Vote? ID required....

kokonut · 12-13-2011, 10:58 AM

Holder to wade into debate over voting rights - The Washington Post

Picture ID required if you want to vote.

**Banjo** · 12-13-2011, 11:04 AM

Nothing new, we have been doing this in Canada for a good while.

Royale · 12-13-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Nothing new, we have been doing this in Canada for a good while.

Yup. Yesterday our Immigration Minister officially announced the Muslim women must show their face when they were to swear on oath to become Canadians. It means they have to undo their niqab or burka.

I think the U.S. should do the same as we do.

**Banjo** · 12-13-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Royale

Yup. Yesterday our Immigration Minister officially announced the Muslim women must show their face when they were to swear on oath to become Canadians. It means they have to undo their niqab or burka.

I think the U.S. should do the same as we do.

It doesn't make sense to take a photo ID If you can't see the face. No disrespect to the religious followers, but there's a lot of good reasons why we use photo IDs. So they'll have to do their part too.

Royale · 12-13-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by banjo

it doesn't make sense to take a photo id if you can't see the face.

exactly!

**Jiro** · 12-13-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Holder to wade into debate over voting rights - The Washington Post

Picture ID required if you want to vote.

so what's your opinion about this?

Beach girl · 12-13-2011, 11:29 AM

I think so too, in this regard.

I do not see anything wrong with requiring picture ID, or with registering to vote at least 30 days before the election, either.

I'd like to see post offices perhaps be empowered to grant such IDs for non-drivers (the same way you can apply for a passport at the post-office), in order to expand accessibility beyond the driver's license that some people may not be qualified for.

That said, nothing wrong at all with making sure that voters really are legitimate voters, and that the person showing up at the polling station is indeed who he/she claims to be.

**Banjo** · 12-13-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

I think so too, in this regard.

I do not see anything wrong with requiring picture ID, or with registering to vote at least 30 days before the election, either.

I'd like to see post offices perhaps be empowered to grant such IDs for non-drivers (the same way you can apply for a passport at the post-office), in order to expand accessibility beyond the driver's license that some people may not be qualified for.

That said, nothing wrong at all with making sure that voters really are legitimate voters, and that the person showing up at the polling station is indeed who he/she claims to be.

Yes, we do have photo identification card for non-drivers in Ontario. The purpose of the card is to make access to Ontario services much easier for individuals and families.

**TWA** · 12-13-2011, 11:32 AM

Welcome to America. You are going to show your face. Don't like it? GTFO.

DeafCaroline · 12-13-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thewritealex

welcome to america. You are going to show your face. Don't like it? Gtfo.

gfto?

DeafCaroline · 12-13-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

It doesn't make sense to take a photo ID If you can't see the face. No disrespect to the religious followers, but there's a lot of good reasons why we use photo IDs. So they'll have to do their part too.

What about fingerprints?

**Banjo** · 12-13-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

What about fingerprints?

Can you please elaborate on what you meant by that question? I know we don't use fingerprints on our ID cards.

**saywhatkid** · 12-13-2011, 11:36 AM

That should eliminate a few votes for the Dems. Good job. Now to figure out some other ways...

**Banjo** · 12-13-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

gfto?

Get the fook out.

Beach girl · 12-13-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Yes, we do have photo identification card for non-drivers in Ontario. The purpose of the card is to make access to Ontario services much easier for individuals and families.

We do too. Sometimes poor people complain that it is difficult to get those state-issued identification cards, and I'm arguing that accessibility should be made easier. Post offices are usually fairly easy to get to, as compared to DMVs (Dept. of Motor Vehicles) which sometimes are not that easy to reach by public transportation.

So while I think there is no problem with requiring a photo ID, it should also be, in an ideal world, reasonably easy to get to a place that can issue those IDs, to make them more accessible to the population they need to serve.

**Banjo** · 12-13-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

We do too. Sometimes poor people complain that it is difficult to get those state-issued identification cards, and I'm arguing that accessibility should be made easier. Post offices are usually fairly easy to get to, as compared to DMVs (Dept. of Motor Vehicles) which sometimes are not that easy to reach by public transportation.

So while I think there is no problem with requiring a photo ID, it should also be, in an ideal world, reasonably easy to get to a place that can issue those IDs, to make them more accessible to the population they need to serve.

I'm not sure how your post office is operated in the USA, it seems different from what we do here. We can apply or renew our passports through Canada Post, but we have to obtain our photo identification cards through a government office. They are somewhat easy to deal with provided that you have the required documents. The post office here is able to do a number of services, but there are a lot they cannot perform since it is out of their range.

I remember how different it was a few years ago compared to now. We are now able to obtain government services through the internet. Although we still do have to renew our photo IDs at the government office since they need to take new pictures of us.

**Jiro** · 12-13-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

I'm not sure how your post office is operated in the USA, it seems different from what we do here. We can apply or renew our passports through Canada Post, but we have to obtain our photo identification cards through a government office. They are somewhat easy to deal with provided that you have the required documents. The post office here is able to do a number of services, but there are a lot they cannot perform since it is out of their range.

I remember how different it was a few years ago compared to now. We are now able to obtain government services through the internet. Although we still do have to renew our photo IDs at the government office since they need to take new pictures of us.

that's for passport but for state-issued ID... only DMV can issue that. Beach Girl would like to see that Post Office can do that too.

Beach girl · 12-13-2011, 11:50 AM

It's pretty much the same in the U.S.

Beach girl · 12-13-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that's for passport but for state-issued ID... only DMV can issue that. Beach Girl would like to see that Post Office can do that too.

Exactly.

**saywhatkid** · 12-13-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

We do too. Sometimes poor people complain that it is difficult to get those state-issued identification cards, and I'm arguing that accessibility should be made easier. Post offices are usually fairly easy to get to, as compared to DMVs (Dept. of Motor Vehicles) which sometimes are not that easy to reach by public transportation.

So while I think there is no problem with requiring a photo ID, it should also be, in an ideal world, reasonably easy to get to a place that can issue those IDs, to make them more accessible to the population they need to serve.

Yes, those "poor people" have to find a way to get to the local licensing department, pay the fee, wait in line; all to be allowed to vote. Some of those folks need to skip medications or eat; their choice. Imagine tossing this into their budget. Perhaps they can collect fees at the voting booths as well.

**TWA** · 12-13-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

We do too. Sometimes poor people complain that it is difficult to get those state-issued identification cards, and I'm arguing that accessibility should be made easier. Post offices are usually fairly easy to get to, as compared to DMVs (Dept. of Motor Vehicles) which sometimes are not that easy to reach by public transportation.

So while I think there is no problem with requiring a photo ID, it should also be, in an ideal world, reasonably easy to get to a place that can issue those IDs, to make them more accessible to the population they need to serve.

It's not difficult. They're just lazy. God forbid they can't get a ride or pay for public transportation to the nearest D/BMV office. Use a little creativity. They're even open on the weekends, too!

I haven't gotten my DC identification card. It would be a pain in the ass for me to go to the DMV, but it would not be difficult, at all. I haven't gone because I'm lazy.

Beach girl · 12-13-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Yes, those "poor people" have to find a way to get to the local licensing department, pay the fee, wait in line; all to be allowed to vote. Some of those folks need to skip medications or eat; their choice. Imagine tossing this into their budget. Perhaps they can collect fees at the voting booths as well.

Well, the cost of it becomes a different argument than the necessity of it. Maybe the cost could be waived or greatly reduced for anyone receiving welfare benefits, for instance.

There could be ways to address cost and accessibility issues that are separate from the requirement that all voters need a photo ID to verify identity.

Jane B. · 12-13-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

We do too. Sometimes poor people complain that it is difficult to get those state-issued identification cards, and I'm arguing that accessibility should be made easier. Post offices are usually fairly easy to get to, as compared to DMVs (Dept. of Motor Vehicles) which sometimes are not that easy to reach by public transportation.

So while I think there is no problem with requiring a photo ID, it should also be, in an ideal world, reasonably easy to get to a place that can issue those IDs, to make them more accessible to the population they need to serve.

I don't see any problem with the ID requirement. Illinois does send voter registration cards (no photo) and State Photo ID cards in place of a drivers license are available for those that don't drive but I am not up-d-date on what it currently takes to register as I first registered so long ago and also have driven for more years than I care to count.

The use of the Post Office for the cards seems like a good idea especially in metro areas. It is another time when it is a matter of location, location, location. But not an issue in the area where I live as the local Post Office and DMV on within one block of each other on a main street!

VacationGuy234 · 12-13-2011, 12:01 PM

When you go to the polls in the U.S. they check off your name and address, they already know you exist. If it is to cut down people putting in fake votes, perhaps that's an issue, but nobody can vote twice as far as I can tell, you would already be check off.

VacationGuy234 · 12-13-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

What about fingerprints?

Actually, finger printing is not an exact science as you may have been told by law enforcement.

DeafCaroline · 12-13-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

It's not difficult. They're just lazy. God forbid they can't get a ride or pay for public transportation to the nearest D/BMV office. Use a little creativity. They're even open on the weekends, too!

I haven't gotten my DC identification card. It would be a pain in the ass for me to go to the DMV, but it would not be difficult, at all. I haven't gone because I'm lazy.

Very poor people tend to work more hours and spend more hours in public transit. it does pose a bit of a problem for them. online voting is not possible?

DeafCaroline · 12-13-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

Actually, finger printing is not an exact science as you may have been told by law enforcement.

It's far more exact than a photo - otherwise the police would be satisfied with just taking your photo when you're arrested.

DeafCaroline · 12-13-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Can you please elaborate on what you meant by that question? I know we don't use fingerprints on our ID cards.

I mean using fingerprinting as a form of identification for voters, but I just realized right now that many people are not comfortable with their fingerprints being on permanent records. d'oh.

Frisky Feline · 12-13-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Holder to wade into debate over voting rights - The Washington Post

Picture ID required if you want to vote.

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so what's your opinion about this?

Ditto.

DeafCaroline · 12-13-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Get the fook out.

ah! thanks.

12-13-2011, 10:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
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Beach girl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: northern Virginia in winter; NC in summer Posts: 3,760	I think so too, in this regard. I do not see anything wrong with requiring picture ID, or with registering to vote at least 30 days before the election, either. I'd like to see post offices perhaps be empowered to grant such IDs for non-drivers (the same way you can apply for a passport at the post-office), in order to expand accessibility beyond the driver's license that some people may not be qualified for. That said, nothing wrong at all with making sure that voters really are legitimate voters, and that the person showing up at the polling station is indeed who he/she claims to be. airportcop likes this.

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12-13-2011, 11:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	Nothing new, we have been doing this in Canada for a good while.

12-13-2011, 11:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
TWA Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,374	Welcome to America. You are going to show your face. Don't like it? GTFO.

12-13-2011, 11:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
Beach girl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: northern Virginia in winter; NC in summer Posts: 3,760	It's pretty much the same in the U.S.

12-13-2011, 12:01 PM	#24 (permalink)
VacationGuy234 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,773	When you go to the polls in the U.S. they check off your name and address, they already know you exist. If it is to cut down people putting in fake votes, perhaps that's an issue, but nobody can vote twice as far as I can tell, you would already be check off.