Obama's Legacy - Page 7

jillio · 12-03-2011, 05:51 PM

Flip flop, flip flop.

**TXgolfer** · 12-03-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Flip flop, flip flop.

Absolutely! I always reserve the right to change my mind about a candidate. Elections evolve, it would be crazy not to.

jillio · 12-03-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Absolutely! I always reserve the right to change my mind about a candidate. Elections evolve, it would be crazy not to.

Changing your mind is one thing. You seem to be rapid cycling dependent upon what you think the situation calls for.

**TXgolfer** · 12-03-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Changing your mind is one thing. You seem to be rapid cycling dependent upon what you think the situation calls for.

Elections evolve. It's a fluid process. *shrug*

**Jiro** · 12-03-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

He did but it is like roaches, once you have them it is almost impossible to get rid of them.

not really. there were only 19 hijackers.

**Jiro** · 12-03-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I have predicted Obama will win re-election for some time. I have on occasion stated I hope Obama is re-elected. That is somewhat true. It depends on the conservative candidate we have at the end. There are a few conservative candidates that I don't want in office because I don't feel they can do the job either. IF we are stuck with a President that can't do the job, I would prefer that president be a democrat. Hope that clarifies my position. I see no need to jump from one incompetent candidate to another. That is just my opinion.

Worst case scenario IMO, we elect an incompetent conservative, he makes things worse and we re-elect Obama in 2016.

why not? I think we should elect incompetent Republican so that America will finally wake up and realize that this 2-parties only is a farce.

**deafskeptic** · 12-03-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why not? I think we should elect incompetent Republican so that America will finally wake up and realize that this 2-parties only is a farce.

I doubt even that will wake America.

**Jiro** · 12-03-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I doubt even that will wake America.

well Obama did.

**Beowulf** · 12-03-2011, 10:55 PM

Ron Paul will the the GOP's Ralph Nader. He will sure mess up the vote counts.

**TXgolfer** · 12-03-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Ron Paul will the the GOP's Ralph Nader. He will sure mess up the vote counts.

Very possible

**deafskeptic** · 12-03-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

well Obama did.

How so? I think OWS woke up America..

rolling7 · 12-03-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why not? I think we should elect incompetent Republican so that America will finally wake up and realize that this 2-parties only is a farce.

Finally!!! Someone else saying what I've been saying all along.

**Jiro** · 12-03-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

How so? I think OWS woke up America..

correct me if I'm wrong but voter turnout for presidential election was highest since 1960's and Obama's fundraising was the highest one (mainly donated by little guys).

America surely woke up at that time.

**deafskeptic** · 12-03-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

correct me if I'm wrong but voter turnout for presidential election was highest since 1960's and Obama's fundraising was the highest one (mainly donated by little guys).

America surely woke up at that time.

Ah. I was thinking more about how things have changed politically.

**Daredevel7** · 12-04-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I have predicted Obama will win re-election for some time. I have on occasion stated I hope Obama is re-elected. That is somewhat true. It depends on the conservative candidate we have at the end. There are a few conservative candidates that I don't want in office because I don't feel they can do the job either. IF we are stuck with a President that can't do the job, I would prefer that president be a democrat. Hope that clarifies my position. I see no need to jump from one incompetent candidate to another. That is just my opinion.

Worst case scenario IMO, we elect an incompetent conservative, he makes things worse and we re-elect Obama in 2016.

Could you explain why you'd prefer a democrat for a president who can't do the job? Sounds like the only reason for this is to make Republicans look better?

**Jiro** · 12-04-2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Ah. I was thinking more about how things have changed politically.

it has changed.

**TXgolfer** · 12-04-2011, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Could you explain why you'd prefer a democrat for a president who can't do the job? Sounds like the only reason for this is to make Republicans look better?

Pretty much. If we are sunk either way, why change captains?

**deafskeptic** · 12-04-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

it has changed.

Well, I think that OWS has brought out things that need to be discussed in the open and that neither of the 2 parties are for change and that they're for the status quo. It remains to be seen if the necessary change (champaign reform, among other things) will come around. I do see positive change at state level in places like Ohio and also negative changes like what's happening in Arizona. I think change is more likely to happen at state and grassroots level.

I do not see much change at Federal level for many things. We did get healthcare in watered down form and bin Laden killed so that's good. More needs to be done though. I do think that change at Federal level may happen but only very slowly.

**Jiro** · 12-04-2011, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Well, I think that OWS has brought out things that need to be discussed in the open and that neither of the 2 parties are for change and that they're for the status quo. It remains to be seen if the necessary change (champaign reform, among other things) will come around. I do see positive change at state level in places like Ohio and also negative changes like what's happening in Arizona. I think change is more likely to happen at state and grassroots level.

I do not see much change at Federal level for many things. We did get healthcare in watered down form and bin Laden killed so that's good. More needs to be done though. I do think that change at Federal level may happen but only very slowly.

here's what has changed under Obama

1. largest voter turnout since 1960's... which means people have started paying attention to politic and realize that the power is in their hands, not politicians
2. Obamacare
3. Credit Card Reform Law
4. lifting federal ban on Stem Cell Research
5. Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
6. Fair Sentencing Act
7. repeal DADT
8. withdrawal of troops from Iraq
9. Wall Street Reform Bill (no more federal bailouts)
10. no more offshore tax haven accounts
11. no more media blackout on war causalities
12. and many more that's for people, not corporations

and I'd like to see how does OWS compare to that accomplishments on federal level

**Beowulf** · 12-04-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

here's what has changed under Obama

1. largest voter turnout since 1960's... which means people have started paying attention to politic and realize that the power is in their hands, not politicians
2. Obamacare
3. Credit Card Reform Law
4. lifting federal ban on Stem Cell Research
5. Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
6. Fair Sentencing Act
7. repeal DADT
8. withdrawal of troops from Iraq
9. Wall Street Reform Bill (no more federal bailouts)
10. no more offshore tax haven accounts
11. no more media blackout on war causalities
12. and many more that's for people, not corporations

and I'd like to see how does OWS compare to that accomplishments on federal level

Interesting.

jillio · 12-04-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

correct me if I'm wrong but voter turnout for presidential election was highest since 1960's and Obama's fundraising was the highest one (mainly donated by little guys).

America surely woke up at that time.

I think they were in the process of awakening. However, some are in a lifelong state of unconsciousness.

**deafskeptic** · 12-04-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I think they were in the process of awakening. However, some are in a lifelong state of unconsciousness.

were? interesting. I'm under the impression America went back to sleep.

jillio · 12-04-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

were? interesting. I'm under the impression America went back to sleep.

No, it is just a strange phenomenon...those who are unconsious somehow retain the ability to be extemely vocal!

kokonut · 12-12-2011, 11:02 AM

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Remember that the unemployment rate is not "how many people don't have jobs?", but "how many people don't have jobs and are actively looking for them?" Let's say you've been looking fruitlessly for five months and realize you've exhausted every job listing in your area. Discouraged, you stop looking, at least for the moment. According to the government, you're no longer unemployed. Congratulations?

Since 2007, the percent of the population that either has a job or is actively looking for one has fallen from 62.7 percent to 58.5 percent. That's millions of workers leaving the workforce, and it's not because they've become sick or old or infirm. It's because they can't find a job, and so they've stopped trying. That's where Luce's calculation comes from. If 62.7 percent of the country was still counted as in the workforce, unemployment would be 11 percent. In that sense, the real unemployment rate -- the apples-to-apples unemployment rate -- is probably 11 percent. And the real un- and underemployed rate -- the so-called "U6" -- is near 20 percent.

There were some celebrations when the unemployment rate dropped last month. But much of that drop was people leaving the labor force. The surprising truth is that when the labor market really recovers, the unemployment rate will actually rise, albeit only temporarily, as discouraged workers start searching for jobs again.

Wonkbook: The real unemployment rate is 11 percent - The Washington Post

Oh well...

**saywhatkid** · 12-12-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Wonkbook: The real unemployment rate is 11 percent - The Washington Post

Oh well...

Great news!

kokonut · 12-14-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Great news!

Yep. Could've been worse.

Kevin73 · 12-17-2011, 04:34 PM

In November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss of jobs in the United States in 34 years. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs were lost. By the end of 2008, the U.S. had lost a total of 2.6 million jobs.

I don't think Obama could reasonably be expected to do a better job that he's been doing with the economy. Do you expect President Obama to flip a magical switch and completely erase all the job losses in 3 years as president, in spite of inheriting what was already the worst recession in US history?

You won't hear this from Republicans, though. They have already decided to bash Obama relentlessly. Facts, logic, and reasoning aren't going to stand in their way. For that matter, if they get their news from Faux News, they probably aren't even aware that the economy is improving.

**Jiro** · 12-20-2011, 11:55 AM

CNN Poll: President’s approval nearing 50% – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

oh yeah....gotcha.... kitsch!

**Banjo** · 12-20-2011, 12:28 PM

There's not much a President can do when the Americans' self-entitlement forced the country's economy to go down the drain.

**Beowulf** · 12-20-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

There's not much a President can do when the Americans' self-entitlement forced the country's economy to go down the drain.

Eh? That's a drop in the bucket compared to military spending.

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Kevin73 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7	In November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss of jobs in the United States in 34 years. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs were lost. By the end of 2008, the U.S. had lost a total of 2.6 million jobs. I don't think Obama could reasonably be expected to do a better job that he's been doing with the economy. Do you expect President Obama to flip a magical switch and completely erase all the job losses in 3 years as president, in spite of inheriting what was already the worst recession in US history? You won't hear this from Republicans, though. They have already decided to bash Obama relentlessly. Facts, logic, and reasoning aren't going to stand in their way. For that matter, if they get their news from Faux News, they probably aren't even aware that the economy is improving. jillio, deafskeptic and DeafCaroline like this.

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