Originally Posted by Reba

You guys having been posting back and forth furiously. I can't keep up, so maybe I missed something. Other than Newt's sister supports Obama, exactly what point are you making about Gingrich?

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

... in 2004, Obama gave 1%, since then his charitable donations have gone up to as high as 15%. Any of you donating the same percent?

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Originally Posted by Tousi

Careful there, TX; wittle Jiro's getting mad.

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

I was wondering why you didn't provide any sources to back this up. Now I know. You were talking about how much he donated in 2004.....which was 8 years ago.

And as for the tax returns.... in 2004, Obama gave 1%, since then his charitable donations have gone up to as high as 15%. Any of you donating the same percent? No? Hmm.....hypocritical much?

As for Obama not enforcing DOMA - Obama failed because he's not homophobic? He never promised to enforce DOMA.

and as for Gingrich - saw this on facebook: "If I understand it right he's depending on the daughters of his first wife to convince people that his second wife is lying about his third wife.

A whole new definition of family values."

Indeed.

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

I was wondering why you didn't provide any sources to back this up. Now I know. You were talking about how much he donated in 2004.....which was 8 years ago.

And as for the tax returns.... in 2004, Obama gave 1%, since then his charitable donations have gone up to as high as 15%. Any of you donating the same percent? No? Hmm.....hypocritical much?

As for Obama not enforcing DOMA - Obama failed because he's not homophobic? He never promised to enforce DOMA.

and as for Gingrich - saw this on facebook: "If I understand it right he's depending on the daughters of his first wife to convince people that his second wife is lying about his third wife.

A whole new definition of family values."

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Jiro

for clarifying it for me. TXGolfer could have kindly explained that without that snooty condescending attitude.

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

C) Yes, I give more than 15%. I consider 15% to be a very sad level of giving for people who have much.

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

I was wondering why you didn't provide any sources to back this up. Now I know. You were talking about how much he donated in 2004.....which was 8 years ago.

And as for the tax returns.... in 2004, Obama gave 1%, since then his charitable donations have gone up to as high as 15%. Any of you donating the same percent? No? Hmm.....hypocritical much?

As for Obama not enforcing DOMA - Obama failed because he's not homophobic? He never promised to enforce DOMA.

and as for Gingrich - saw this on facebook: "If I understand it right he's depending on the daughters of his first wife to convince people that his second wife is lying about his third wife.

A whole new definition of family values."

Indeed.

Originally Posted by rolling7

Just to clarify, since you are not American, do you know that every POTUS takes an oath to uphold and enforce all the laws of the land? Obama does not get to pick and choose which laws he will enforce based on his personal whims.

Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Are you counting tax, too? Since it's practically like giving it to charity. OooOoooOohhh, I went there....

Edit: by the way, you're a better person than me. I do give to charity, but just calculated the percentage of my gross income (before taxes). Wow it's REAAAALLLYYY low..... :-|

Originally Posted by Daredevel7

How does a president "enforce" a law? Isn't that like saying "The Pope doesn't enforce pre-marital sex ban"?

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I like your take on taxes.

I learned my giving from my folks. As I have said we were REALLY poor when I was a kid. Yet my parents gave every week. It became a habit I picked up. I don't judge others though with the exception of people running for office claiming they care about the poor.

Originally Posted by Daredevel7

My mom gave quite a bit of money to church every week. I thought I gave a reasonable amount per month, but I never thought about it until now. That's why I was like wow... that's pretty low.... when I calculated the percentage. I'd like to think that I'll start giving to charity heavily when I've already had kids and their education is paid for. For now, I'll just steadily increase the percentage per year.

As for the bolded, I knew you would. :-P

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

A) I haven't mentioned DOMA in this thread.

B) I mentioned Obama gives more now that he is under the microscope. In 2007 (year before election) he gave less than 6%

Obama made $4 million last year - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

C) Yes, I give more than 15%. I consider 15% to be a very sad level of giving for people who have much.

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

just less than 6% of 4 million is a hefty donation and p.s. are you talking 4 million before or after taxes?

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That is where we differ.... I find 6% to be a paltry donation for a millionaire. I personally would be ashamed of myself if my % was that small. That being said, this would be none of my business if Obama weren't running for President and touting himself as the best President for the poor.

Without going back to check, I believe it was before taxes. If not that is even worse.

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

hmmm....so might as well give all politicians a hard time for not donating minimum 15% to charity then, not just Obama. Out of curiosity, how much did Gingrich donate to charity? Let's look it up....2.6%

curious why you blast obama for 6% but not gingrich for 2.6%. actually, i'm not curious. I'm making a statement.

Gingrich's charitable giving not so charitable, data show - InvestmentNews

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Newt's charitable giving is disgraceful..... but I don't see him pandering to the "poor vote" like Obama. Newt's calls for Romney's taxes my bite him in the butt.

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Newt's charitable giving is disgraceful..... but I don't see him pandering to the "poor vote" like Obama. Newt's calls for Romney's taxes my bite him in the butt.

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That is where we differ.... I find 6% to be a paltry donation for a millionaire. I personally would be ashamed of myself if my % was that small. That being said, this would be none of my business if Obama weren't running for President and touting himself as the best President for the poor.

Without going back to check, I believe it was before taxes. If not that is even worse.

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Oh, so, gingrich's noncharitable tendencies and lobbying for Freddie Mac before the 2008 collapse, as well as cheating on two wives pales in comparison to Obama's "pandering" to the poor vote?

c'mon now.

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Not what I said.

Originally Posted by Jiro

but you're overlooking what he has done for people.

Action > Money. He was a community organizer, civil rights attorney, and bunch more. He has worked with more poor people than both Romney and Gingrich did combined.

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I see it differently.

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

so what's your point then?

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Hate to say, charities aren't helpful at all and I saw some documentaries about poor people don't get much help from charities, just VERY little, that it.

Originally Posted by Jiro

yes. your view leans toward to socialism/communism that we have to give more $$$$ to public/tax if we're rich.