Obama's Legacy - Page 9

jillio · 12-21-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I doubt we're paying for Obama's vacation to Hawaii. It's more like we're paying for security that follows him.

Exactly. Those costs would apply to him going no further than down the block!

**sequoias** · 12-21-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

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Originally Posted by Reba

Paid vacation means that the person still receives his wages during those vacation days. It doesn't mean that the employer pays for their vacation trips. That's what sequoias is referring to.

I doubt we're paying for Obama's vacation to Hawaii. It's more like we're paying for security that follows him.

Hmmm maybe that's possible. Still expensive as hell.

**TWA** · 12-21-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I doubt we're paying for Obama's vacation to Hawaii. It's more like we're paying for security that follows him.

Bingo.

The president does receive a salary, after all. It's not astronomical, but it is certainly generous enough to afford him plenty of nice vacations.

The security? Taxpayer money. I mean, he's only the most important and powerful man in the entire world, ya know?

DeafCaroline · 12-21-2011, 02:02 PM

According to CBS news - Presidential vacations: How does Obama compare? - CBS News

"There has been criticism of the president's vacation at this time. But how does the number of vacation days the president has spent compare to his predecessors? CBS Radio's Mark Knoller has kept track of presidential vacations for years and supplied the data.

So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days.

To be fair, a presidential vacation away from the White House is not the same as a vacation for the average person. The president is still in contact with his advisers and on call for any emergency."

jillio · 12-21-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

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Who knows what the president's perks on the job. We all know his politocal stuff are spent by the taxpayers money. I think there should be a limit on how much he spends on his vacation a year. $4 million dollars on vacation expenses is awfully a lot. Sounds like more than an average rich person who goes on vacations.

The average rich guy does not need SS agents following them and their family everywhere.

**TWA** · 12-21-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The average rich guy does not need SS agents following them and their family everywhere.

They would if the average poor person knew how much they were getting screwed over by these rich guys.

jillio · 12-21-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

They would if the average poor person knew how much they were getting screwed over by these rich guys.

You have a point there. It is to their advantage that the average poor person is...shall we say...naive.

**Jiro** · 12-21-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

Who knows what the president's perks on the job.

we do. everything's documented and it's part of public record. that's why we know how much he makes and how much of our money was being spent.

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Originally Posted by sequoias

We all know his politocal stuff are spent by the taxpayers money.

what political stuff?

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Originally Posted by sequoias

I think there should be a limit on how much he spends on his vacation a year. $4 million dollars on vacation expenses is awfully a lot. Sounds like more than an average rich person who goes on vacations.

why? it's his money.

**sequoias** · 12-21-2011, 02:07 PM

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True about the security costs but still not wise on money. Bush and others mostly stayed at the ranch while Obama goes all over the place. Interesting abt clinton only taken 28 days. Try mine. I only get 3 vacation days a year with pay. :-/

rolling7 · 12-21-2011, 02:11 PM

Guess who is paying for Wifey and the Girls to go.

BTW Bush trips to Crawford cost how much as compaired to HI?
Did I mention he stayed at his own house?

**Jiro** · 12-21-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

True about the security costs but still not wise on money. Bush and others mostly stayed at the ranch while Obama goes all over the place. Interesting abt clinton only taken 28 days.

well it's not Obama's fault that he was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is his hometown. What do you think what he should do? get a ranch next to Bush?

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Originally Posted by sequoias

Try mine. I only get 3 vacation days a year with pay. :-/

that sux. I get almost 4 weeks off. the perk of working at university otherwise it would be 2 weeks if I were working for a company. and my boss has been pestering me on frequent basis to take a vacation since I don't use it up much.

jillio · 12-21-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Guess who is paying for Wifey and the Girls to go.

BTW Bush trips to Crawford cost how much as compaired to HI?
Did I mention he stayed at his own house?

Wow! How much worse sexist language could you manage to use?

Name a President whose family was not covered in travel and security. You act like Obama is the first President to ever take his family with him anywhere. The Bush daughters alone cost this country plenty in security costs.

DeafCaroline · 12-21-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Wow! How much worse sexist language could you manage to use?

Name a President whose family was not covered in travel and security. You act like Obama is the first President to ever take his family with him anywhere. The Bush daughters alone cost this country plenty in security costs.

Bush took 77 trips to his ranch and 32% of his 8 year term was devoted towards his vacations. Conservative estimates for his trips to his ranch alone was 17.4 million.

Perspective: Obama’s Date Cost $75,000. Bush’s Crawford Trips Cost $17.4 Million. - Chris Thomas - Politics on the Rocks - True/Slant

**sequoias** · 12-21-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

well it's not Obama's fault that he was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is his hometown. What do you think what he should do? get a ranch next to Bush?

that sux. I get almost 4 weeks off. the perk of working at university otherwise it would be 2 weeks if I were working for a company. and my boss has been pestering me on frequent basis to take a vacation since I don't use it up much.

Yeah, true. Just kinda like I'm going to California to visit my family and I live in Iowa. Putting a ranch next to Bush would be awesome, j/k.

**sequoias** · 12-21-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Bush took 77 trips to his ranch and 32% of his 8 year term was devoted towards his vacations. Conservative estimates for his trips to his ranch alone was 17.4 million.

Perspective: Obama’s Date Cost $75,000. Bush’s Crawford Trips Cost $17.4 Million. - Chris Thomas - Politics on the Rocks - True/Slant

$75,000? I thought they said $4 million?

rolling7 · 12-21-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Bush took 77 trips to his ranch and 32% of his 8 year term was devoted towards his vacations. Conservative estimates for his trips to his ranch alone was 17.4 million.

Perspective: Obama’s Date Cost $75,000. Bush’s Crawford Trips Cost $17.4 Million. - Chris Thomas - Politics on the Rocks - True/Slant

Don't worry. Obama will pass Bush before his time is up. After all he does not have a home of his own to save expenses on.

rolling7 · 12-21-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

$75,000? I thought they said $4 million?

That is for ONE DATE to N.Y.C.

**sequoias** · 12-21-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

That is for ONE DATE to N.Y.C.

Oh, that's a lot of money then.

**saywhatkid** · 12-21-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Don't worry. Obama will pass Bush before his time is up. After all he does not have a home of his own to save expenses on.

Are you assuming he gets another 4 years?

DeafCaroline · 12-21-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

Oh, that's a lot of money then.

The cost of one trip to the ranch is over 200,000 (during Bush's term). that is almost 3 times the cost of obama's trip to nyc.

DeafCaroline · 12-21-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

$75,000? I thought they said $4 million?

The trip to Hawaii will be 4 million but to be accurate, Obama is paying for his own house and personal expenses. Taxpayers are footing the bill for air force and security. The air force flight to hawaii and back will be 3.2 million.

jillio · 12-21-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Don't worry. Obama will pass Bush before his time is up. After all he does not have a home of his own to save expenses on.

Oh? What about his home in the Kenwood area of Chicago?

**sequoias** · 12-21-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

The cost of one trip to the ranch is over 200,000 (during Bush's term). that is almost 3 times the cost of obama's trip to nyc.

Just for going to his own ranch?! That's ****ed up.

**Reba** · 12-21-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Isn't that the same as with the president?

Is it? Did he pay for all the vacation trip expenses, including transportation.

kokonut · 12-21-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Is it? Did he pay for all the vacation trip expenses, including transportation.

With More Vacation Days and Separate Travel, Price of Obama

**TXgolfer** · 12-21-2011, 03:22 PM

Shared sacrifice..... Just sayin

kokonut · 12-21-2011, 03:26 PM

Where?

**TXgolfer** · 12-21-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Where?

Exactly

**sequoias** · 12-21-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

With More Vacation Days and Separate Travel, Price of Obama

Sounds about right.

kokonut · 12-21-2011, 04:03 PM

Hmm...two vacation trips to Hawaii once for 2011 and once in 2010 cost at least $5.6 million dollars. So much sacrifice, it's impressive. Although president Obama has not left for Hawaii, yet.

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DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	According to CBS news - Presidential vacations: How does Obama compare? - CBS News "There has been criticism of the president's vacation at this time. But how does the number of vacation days the president has spent compare to his predecessors? CBS Radio's Mark Knoller has kept track of presidential vacations for years and supplied the data. So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch. Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days. To be fair, a presidential vacation away from the White House is not the same as a vacation for the average person. The president is still in contact with his advisers and on call for any emergency."

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sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa, the land of the cornfields and pigs Posts: 21,865	Wirelessly posted (sent from a smartphone. ) True about the security costs but still not wise on money. Bush and others mostly stayed at the ranch while Obama goes all over the place. Interesting abt clinton only taken 28 days. Try mine. I only get 3 vacation days a year with pay. :-/

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rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Guess who is paying for Wifey and the Girls to go. BTW Bush trips to Crawford cost how much as compaired to HI? Did I mention he stayed at his own house?