DeafCaroline

Look what happened when Lowe's tried to "appease the base."

Same thing will happen to Michelle.

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VacationGuy234

That may be true.

kokonut

Companies are not allowed to pull their own ads?

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DeafCaroline

Once again Kokonut, where did I say they can't?

Are you in the habit of putting words into other peoples mouths then claiming you must have "misread"?

kokonut

Never did that. The question is, are companies not allowed to pull their own ads?

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DeafCaroline

You know the answer to this question therefore this question is a statement in disguise.

kokonut

I'm not a mind reader. It'd be egotistical to think that.

Well?

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jillio

No, I wasn't referring to you at all, AJWSmith.

DeafCaroline

You don't need to be a mind reader to use google and find out the answer to the question. Although I can tell you right now that I already know the answer and I'm sure you do too. So, what point are you making by asking this question?

jillio

This thread is about Bachman's hatred of Muslims. And the tendency of so many to buy into the hatred and fear that she sells.

VacationGuy234

I must admit, she has a point here, kokonut.

VacationGuy234

And, her playing on the fears of her base is what I was pointing out.

AJWSmith

Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't sure

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jillio

Of course it will. Simply because she is making a grave error in her estimation of the population and their belief systems. Those who subscribe to her particular brand of fear, hatred and judgement are not in the majority. That was evidenced in the last Presidential election.

jillio

Not a problem.

jillio

Rather unethical, don't you think, to use someone's ignorance to advance your own position?

VacationGuy234

Were did you hear that politicians were ethical?

kokonut

I say that companies are allowed to do what they want with their ads dollars. Put them on air or yank them off for whatever reasons. I don't know about you since you haven't really clarified your position. I could speculate, mind read, but it could be for the worse, too. And I may be right about it. Or not.

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kokonut

Talking about the Lowe's situation.

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jillio

Where did I say that I ever heard such a thing? I was asking a question about this one particular situation.

VacationGuy234

And, I replied to the question with a sarcastic remark.

webexplorer

I like Ron Paul. I wish that his election rate shot up as popular.

DeafCaroline

What is there to speculate? I said look what happened what Lowe's tried to "appease their base". And that the same will happen to Michelle Bachmann and suddenly you're asking if companies are not allowed to withdraw ads.

I never said they aren't allowed. I know you're trying to make a point without actually saying it.

jillio

And your point was? Sarcasm is generally an attempt to not answer a direct question.

TWA

Nobody said they can't do that. Nobody is crying for increased regulation in ad contracts.

The outrage is over the motivation behind Lowe's retraction and the call to action is to single out and protest that motivation.

You do this with everything: reduce the issue to black and white that has only one correct answer. You manage to pack multiple logical fallacies into almost every single post you make.

Steinhauer

Bachmann has already corrected Ron Paul - she does not hate Muslims, she views Iran as a very real threat.

She is also not a truther like Ron Paul - she may be nuts but not psycho.

DeafCaroline

Lowe's withdrew their sponsorship of "All American Muslim" as a reaction to some obscure little org in florida called Florida Family Organization who protested against the positive portrayal of American Muslims, and insisted it was propaganda and an attempt to subvert traditional american values.

And now the backlash against Lowe's is nation-wide and growing rapidly. And if Michelle is trying to appeal to a religious Christian base by hyping anti-Muslim fears, she's in for a rude shock because countless Christian orgs are joining the protest against Lowe's bigotry.

Real Christians don't promote hatred.

jillio

Dichotomous thinking. The greatest obstacle to actual comprehension.

jillio

Yeah, she has said she doesn't "hate" Muslims. That should be good enough for everyone.

No, she's psycho. And stupid to boot.

kokonut

It was a relatively simple question. In fact, a pretty simple question though not a mind reader.

Exactly what the "motivation" are you talking about? Change what motivation? Are you interested in helping Lowes make lots of profits?

Irregardless of the "motivation" companies live and die by their ads and whether its worth to contribute their advertising dollars or not. Money is usually the motivation, if not always, rather than about race as a reason. Lowes wasn't the only one that pulled their ad yet the focus is on Lowes. Pulled an ad from a not very popular show and people get upset. So, now, if Lowes decides to put their ad back in then they must leave it in from now for perpetuity until that show stops airing? Lowes can never leave again?

Money talks, I suppose. That's the motivation. Because of this outrage, companies will make an added effort to make sure whether it's worth to place an ad first and later should they pull it, for whatever reason, would not be faced with a bunch outrage?

whoops..forgot to add this:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lowes-...173552008.html

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