Climategate 2.0

kokonut · 11-24-2011, 11:22 PM

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A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures.

Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate - Forbes

No surprise there. We'll see how this will come out over the next few days/weeks.

kokonut · 11-24-2011, 11:23 PM

The documents:

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posts from hell · 11-24-2011, 11:38 PM

I read this yesterday. Basically the same time frame of the previous batch of the emails that were stolen. in 2009, nothing new.

kokonut · 11-24-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I read this yesterday. Basically the same time frame of the previous batch of the emails that were stolen. in 2009, nothing new.

Quite incorrect. I've been following this for a few days. Lots of new revelations. People continue to sift through the 5000+ emails.

**Banjo** · 11-24-2011, 11:46 PM

Good gracious me!

kokonut · 11-24-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Good gracious me!

It was never about having an open and honest science as these emails continue to show but all about politics and control in their efforts to modify data dishonestly. It was a bad game of playing Chicken Little that the sky is falling. Many people knew this was never the case and these emails support their arguments.

posts from hell · 11-25-2011, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Quite incorrect. I've been following this for a few days. Lots of new revelations. People continue to sift through the 5000+ emails.

Any 2011 emails?

**TWA** · 11-25-2011, 12:21 AM

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Any 2011 emails?

Latest date is late 2009 which corresponds to the time when those emails were downloaded prior to Thanksgiving 2009, you would expect a date no later than that. There are lots of new revelations not found in the first batch that was released to the public, especially about M. Mann and Penn State (if you know the story, fine, if not, go do some research). Also, found in 32 emails going back as far as 1998 show that the World Bank may be something of a puppet master. Including giving directions to professional journals from the World Bank. Something that wasn't revealed in the first batch. It's this whole sleazy quid pro quo stuff to push a climax hoax for political and economic gains.

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Don't read then.

This is one of the greatest hoax the govt and so called scientists have tried to put over the public. The teaching of a lie. You teach, don't ya?

posts from hell · 11-25-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Latest date is late 2009 which corresponds to the time when those emails were downloaded prior to Thanksgiving 2009, you would expect a date no later than that. There are lots of new revelations not found in the first batch that was released to the public, especially about M. Mann and Penn State (if you know the story, fine, if not, go do some research). Also, found in 32 emails going back as far as 1998 show that the World Bank may be something of a puppet master. Including giving directions to professional journals from the World Bank. Something that wasn't revealed in the first batch. It's this whole sleazy quid pro quo stuff to push a climax hoax for political and economic gains.

So I was right.

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

So I was right.

If you had known the history you would've known already and not even bother to ask such a question.

posts from hell · 11-25-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

If you had known the history you would've known already and not even bother to ask such a question.

I do. That's why I pointed it out.

Any clue on why they're releasing them now of all dates?

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I do. That's why I pointed it out.

Any clue on why they're releasing them now of all dates?

Um, sure.

Of all dates?

posts from hell · 11-25-2011, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Um, sure.

Of all dates?

Yup.. If you had known the history behind all this, you wouldnt have asked that question.

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Yup.. If you had known the history behind all this, you wouldnt have asked that question.

No, no, no....I'm asking for clarification, meaning all emails up to current year 2011?

posts from hell · 11-25-2011, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

No, no, no....I'm asking for clarification, meaning all emails up to current year 2011?

no. releasing what they have.. NOW...

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

no. releasing what they have.. NOW...

I'm not sure I understand you but the limited release of those information are timed for a reason.

**Jiro** · 11-25-2011, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I'm not sure I understand you but the limited release of those information are timed for a reason.

yes. to hide the truth so that people like you can make a circus out of this like a jeckler.

get it? jester. heckler.

**TWA** · 11-25-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Don't read then.

This is one of the greatest hoax the govt and so called scientists have tried to put over the public. The teaching of a lie. You teach, don't ya?

Not at the moment. But I can assure you, all I taught were liberal lies to my students.

**Banjo** · 11-25-2011, 10:59 AM

A lot of hot air is all it is.

**TWA** · 11-25-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

A lot of hot air is all it is.

Literally!

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Not at the moment. But I can assure you, all I taught were liberal lies to my students.

**TWA** · 11-25-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It's cool, I know you're poisoning the ground water with conservative arsenic and ideology, so we're even.

AlleyCat · 11-25-2011, 11:18 AM

All I can see is another attention-whore thread that was started by the OP. Sigh.

Way to command any respect. Not.

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 11:55 AM

Interesting. Maybe people are not quiet aware of this climate hoax and the back door dealings for political expediency? I'd rather focus on the topic if people are interested. I guess they have other interests then.

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

It's cool, I know you're poisoning the ground water with conservative arsenic and ideology, so we're even.

Interesting. Yet folks seem more interested in going after AD members than to discuss or even agree to disagree but instead go into these mini apoplectic episodes of fits. No one is forcing anyone to read. *shrug*

AlleyCat · 11-25-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Interesting. Yet folks seem more interested in going after AD members than to discuss or even agree to disagree but instead go into these mini apoplectic episodes of fits. No one is forcing anyone to read. *shrug*

Nah. How many different people have posted in this thread? Not very many. It's not a topic of much interest to anyone, so it's really easy to see WHY you are posting more of these threads. I think my original post in this thread was right on target, sorry you don't like that.

**TWA** · 11-25-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Interesting. Yet folks seem more interested in going after AD members than to discuss or even agree to disagree but instead go into these mini apoplectic episodes of fits. No one is forcing anyone to read. *shrug*

No, we're just not interested in entertaining you anymore. Instead, we're going to have you entertain us. Or, more accurately, we're going to entertain ourselves at your expense.

kokonut · 11-25-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

Nah. How many different people have posted in this thread? Not very many. It's not a topic of much interest to anyone, so it's really easy to see WHY you are posting more of these threads. I think my original post in this thread was right on target, sorry you don't like that.

That's fine if it's a topic that is not much interest to some people. There are lots of threads posted in AD that don't get much attention or interest. I certainly do not bother to go there. What's your purpose to post it in here then if you're not interested in a topic? Rather curious. Mine is to discuss Climategate 2.0. And yours is....what?

11-24-2011, 11:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	The documents: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

11-25-2011, 11:55 AM	#26 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Interesting. Maybe people are not quiet aware of this climate hoax and the back door dealings for political expediency? I'd rather focus on the topic if people are interested. I guess they have other interests then. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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11-24-2011, 11:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
posts from hell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,433	I read this yesterday. Basically the same time frame of the previous batch of the emails that were stolen. in 2009, nothing new.

11-24-2011, 11:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	Good gracious me!

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TWA Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,374

11-25-2011, 10:59 AM	#21 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	A lot of hot air is all it is.

11-25-2011, 11:18 AM	#25 (permalink)
AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 11,098	All I can see is another attention-whore thread that was started by the OP. Sigh. Way to command any respect. Not.