Political Move Cave-In - Page 10

jillio · 12-01-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

In SC, Workman's Comp for a workplace injury lasts only three years per incident.

Workman's Comp is time limited in all areas of the country. And, the employer has to be paying into workman's comp for an employee to be eligible for workman's comp payments, including medical bills. Workman's comp is not a "free entitlement."

jillio · 12-01-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Tightened and the standards should be re-evaluated. Why should a deaf person be on permanent SSDI/SSI for the ONLY reason of being deaf!
We need to realize the deaf CAN and SHOULD hold a job. Discrimination should be a thing of the past and we must continue the fight to get the deaf employeed and fairly employed. I would also say this about any hearing person. All Americans deserve the opportunity of a job where they can EARN a living. Those, for whatever reason and I do sympatize, can not perform labor at all are certainly worthy of the programs set up to help them. The standards need to be tightened and re-evaluated.

You are proposing that the standards be tightened up and re-evaluated, but you obviously don't even know what the current standards are.

How can you propose to tighten something that you are unaware of?

SSI is not intended to be permanent, nor has it ever been intended to be permanent assistance. It is time limited, as well, and it's purpose is to provide assistance while an individual trains for and finds employment. You might want to read a bit about the Workforce Investment Act.

**Jiro** · 12-01-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Mathematically speaking, he would have had 12 hours a day 7 days a week off.

I think the bold is probably incorrect as well unless you are talking about commutes.

DPW crews, plow/tow man, medical staffs, emergency crews, airports, Wall Street, stores, and my brother & his team. no such thing as snow day for my brother which is why I had to drive for him.

**Beowulf** · 12-01-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Mathematically speaking, he would have had 12 hours a day 7 days a week off.

I think the bold is probably incorrect as well unless you are talking about commutes.

Let's see you say that during a blizzard.
Isn't commuting part of a worker's life?

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You are truly lacking in understanding regarding how SSI and SSDI work. You cannot draw SSDI unless you have paid into the system, and then your benefit amount is based on the amount you have paid in. SSDI is not a gift. One has to have worked and paid into the system in order to even qualify for SSDI.

20 work credits over a 10 year period. They would have to earn roughly $6,000/yr 5 out of 10 years to qualify. Granted, their benefits would be small until health kicked in. Hardly the same as an employee who worked full time plus overtime for 38 years.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Is it really that easy? I almost want to apply to SSDI/SSI just to see if I can get it.

Yeah, good luck with that one!

jillio · 12-01-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

It's that easy. Even I qualify for one of them

Under what criteria, and which one?

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Let's see you say that during a blizzard.
Isn't commuting part of a worker's life?

Depends on how far away they live I guess.

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

DPW crews, plow/tow man, medical staffs, emergency crews, airports, Wall Street, stores, and my brother & his team. no such thing as snow day for my brother which is why I had to drive for him.

Maybe you missed my second sentence.

**Beowulf** · 12-01-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Depends on how far away they live I guess.

Even those with home-based businesses need to get out of the house to get supplies.
Every worker commutes.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

20 work credits over a 10 year period. They would have to earn roughly $6,000/yr 5 out of 10 years to qualify. Granted, their benefits would be small until health kicked in. Hardly the same as an employee who worked full time plus overtime for 38 years.

Benefits would be negligable, even after the Medicaid/Medicare benefits kicked in. SSDI is not awarded to those that have not worked and paid into the system. Rolling is in error in stating that it is.

Under the amounts that you just specified, and individual would qualify for approximately $150-200 a month. Care to show me how one, escpecially with a disability that requires special care, can live off of that amount?

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Even those with home-based businesses need to get out of the house to get supplies.
Every worker commutes.

And?

**Beowulf** · 12-01-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

And?

You said jillio is incorrect that the majority of American workers deal with rain and snow.

**Cheetah** · 12-01-2011, 03:58 PM

Wirelessly posted (Backberry)

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Originally Posted by jillio

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

I'm confused... are you saying that there are government entitlements that are unfair? If so, which ones?

To whom is your question addressed?

It was to Rolling7.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

No I retired 2 1/2 years ago..... It would be easier for me though because of Meniere's (we get a special mention). Believe it or not they don't consider assets for SSDI. I don't qualify for SSI

If you are drawing SSDI, you have to have proven a permanent disability that prevents holding a job of any kind. Are you really trying to tell us that you "qualify" for SSDI, but do not draw SSDI? How, then, would you know that you qualify? Did you go through all of the application procedure, medical examininations, and review of records just to NOT draw the benefits. If you have not been through the process, on the other hand, you don't know if you qualify or not, as benefit awards are decided on a case by case basis.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

Wirelessly posted (Backberry)

It was to Rolling7.

I thought so. That is why I didn't answer the question.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

That is quite an early retirement!

"Retirement" is often a very loosely applied term.

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Benefits would be negligable, even after the Medicaid/Medicare benefits kicked in. SSDI is not awarded to those that have not worked and paid into the system. Rolling is in error in stating that it is.

Under the amounts that you just specified, and individual would qualify for approximately $150-200 a month. Care to show me how one, escpecially with a disability that requires special care, can live off of that amount?

That same person would have paid roughly $1800 into the system. By your minimum estimation that same person receives $1800 in benefits in the first year. Hardly equal to a man that paid in on full time work for 38 years.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Mathematically speaking, he would have had 12 hours a day 7 days a week off.

I think the bold is probably incorrect as well unless you are talking about commutes.

Mathematically speaking, those hours are illegal. Time off is figured into days off between a series of consecutive work day shifts.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That same person would have paid roughly $1800 into the system. By your minimum estimation that same person receives $1800 in benefits in the first year. Hardly equal to a man that paid in on full time work for 38 years.

Which man are you referring to that has worked full time for 38 years and is drawing SSDI?

And you are, once again, failing to answer direct questions. Par for the course.

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

You said jillio is incorrect that the majority of American workers deal with rain and snow.

Maybe you missed my second sentence as well

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I think the bold is probably incorrect as well unless you are talking about commutes.

**deafskeptic** · 12-01-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Workman's Comp is time limited in all areas of the country. And, the employer has to be paying into workman's comp for an employee to be eligible for workman's comp payments, including medical bills. Workman's comp is not a "free entitlement."

I wasn't eligable for it when I walked off a job many years ago. I don't regret walking off it but I do regret not having a job lined up for me when I did that.

**Beowulf** · 12-01-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Maybe you missed my second sentence as well

Sighhh...
Everyone just evaporates in front of my glowing eyes today.

Okay, gotcha.

**Jiro** · 12-01-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Maybe you missed my second sentence.

majority of Americans have home businesses?

jillio · 12-01-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Maybe you missed my second sentence as well

Then it is not incorrect, nor is it probably incorrect.

You should spend some time answering direct questions posed to you instead of trolling and nit picking.

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

majority of Americans have home businesses?

What?

**TXgolfer** · 12-01-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Then it is not incorrect, nor is it probably incorrect.
.

Hence the "unless"

**Reba** · 12-01-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Workman's Comp is time limited in all areas of the country. And, the employer has to be paying into workman's comp for an employee to be eligible for workman's comp payments, including medical bills. Workman's comp is not a "free entitlement."

I never said it was a free entitlement. I know how it works. I simply posted how long it lasts, that it's not permanent.

rolling7 · 12-01-2011, 09:46 PM

As usual, a certain poster is trying to be a know-it-all. Trying to tell me what I know and what I don't know but coming as close as possible to call me a liar. Fortunately for me, I kept all my old pay stubs, so I can prove all I said about U.S.P.S. More so, anyone can ask those who worked along side me about those 84 hrs weeks. Here is how it works: when I first started it was 10 pm to 10 am schedule with 30 minutes for "lunch", in addition to two paid 10 min. "coffee breaks".

This equal to a 40 hr.work week. The 3 1/2 hours of overtime each day equal 16 1/2 hrs. (we are now at 40 + 16.5 = 56.5) Then there is the two "suppose to be" off days of 11 1/2 hours (equal to 23 hrs.) So now we are at 56.5 + 23 = 79.5 hrs of accountable time. Where does this 84 hrs. come into play, you ask?
Easy, just do this 12 hrs. from clock-in until clock-out X 7 days = 84.

Illegal? What a laugh! Just tell that to all the deaf/hearing co-workers who suffered and lost their families along side me. I'm not saying it was always like this but it took years to cut back on MANDATORY overtime and off-days/holiday work.
Even then, the rules of must be allow to have one off-day a week were suspended during the month of December.

I'm also not saying that postal workers had an exclusive harsh working condition because I do know other jobs are just as demanding of the elements. I'm only making the point that a certain poster is saying I did not earn my retirement and I know all postal workers did earn every penny.

I've explain in my reply to Cheetah just what I think entitlement is and make no excuse for thinking this way. It is base on my experience with the people receiving assistance. I have meet those worthy and those unworthy. I look at it this way: every entitlement program is necessary for those truly deserving of assistance. I agree with Cheetah that both sides of the coin people cheating the programs and the programs short-changing people need an overhaul.

I'm not an expert on SSDI/SSI but having been around many, many deaf and knowing their life stories, I've form an opinion based on what they shared with me.

jillio · 12-01-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I never said it was a free entitlement. I know how it works. I simply posted how long it lasts, that it's not permanent.

No you didn't say it was a "free" entitlement. Others have said that. You probably should refrain from taking everything so personally.

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rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	As usual, a certain poster is trying to be a know-it-all. Trying to tell me what I know and what I don't know but coming as close as possible to call me a liar. Fortunately for me, I kept all my old pay stubs, so I can prove all I said about U.S.P.S. More so, anyone can ask those who worked along side me about those 84 hrs weeks. Here is how it works: when I first started it was 10 pm to 10 am schedule with 30 minutes for "lunch", in addition to two paid 10 min. "coffee breaks". This equal to a 40 hr.work week. The 3 1/2 hours of overtime each day equal 16 1/2 hrs. (we are now at 40 + 16.5 = 56.5) Then there is the two "suppose to be" off days of 11 1/2 hours (equal to 23 hrs.) So now we are at 56.5 + 23 = 79.5 hrs of accountable time. Where does this 84 hrs. come into play, you ask? Easy, just do this 12 hrs. from clock-in until clock-out X 7 days = 84. Illegal? What a laugh! Just tell that to all the deaf/hearing co-workers who suffered and lost their families along side me. I'm not saying it was always like this but it took years to cut back on MANDATORY overtime and off-days/holiday work. Even then, the rules of must be allow to have one off-day a week were suspended during the month of December. I'm also not saying that postal workers had an exclusive harsh working condition because I do know other jobs are just as demanding of the elements. I'm only making the point that a certain poster is saying I did not earn my retirement and I know all postal workers did earn every penny. I've explain in my reply to Cheetah just what I think entitlement is and make no excuse for thinking this way. It is base on my experience with the people receiving assistance. I have meet those worthy and those unworthy. I look at it this way: every entitlement program is necessary for those truly deserving of assistance. I agree with Cheetah that both sides of the coin people cheating the programs and the programs short-changing people need an overhaul. I'm not an expert on SSDI/SSI but having been around many, many deaf and knowing their life stories, I've form an opinion based on what they shared with me.