DOESN'T offer insurance and he couldn't afford to get full insurance outside of workplace.

From article.

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TXgolfer

Perhaps he should have changed jobs or picked up a part time job. Or perhaps seek a charity for assistance paying his health insurance. Sounds like he wasn't proactive. So sad.

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Foxrac

1) It is very difficult to find a job with benefit.

2) Look for charity to help isn't always possible or guaranteed.

He could be very proactive but failed to get assistance so our healthcare system is flawed.

It is obviously that you think it is easy to find way to help but it is not at all so I'm seriously.

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TXgolfer

Charities are all over the place in Texas. Texans are a very generous people. We don't know all the facts but it sounds like this guy was irresponsible and waited til it was too late.

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Foxrac

There are around thousands or millions of people asked charities for help so not all of them got it so like I said... it is not always to be guarantee.

In bold, I disagree, I say his situation is very unfortunate and there are not much access for him to get help, except for federal program. I'm glad that his life is saved by federal program.

Don't make expectation on people and you never know about their situation. Some of their situation are much complicated.

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TXgolfer

Not really. He could have always gotten a second job too.... Life is about priorities....this man made his choices.

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Foxrac

with benefit? I don't think because it will be lengthy time for current economy.

Getting 2 full time minimum wage jobs without benefits are not going help to cover the full health insurance.

Important - I'm not going to make judge based on his life and it wasn't good for man if we make judge that he is correct or wrong. I believe that he should access to healthcare and ability to get full treatment in no time, regardless on financial status.

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TXgolfer

If he is expecting me to pay for it I will absolutely judge the man.

Did the article say his job was minimum wage? One full time job should more than pay for his premium.

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rockin'robin

Pretty much agree with Tex....even my son works for minimum wage and has health insurance. Many companies that pay minimum wage give free health coverage after working there 6 months or more....

Foxrac

It is still very disrespect for you to make judge based on his life and you don't pay his treatment in full, only from taxpayers pay in huge pool to cover treatment for him. I don't mind to pay my taxes for his treatment because save his life is more important than financial status.

It is clearly that you are too selfish and doesn't care about people so I'm glad that our government doesn't share same views as you. You make too much expectation and think that life is too easy.

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TXgolfer

Meh, well it was disrespectful of this man to not take care of his affairs and burden us with them.

As for the second part you are really crossing a line there and getting personal. Not to mention the fact that you are completely off base.

And finally no I don't think life is easy.... That's why I have a problem with people who try to take the easy road on my dime. I worked my ass off for what I have. Others should do the same.

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