JFK and Mimi Alford - Page 4

DeafCaroline · 02-11-2012, 04:38 PM

What do you mean by pretty much? Care to provide a quote where Mimi actually alleges he raped her?

Just so you know, I saw her in a TV interview, what she had to say and what you are alleging are two completely different things.

kokonut · 02-11-2012, 04:40 PM

I just gave a quote on what she said. She wanted to leave...but couldn't. Meaning she didn't want to have sex in the first place. She was in a situation similar to date rape. All this is just a borderline scenario.

whatdidyousay! · 02-11-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Grayma

No, I've read it in other sources as well. Fox didn't produce it, it's just an excerpt from the book written by the 19 year old intern he seduced and had an onging affair with. It's not new, his affairs have long been known. What is new is that this was one of his particular conquests.

He also took drugs, according to this book, but this, too, has been published before.

The press carefully protected his reputation at the time.

JFK has injury his back in the war and was on a lot of pain med and he had other health issues as a child. He was in pain most of the time.

JFK Took Many Drugs for Secret Health Problems - ABC News

AlleyCat · 02-11-2012, 08:19 PM

The man is dead. How is he going to defend himself against allegedly that nothing would "thwart his intentions".

How lame. Attacking dead people is close to as low as some can get. (Apparently not for a select few, however.)

**TXgolfer** · 02-11-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yes, we're all sinners. But then there's forgiveness. Did Jackie ever forgive him? Did JFK ever felt remorseful on what he had done? Nobody will ever know.

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

And neither will you.

How nice.

whatdidyousay! · 02-11-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

The man is dead. How is he going to defend himself against allegedly that nothing would "thwart his intentions".

How lame. Attacking dead people is close to as low as some can get. (Apparently not for a select few, however.)

I feel the same way , I mean what was the point in writing this book so many years later. I wish Mimi had thought about JFK grandchildren before coming out with this book. Let the guy RIP

**TXgolfer** · 02-11-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

So glad I'm above the mudslinging over a president dead some 50 years. The past is the past. At least *I* can move on, thank my lucky stars (including my non-need to rack up post points.)

The past is prelude

whatdidyousay! · 02-11-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I just gave a quote on what she said. She wanted to leave...but couldn't. Meaning she didn't want to have sex in the first place. She was in a situation similar to date rape. All this is just a borderline scenario.

And Mimi when back to the pool a second time on her own free will to be with JFK. JFK was wrong in having sex with her , but the guy is dead and why did she have to hurt his famliy by coming out with his book?

kokonut · 02-11-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

And Mimi when back to the pool a second time on her own free will to be with JFK. JFK was wrong in having sex with her , but the guy is dead and why did she have to hurt his famliy by coming out with his book?

Well, at the pool, JFK pretty much pressured her into giving oral sex to Dave Powers at the pool. She was pretty much disgusted by it afterwards. Hurt? Remember, JFK took advantage of Mimi. She realized that a long time ago.

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I don’t think the President thought I’d do it, but I’m ashamed to say that I did. It was a pathetic, sordid scene, and I can hardly bear to think about it. Dave was jolly and obedient as I stood in the shallow end of the pool and performed my duties. The President silently watched.
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Afterwards, I was deeply embarrassed. As I climbed out of the pool, I heard Dave say sternly to his boss: ‘You shouldn’t have made her do that.’

Why write a book? For her own closure, perhaps? And it being relatively safe to tell her side of the story I suppose.

Tousi · 02-11-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

The past is prelude

Did you mean prologue?

**TXgolfer** · 02-12-2012, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Did you mean prologue?

Nah, I like it this way better because Shakes was a fraud.

whatdidyousay! · 02-12-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Well, at the pool, JFK pretty much pressured her into giving oral sex to Dave Powers at the pool. She was pretty much disgusted by it afterwards. Hurt? Remember, JFK took advantage of Mimi. She realized that a long time ago.

Why write a book? For her own closure, perhaps? And it being relatively safe to tell her side of the story I suppose.

Dave Powers is dead so how do we know this really happen? I know it very interesting that Mimi decided to come out with this book after everyone is dead. How convenient for Mimi.

**TWA** · 02-12-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Nah, I like it this way better because Shakes was a fraud.

Oh god, you're not one of those Shakespeare truthers, are you?

kokonut · 02-12-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Dave Powers is dead so how do we know this really happen? I know it very interesting that Mimi decided to come out with this book after everyone is dead. How convenient for Mimi.

Convenient? Possibly so. But then again consider the environment of the time 5,10, 20, 30 or 40 years after it supposedly happened should she published her account in that time period. Consider her own career perhaps her own life had she published her account too early. Maybe it did happen, maybe it didn't. But records show that JFK was a womanizer. So, it may not be far fetched on what she's reporting now.

kokonut · 02-12-2012, 12:52 PM

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**saywhatkid** · 02-12-2012, 08:36 PM

So the real question is; are Democrats politically prone to commit sexual assaults? Is it due to their "logical brains" as was discussed before? Are Republicans less likely to commit these crimes due to their "emotional brains?"

whatdidyousay! · 02-12-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Convenient? Possibly so. But then again consider the environment of the time 5,10, 20, 30 or 40 years after it supposedly happened should she published her account in that time period. Consider her own career perhaps her own life had she published her account too early. Maybe it did happen, maybe it didn't. But records show that JFK was a womanizer. So, it may not be far fetched on what she's reporting now.

Since is a known fact JFK was a womanizer it would be very easy for a woman to 'make up a story' like this for money. There is no alive to defense their self which made it very convenient to spice up the story to sell more books.

kokonut · 02-13-2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Since is a known fact JFK was a womanizer it would be very easy for a woman to 'make up a story' like this for money. There is no alive to defense their self which made it very convenient to spice up the story to sell more books.

Maybe..maybe not. But it certainly does not look good knowing on possibly having a rapist in the White House.

**Banjo** · 02-13-2012, 10:55 AM

Mimi Alfrod did not allege that JFK raped her. Nancy Snyderman did.

**Beowulf** · 02-13-2012, 11:01 AM

Bush raped the whole country.

AlleyCat · 02-13-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

I feel the same way , I mean what was the point in writing this book so many years later. I wish Mimi had thought about JFK grandchildren before coming out with this book. Let the guy RIP

And apparently the OP thought this was good fodder. Worrying about a so-called rapist some 50 years after the so-called act? And all based on what some woman wrote? That nobody can refute now? Man ... I need bigger eyes to roll them with.

**Beowulf** · 02-13-2012, 11:04 AM

Let's roll!!

DeafCaroline · 02-13-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

And apparently the OP thought this was good fodder. Worrying about a so-called rapist some 50 years after the so-called act? And all based on what some woman wrote? That nobody can refute now? Man ... I need bigger eyes to roll them with.

And this woman Mimi actually never accused him of rape. I did see her in a tv interview and she said herself she had nothing but good memories of JFK.

Beach girl · 02-13-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

And this woman Mimi actually never accused him of rape. I did see her in a tv interview and she said herself she had nothing but good memories of JFK.

Lots of women have "good memories" of men who abused and yes, raped them. When "date rape" happens, women sometimes (often?) are reluctant to prosecute, as they don't know if they will be believed, or think that maybe they shared some responsibility, or think that if they didn't fight the guy and have no bruises, maybe it's not rape.

One thing the women's movement has been fighting for and educating about over the last half-century is to recognize sexual harassment, abuse, and rape. A huge imbalance of power makes it just as much "rape" as being held at gunpoint.

It's a sad story all around. I understand why she wanted to write about it now. She is in her late 60's, a time when people often look back on their lives, consolidate what they have learned, and deal with large questions from their younger years that are still troubling.

This rape/seduction/ affair, whatever you want to call it, obviously affected her in her first marriage, and was something that cast a shadow over much of her life. Good for her for getting her story written; it is part of our history as a country, and it's a psychological study of how a young girl was manipulated, and to some extent is still being manipulated, by the social and political power of a man who didn't hesitate to use that power over her.

DeafCaroline · 02-13-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

Lots of women have "good memories" of men who abused and yes, raped them. When "date rape" happens, women sometimes (often?) are reluctant to prosecute, as they don't know if they will be believed, or think that maybe they shared some responsibility, or think that if they didn't fight the guy and have no bruises, maybe it's not rape.

One thing the women's movement has been fighting for and educating about over the last half-century is to recognize sexual harassment, abuse, and rape. A huge imbalance of power makes it just as much "rape" as being held at gunpoint.

It's a sad story all around. I understand why she wanted to write about it now. She is in her late 60's, a time when people often look back on their lives, consolidate what they have learned, and deal with large questions from their younger years that are still troubling.

This rape/seduction/ affair, whatever you want to call it, obviously affected her in her first marriage, and was something that cast a shadow over much of her life. Good for her for getting her story written; it is part of our history as a country, and it's a psychological study of how a young girl was manipulated, and to some extent is still being manipulated, by the social and political power of a man who didn't hesitate to use that power over her.

You read her book?

Beach girl · 02-13-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

You read her book?

A couple.of excerps, and I saw the full interview with Meredith Viera.

Have you read the book yet?

DeafCaroline · 02-13-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

A couple.of excerps, and I saw the full interview with Meredith Viera.

Have you read the book yet?

Nope but I also saw her in a TV interview.

kokonut · 02-13-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

And apparently the OP thought this was good fodder. Worrying about a so-called rapist some 50 years after the so-called act? And all based on what some woman wrote? That nobody can refute now? Man ... I need bigger eyes to roll them with.

It's about learning a whole different historical context about JFK as a presidential figure who held much power and sway with his womanizing days. So, you're agreeing that JFK is a rapist? Or that Mimi is lying? Again, a possibility that can go both ways.

kokonut · 02-13-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Mimi Alfrod did not allege that JFK raped her. Nancy Snyderman did.

With the way Mimi described in the beginning it had the all the nuance of a date rape that was being committed.

VacationGuy234 · 02-13-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

With the way Mimi described in the beginning it had the all the nuance of a date rape that was being committed.

Dude, I understand what you are saying. However, men do not decide whether it is or not. Women, most importantly the one in question, decide. Understand?

02-11-2012, 04:40 PM	#92 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	I just gave a quote on what she said. She wanted to leave...but couldn't. Meaning she didn't want to have sex in the first place. She was in a situation similar to date rape. All this is just a borderline scenario. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

02-11-2012, 08:19 PM	#94 (permalink)
AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,808	The man is dead. How is he going to defend himself against allegedly that nothing would "thwart his intentions". How lame. Attacking dead people is close to as low as some can get. (Apparently not for a select few, however.) DeafCaroline likes this.

02-12-2012, 12:52 PM	#105 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Women of the Mob, notorious gangster girlfriends — Judith Exner: From the Outfit to the Oval Office — Crime Library on truTV.com __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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saywhatkid Emerging from the sun Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In space Posts: 7,242 Blog Entries: 2	So the real question is; are Democrats politically prone to commit sexual assaults? Is it due to their "logical brains" as was discussed before? Are Republicans less likely to commit these crimes due to their "emotional brains?" __________________ "Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies." ~ Mother Teresa

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DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	What do you mean by pretty much? Care to provide a quote where Mimi actually alleges he raped her? Just so you know, I saw her in a TV interview, what she had to say and what you are alleging are two completely different things.

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Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	Mimi Alfrod did not allege that JFK raped her. Nancy Snyderman did.

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