George Bush cancels Switzerland trip over fears of being arrested - Page 2

kokonut · 01-15-2012, 07:36 PM

This is something Bush does to honor and respect wounded soldiers like he has done for years behind the scene while as president.

Obama had a great potential? Something like awarding him the Nobel Peace Prize even before he began office? The dude is a joke...and an embarrassment and I thought Carter was bad.

DeafTim · 01-15-2012, 07:44 PM

George Bush shoe attack - YouTube

kokonut · 01-15-2012, 07:53 PM

**TXgolfer** · 01-15-2012, 08:31 PM

Meh..

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Former President George W. Bush was forced to cancel a planned trip to Switzerland this week over concerns of protests linked to the Bush adminstration's treatment of detainees.

International human rights groups had threatened large-scale demonstrations at the United Israel Appeal fundraiser, where Bush was scheduled as a guest speaker, and called for legal action against Bush for his role in the alleged torture of U.S.-held detainees. The organization called off the event on Friday.

Organizers of the protests wanted participants to rally outside the Geneva hotel where Bush would have appeared and each bring a shoe -- a symbol of disapproval in some parts of the world sometimes thrown at opponents, as Bush experienced at a 2008 press conference in Baghdad.

Activists also planned to file an official criminal complaint against Bush with Swiss prosecutors, nine years after he ordered that the Geneva Conventions would not apply to "enemy combatants" arrested by the U.S. military in Afghanistan or elsewhere around the world.

"Waterboarding is torture, and Bush has admitted, without any sign of remorse, that he approved its use," said Katherine Gallagher, an attorney with the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, which is party to the complaint.

"The reach of the Convention Against Torture is wide -- this case is prepared and will be waiting for him wherever he travels next," she said. "Torturers -- even if they are former presidents of the United States -- must be held to account and prosecuted. Impunity for Bush must end."

Bush spokesman David Sherzer expressed regret that the Feb. 12 event was scrapped, but declined to comment on the reasons for the cancellation. Bush has traveled to Canada, Asia, South America and the Middle East since leaving office two years ago.

A lawyer for the Jewish nonprofit that had invited Bush, Robert Equey, said that the looming protests, including the potential for violence, were the primary factors for cancelling the event, not the threat of legal action against Bush.

"The calls to demonstrate were sliding into dangerous terrain," Equey told the Swiss daily newspaper Tribune de Geneve. "The organizers claimed to be able to maintain order, but warned they could not be held responsible for any outbursts."

U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland Donald Beyer said it was unlikely Swiss authorities would have tried to detain Bush had he travelled to Switzerland after a criminal complaint was filed, and he said the embassy had no official exchange with the Swiss government about the visit.

"I very much respect the right of the Swiss who objected to him coming, who were using this opportunity to object to many of the policies of the Bush administration," Beyer said Monday in an interview on World Radio Switzerland. "On the other hand, I'm disappointed that he chose not to come because I think more dialogue is better than less."

A Swiss Justice Ministry spokesman told the AP that Bush would have enjoyed immunity from prosecution for any actions taken while in office based on an initial assessment of international law.

Human rights groups, however, believe the threat of legal action did ultimately force Bush to alter his travel plans, and they say they will continue to press for prosecution of Bush if he travels to other countries who are signatories to the Geneva Conventions.

"Whatever Bush or his hosts say, we have no doubt he cancelled his trip to avoid our case," said Gallagher. "The message from civil society is clear -- if you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans."

George W. Bush Cancels Swiss Trip as Rights Activists Vow War Crimes Charges - ABC News

So basically, a bunch of leftists threatened violence in order to protest torture and a charity function had to be cancelled.

DeafCaroline · 01-15-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Meh..

George W. Bush Cancels Swiss Trip as Rights Activists Vow War Crimes Charges - ABC News

So basically, a bunch of leftists threatened violence in order to protest torture and a charity function had to be cancelled.

George Bush was afraid of a few leftist protestors? Hmmm.

**TXgolfer** · 01-15-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

George Bush was afraid of a few leftist protestors? Hmmm.

Article says the event was cancelled due to the threats.

Keep on fighting violence with violence though.

Only the poor got hurt by this.

DeafCaroline · 01-15-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Article says the event was cancelled due to the threats.

Keep on fighting violence with violence though.

Only the poor got hurt by this.

If that's what you believe, ok.

**TXgolfer** · 01-15-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

If that's what you believe, ok.

A charity fundraiser had to be cancelled due to threats..... Pretty sad really.

**Foxrac** · 01-15-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

This is something Bush does to honor and respect wounded soldiers like he has done for years behind the scene while as president.

Obama had a great potential? Something like awarding him the Nobel Peace Prize even before he began office? The dude is a joke...and an embarrassment and I thought Carter was bad.

Obama has better approval rating than G.W. Bush does.

G.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter are almost equally bad.
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**Foxrac** · 01-15-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

I have a strong dislike for our current president. Seeing his face or hearing his voice makes me ill or angry. He will without a doubt go down in history in my book as the worst president ever!

Only for you, kokonut and whoever believe in right wing.

Obama isn't bad as I thought, even he is better than G.W. Bush.

DeafCaroline · 01-15-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

A charity fundraiser had to be cancelled due to threats..... Pretty sad really.

sure.

Steinhauer · 01-15-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Lock him up and throw away the key.

BTW, Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, had his dirty little hands all over Nazi money and helped the Nazi rise to power. The family is still rolling around in that dough.

And HERE IS MY SOURCE: How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian

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The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power.

spin spin spin ....

In other news, Switzerland admitted that they KNOWINGLY hoarded gold stolen from tortured, killed and maimed Jews of the Holocaust.

World Jewish Congress lawsuit against Swiss banks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Eizenstat report was that Switzerland assisted the Nazis beyond what was necessary for a neutral country, and prolonged the war

Steinhauer · 01-15-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

A charity fundraiser had to be cancelled due to threats..... Pretty sad really.

It wouldn't have anything to do with it being a Jewish Charity in Switzerland would it?

**TXgolfer** · 01-15-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

It wouldn't have anything to do with it being a Jewish Charity in Switzerland would it?

**Jiro** · 01-16-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

spin spin spin ....

In other news, Switzerland admitted that they KNOWINGLY hoarded gold stolen from tortured, killed and maimed Jews of the Holocaust.

World Jewish Congress lawsuit against Swiss banks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

admitted? where?

Grummer · 01-16-2012, 01:53 AM

how come it that the Jews are the very ones dirtying at wall st, AND they want more $$$ ???? kinda fishy no?

kokonut · 01-16-2012, 02:22 AM

Sounds mighty anti-Semitic. Even I wouldn't go that far.

JEWS AND MONEY - The Story of a Stereotype

DeafCaroline · 01-16-2012, 06:59 AM

Every country has had their dark side, America is no different from Switzerland so this attempt to fingerpoint is a bit hypocritical especially since it was America's president who launched a decade long war on Iraq on false claims of nuclear weapons.

But if you'd rather talk about Switzerland hoarding stolen gold back in WW2 than about this article, then ok, go ahead and play the blame game. It's futile and useless really.

VacationGuy234 · 01-16-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

You do know Switzerland helped the Nazis hide gold stolen from murdered and tortured Jews right?

Collaborating hypocrites

Swiss kept billions in looted Nazi gold

To be fair, Switzerland helped everyone steal something. You could say they were neutral in that respect as well. And, I wouldn't doubt it if the Halberton company had a nice account over there now too.

It's highly unlikely they would arrest him, but you never know.

VacationGuy234 · 01-16-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Sounds mighty anti-Semitic. Even I wouldn't go that far.

JEWS AND MONEY - The Story of a Stereotype

ADL is a propaganda mill that uses antisemitism as a shield. It's no different than any other organization that promotes something. Spin has been around since time began, but I think today most organizations have perfected it.

Of course, there is money. Does anyone actually think without money as influence, in this world you gain powerful allies? If that were the case, Haiti wold be totally repaired now from the last earth quake. It doesn't work that way. You have money and you gain power. That's how it works.

VacationGuy234 · 01-16-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Grummer

how come it that the Jews are the very ones dirtying at wall st, AND they want more $$$ ???? kinda fishy no?

The Jews aren't dirtying Wall St, our deregulation of the system is dirtying it. You open up the hen house and everyone grabs a chicken, it's not hard to understand.

Steinhauer · 01-16-2012, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Every country has had their dark side, America is no different from Switzerland so this attempt to fingerpoint is a bit hypocritical especially since it was America's president who launched a decade long war on Iraq on false claims of nuclear weapons.

But if you'd rather talk about Switzerland hoarding stolen gold back in WW2 than about this article, then ok, go ahead and play the blame game. It's futile and useless really.

The blame game was the finger pointing at Bush. Look at what is connected to those finger pointers and you have mass graves throughout Europe.

DeafCaroline · 01-16-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

The blame game was the finger pointing at Bush. Look at what is connected to those finger pointers and you have mass graves throughout Europe.

Bush is a mass murderer and endorser of torture. He's a war criminal who should be brought to trial for his false claims of nuclear weapons that led to a 10 year war on Iraq and deaths of hundreds of thousands of civillians.

If that's who you admire and support, all rightee. Go ahead and keep talking about Switzerland hoarding stolen goods in WW2 instead of directly talking about Bush's actions as President that led to much of the world hating him. You must be one of the few fans he has left. congrats.

**saywhatkid** · 01-16-2012, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

To be fair, Switzerland helped everyone steal something. You could say they were neutral in that respect as well.

I said the same thing, but seems there are many that want to put a political lean to it. *shrugs*

VacationGuy234 · 01-16-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

The blame game was the finger pointing at Bush. Look at what is connected to those finger pointers and you have mass graves throughout Europe.

You cannot deny he lied about the weapons of mass destruction? Personally, I disagreed with the war in Iraq, but I had no problem with the invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, I believe that should have been our only war. If we had concentrated on just that, IMO, Al-Queda would have been defeated years ago.

DeafCaroline · 01-16-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

You cannot deny he lied about the weapons of mass destruction? Personally, I disagreed with the war in Iraq, but I had no problem with the invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, I believe that should have been our only war. If we had concentrated on just that, IMO, Al-Queda would have been defeated years ago.

The people in Afghanistan would beg to differ about the war launched on them....Al Qaeda were not the only ones who suffered the consequences in that country. And by the way, if the US leaves that country in ruins, they are only helping to create yet another Al-Qaeda. Already Iraq is in revolt after the US started withdrawing so really, what has been accomplished for the better good for either the US or Iraq? Not much except a breeding ground for more terrorists.

Anyway, been doing more reading on Bush and waterboarding at Gauntanamo Bay. No matter what his spokesperson says, Bush is very much at risk for being up on criminal charges just for the waterboarding application alone, never mind his other illegal activities.

**Beowulf** · 01-16-2012, 09:14 AM

Awww, they were only fraternity pranks.

PowerON · 01-16-2012, 09:22 AM

Why bring one-year news? We do not have proof that he did. It just usually the policies and corp got it stir up.

VacationGuy234 · 01-16-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

The people in Afghanistan would beg to differ about the war launched on them....Al Qaeda were not the only ones who suffered the consequences in that country. And by the way, if the US leaves that country in ruins, they are only helping to create yet another Al-Qaeda. Already Iraq is in revolt after the US started withdrawing so really, what has been accomplished for the better good for either the US or Iraq? Not much except a breeding ground for more terrorists.

Anyway, been doing more reading on Bush and waterboarding at Gauntanamo Bay. No matter what his spokesperson says, Bush is very much at risk for being up on criminal charges just for the waterboarding application alone, never mind his other illegal activities.

Of course, nobody wants to have a war thrown upon them, but you cannot believe that the Taliban and Al-Queda were not in bed together. And, we have not left the country in ruins. We are the only country in the world that rebuilds nations with whom have we gone to war.

Yes, I don't think we should torture people(I don't think you have to). I also don't think Danial Perl should have been beheaded. If you can find out a way to conduct a war without hurting people, I'm all for it.

Also, I don't think any country, who can't wadge war with that country, would be dumb enough to arrest a former head of state. Any prosecution of an American president will most likely occur here in the U.S.

I don't agree(completely) with what Bush did, but his job was to protect the United States. That is, exactly, his job description.

DeafCaroline · 01-16-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Why bring one-year news? We do not have proof that he did. It just usually the policies and corp got it stir up.

Bush himself admitted to use and endorsement of the waterboarding torture at Guantanamo Bay.

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