Declaration of Occupy Wall Street - Page 56

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

You are so very wrong. The credits from an Associate's degree do not transfer credit for credit to a university. The average student transferrring from a junior college looses 12 credits.

Proof?

Yeah Basket weaving and courses with D's might not transfer. But there are plenty of places to find help.

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Transferring from a Community College to a Four-Year College
Plan Ahead for Success
Community college is often the starting point of a college education. Many students begin at a two-year college and then transfer to a four-year college. If you want to take this route, it helps to gather information so that you can make wise decisions about the community college courses you take.

Successful transfer depends on many factors, such as the college where you hope to earn your bachelor’s degree and the major you choose. Check with both the community college and the four-year colleges you hope to attend to hear about the process from both points of view.

Understand the Process
Most community colleges offer two-year transfer programs that prepare students to enter a bachelor’s-degree program at a four-year college. Transfer programs include two or three types of courses: general education courses, similar to those typically taken during the first two years of a bachelor’s-degree program; electives; and, in some cases, courses that provide preparation for a specific major.

Ask About Transfer Agreements
Many community colleges have special transfer relationships, called articulation agreements, with specific four-year colleges. These agreements show how the courses you complete at the community college apply toward graduation requirements at the four-year college. The agreements may apply to individual courses or complete degrees. They help take the guesswork out of course selection. Some colleges post articulation agreements on their websites.

Confirm That Credits Will Transfer
Before registering for courses, you need to make sure the credits you earn will be recognized by the four-year college you plan to attend. Otherwise, you may need to repeat the course once you start attending the four-year college. This is especially important when taking courses in an intended major.

You should also find out which grade you need to earn in specific classes and the overall GPA you’ll need to transfer successfully. Your community college adviser can help you track down this information.

The community college course catalog might show how each course transfers to specific four-year colleges. Make sure you confirm this information with the two-year college, since it can change.

There are usually details about transferring to a four-year college on its website or in its catalog. Read the available information carefully, then contact that college’s admission office. Ask for a transfer adviser, who can help you through the process.

Community Colleges - transfer student - four year college search

and for those that plan poorly they can use info like this

Community Colleges - transfer student - four year college search

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 07:19 PM

[quote=jillio;1957141]

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

You are so very wrong. The credits from an Associate's degree do not transfer credit for credit to a university. The average student transferrring from a junior college looses 12 credits.

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Are additional general education courses needed even if I transfer to VCU with an associate degree?

VCU has an agreement with all Virginia community colleges and Richard Bland College that students transferring to VCU who hold A.A., A.S. or A.A.&S. degrees will have junior standing and will be considered to have met all lower-division general education requirements upon acceptance to VCU. However, a few general education requirements apply even to associate degree holders, and these are outlined in the VCU Transfer Guide.

http://www.ugrad.vcu.edu/faqs/transfers.html

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

No, they are not demanding that their debts just be eradicated and wiped out. To even think such would be absurd. It is a gross misrepresentation of the premise behind the protest.

No one is? Not one of them?

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You are the one that brought it up. Is it important?

You said that I have an Associate's and I said no I don't and that I have 2 degrees. and you continue to keep harping on it for more details because you don't believe me

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Originally Posted by jillio

So, you are giving me permission to copy and post what is there?

no you don't have my permission because it's not important and I've already mentioned about it in AD several times.

Since you know I graduated from Rutgers University... then you should know they do not offer Associate Degree. I don't think state college offers Associate's either.

Cannot believe your incessant demand... wow!

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 07:25 PM

NJ students can easily check NJ TRANSFER: Linking New Jersey's Colleges and Universities to decide on which courses to take if they want to transfer to 4-years college later on.

Everybody is aware of this. Those who are not... what a moron and they have no place in college. I'm sorry but good luck.

**shel90** · 11-04-2011, 07:31 PM

I was a lowly community college student but those 2 years were totally free cuz of my fast-pitching softball scholarship. *whew!* lol

It was my university years that costed me an arm and leg!

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I was a lowly community college student but those 2 years were totally free cuz of my fast-pitching softball scholarship. *whew!* lol

It was my university years that costed me an arm and leg!

hey! that's a free handout!

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 07:40 PM

Good Grief! I am surrounded by commoners!!

Shouldn't you people be in flyover country eating McRibs

*sarcasm* for those who miss it

jillio · 11-04-2011, 07:56 PM

Evidently, there are a few posters who are confused about the transfer process when it comes to credits. Not all 4 year universities accept credit for credit on anything taken at a 2 year university, or even another 4 year university. It is an equivilancy process. Just because you had what a 2 year or another 4 year university calls English 101 doesn't mean that you automatically get credit for the course called English 101 at the school you are transferring into. Likewise, if you transfer quarter hours into a semester hours school,or vice versa you are going to run into some issues in transferring your credits.

But hey, don't take my word for it. I only spent several years figuring credits for students.

jillio · 11-04-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

You said that I have an Associate's and I said no I don't and that I have 2 degrees. and you continue to keep harping on it for more details because you don't believe me

no you don't have my permission because it's not important and I've already mentioned about it in AD several times.

Since you know I graduated from Rutgers University... then you should know they do not offer Associate Degree. I don't think state college offers Associate's either.

Cannot believe your incessant demand... wow!

Yeah, that's what I thought.

jillio · 11-04-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

VCU Office of Undergraduate Admissions – Transfer students

Just because Virginia accepts a degree conferment transfer does not mean that transfer credits apply credit for credit to another degree.

Junior standing is a reference to hours completed, not necessarily courses taken. If you will read the sentence behind the ones you bolded, you will have a clue as to what I am talking about.

Additionally, you are talking about people who have completed a 2 year degree. Not all students transferring to another school have completed a degree. In those cases, transfer credits are figured on an equivilancy basis.

What you are referring to is not a transfer. It is completion of one degree at one school, and then going to another school to complete an additional degree.

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Evidently, there are a few posters who are confused about the transfer process when it comes to credits. Not all 4 year universities accept credit for credit on anything taken at a 2 year university, or even another 4 year university. It is an equivilancy process. Just because you had what a 2 year or another 4 year university calls English 101 doesn't mean that you automatically get credit for the course called English 101 at the school you are transferring into. Likewise, if you transfer quarter hours into a semester hours school,or vice versa you are going to run into some issues in transferring your credits.

But hey, don't take my word for it. I only spent several years figuring credits for students.

oh? are you an admissions officer or similar?

I've never heard of university not accepting English 101 credit from other school... unless that school is non-accredited or the student failed to reach minimum grade which is, in most case, C or above.

if it's some English course such as Introduction to Drama Writing or whatever it's called... it's 50-50 that it may or may not be transferred. and I think most students are aware of this. In community colleges, most students take introductory courses that are transferable.

but really.... this such detail is trivial especially in this thread. this thread is about OWS and some of protesters are students being victim of massive college debts.

DeafCaroline · 11-04-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

oh? are you an admissions officer or similar?

I've never heard of university not accepting English 101 credit from other school... unless that school is non-accredited or the student failed to reach minimum grade which is, in most case, C or above.

I think jillio is saying credit for English 101 at one school doesn't mean it's automatically accepted as equivalent of English 101 at another school. Some schools may accept them, some don't. Depends on which you're transferring to.

Quote from "Transferring from Community College to 4 Year College" :

"If you have a specific four-year college in mind, make sure that the credits you earn at your community college are transferable to that college."

**Cheetah** · 11-04-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

oh? are you an admissions officer or similar?

I've never heard of university not accepting English 101 credit from other school... unless that school is non-accredited or the student failed to reach minimum grade which is, in most case, C or above.

if it's some English course such as Introduction to Drama Writing or whatever it's called... it's 50-50 that it may or may not be transferred. and I think most students are aware of this. In community colleges, most students take introductory courses that are transferable.

but really.... this such detail is trivial in this thread. this thread is about OWS and some of protesters are students being victim of massive college debts.

Actually, my community college credits did not transfer 1:1. For many classes they transferred 1 1/2 credits for every 3 credits. I had to repeat a few basic classes because of that. It was based on whatever the college felt was equivalent.

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

I think jillio is saying credit for English 101 at one school doesn't mean it's automatically accepted as equivalent of English 101 at another school. Some schools may accept them, some don't. Depends on which you're transferring to.

Quote from "Transferring from Community College to 4 Year College" :

"If you have a specific four-year college in mind, make sure that the credits you earn at your community college are transferable to that college."

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

Actually, my community college credits did not transfer 1:1. For many classes they transferred 1 1/2 credits for every 3 credits. I had to repeat a few basic classes because of that. It was based on whatever the college felt was equivalent.

very simple. see my Post #1655 and Post #1615.

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Purdue does not accept ANY transfer credit in introductory English. You must take the English 106 course at Purdue, which is a unique program among universities. It is also considered the best. That's just one example why a college might not accept transfer credit from a CC or other university. There are many more.

Mine does. It still doesn't mean we're wrong and neither are you. We both are right. There are thousands of colleges. Simple - check before you sign up.

If not - sorry and tough luck. and if Purdue does not accept transfer credit, then they wouldn't go to community college in the first place, wouldn't they?

**TWA** · 11-04-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Mine does. It still doesn't mean we're wrong and neither are you. We both are right. There are thousands of colleges. Simple - check before you sign up.

If not - sorry and tough luck. and if Purdue does not accept transfer credit, then they wouldn't go to community college in the first place, wouldn't they?

You said you'd never heard of any university that doesn't accept English 101 transfer credit.

I gave you an example (one of many) where that is in fact the case.

So, now you cannot make that claim anymore. If you agree to that, then I will agree that we are both right.

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

You said you'd never heard of any university that doesn't accept English 101 transfer credit.

I gave you an example (one of many) where that is in fact the case.

So, now you cannot make that claim anymore. If you agree to that, then I will agree that we are both right.

Fair enough but let me ask you this.

You stated that your university has a unique program. If I applied to Purdue University for say... math degree, would they accept my English 101 course? or are you saying Purdue does not accept accept any introductory English course for ALL degree programs?

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Evidently, there are a few posters who are confused about the transfer process when it comes to credits. Not all 4 year universities accept credit for credit on anything taken at a 2 year university, or even another 4 year university. It is an equivilancy process. Just because you had what a 2 year or another 4 year university calls English 101 doesn't mean that you automatically get credit for the course called English 101 at the school you are transferring into. Likewise, if you transfer quarter hours into a semester hours school,or vice versa you are going to run into some issues in transferring your credits.

But hey, don't take my word for it. I only spent several years figuring credits for students.

Sounds like poor planning. IMO

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Just because Virginia accepts a degree conferment transfer does not mean that transfer credits apply credit for credit to another degree.

Junior standing is a reference to hours completed, not necessarily courses taken. If you will read the sentence behind the ones you bolded, you will have a clue as to what I am talking about.

Additionally, you are talking about people who have completed a 2 year degree. Not all students transferring to another school have completed a degree. In those cases, transfer credits are figured on an equivilancy basis.

What you are referring to is not a transfer. It is completion of one degree at one school, and then going to another school to complete an additional degree.

Exactly which is why I replied twice to the same post. It's pretty easy to transfer credits though.... Especially if you plan from the beginning.

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

I think jillio is saying credit for English 101 at one school doesn't mean it's automatically accepted as equivalent of English 101 at another school. Some schools may accept them, some don't. Depends on which you're transferring to.

Quote from "Transferring from Community College to 4 Year College" :

"If you have a specific four-year college in mind, make sure that the credits you earn at your community college are transferable to that college."

Yeppers, and the staff is usually very helpful with that. And as Jiro and I pointed out there are websites for checking as well

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Purdue does not accept ANY transfer credit in introductory English. You must take the English 106 course at Purdue, which is a unique program among universities. It is also considered the best. That's just one example why a college might not accept transfer credit from a CC or other university. There are many more.

They won't accept it as an elective credit even?

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Yes, it is unique in the design of the program, not necessarily the rules for transferring credit. Many universities will make you take their intro writing course. The reason is because writing is such an essential skill to have for almost every academic discipline, so a university wants you to be tuned in their approach to academic writing.

As for your question: I'm not quite sure, since you already have a BS (correct?). You wouldn't exactly be a transfer student at this point, so you might be able to apply directly to the degree program and not worry about GE. BUT, and I could be mistaken here, Purdue does not allow you to use credits if they have already been applied in obtaining a degree. This is the case in graduate programs. I do not know if it matters for obtaining a second (or third) BA/BS. Only an academic adviser could say for sure.

I do have a friend, however, who already had a BA in English from Texas State, and he decided to go back to school at Purdue for a BS in Computer Science. He must do the ENTIRE undergraduate program. That's four whole more years of schooling for him.

BS in Computer Science at Purdue? I wouldn't go there for CS but hey - that's his choice and decision to do another 4 years there.

I'm assuming that he knows what he's getting into including all expenses involved.... and by doing that, he doesn't really get to complain about "$90,000 college debt. no job.", don't you agree?

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I don't know. I doubt it. All I know for sure is that I regularly had sophmores, juniors, and even seniors who had transferred from other universities and had taken freshman composition at those universities, but they were in my class because "their adviser forced them."

According to this it must transfer if from another Indiana school

https://selfservice.mypurdue.purdue.....p_select_info

I tried transferring Eng 101 from ISU-TH and it transferred as Eng 10100 at Purdue. There was even a cross indicating it was part of the transfer Indiana initiative. An articulation agreement like I noted earlier. Possible that they accept the credit but still require the course you mentioned.

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 09:43 PM

Indiana also has this....

TransferIN.net

Which is the kind of stuff Jiro and I mentioned in other states. It should be easy to plan for transferring really.

If I were a freshman planning to transfer to Purdue I would probably just skip comp and take it there. Problem solved.

**TWA** · 11-04-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

BS in Computer Science at Purdue? I wouldn't go there for CS but hey - that's his choice and decision to do another 4 years there.

I'm assuming that he knows what he's getting into including all expenses involved.... and by doing that, he doesn't really get to complain about "$90,000 college debt. no job.", don't you agree?

Eh? Purdue is one of the top schools for CS. Google-based Ranking of Computer Science and Engineering Departments

They also have the Steele supercomputer: Steele (supercomputer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which was pretty damn fast when they built it two years ago.

Anyway, I'm sure my friend is going to be bitching about his debt, but I don't think he'll be asking for any handouts. Also, he works and so does his wife.

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Eh? Purdue is one of the top schools for CS. Google-based Ranking of Computer Science and Engineering Departments

They also have the Steele supercomputer: Steele (supercomputer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which was pretty damn fast when they built it two years ago.

Anyway, I'm sure my friend is going to be bitching about his debt, but I don't think he'll be asking for any handouts. Also, he works and so does his wife.

This ranking list doesn't mean anything to me because if I graduated from Purdue, I still won't be one of the top programmers anyway and I most likely won't ever use Steele supercomputer. Virginia Tech built supercomputer too and I've never used it when I was an engineering/CS student there. That's why bunch of graduates aren't being hired. They have nothing special to contribute to me (general me as in corporations). I can simply hire somebody cheaper in India for exactly same thing. Sorry but it's business and it's all about $$$. Free country. I'm allowed to hire whoever.

I pick school with only 2 criteria in mind for cost-analysis benefit - what is its speciality and how much. MIT's CS program and Purdue's CS program have different type of speciality and of course... different price.

For example - last year, I wanted to pursue an advanced degree in GIS. Top three contenders on my list are Penn State, UCLA, and Rutgers. Rutgers is geared toward to oceanography/hydrology/remote sensing while UCLA is geared toward to geography/remote sensing while Penn State is geared toward to urban planning but broad. I haven't decided yet but leaning toward to Penn State.

If your friend feels it was worth the price, sacrifice, and hardship... cool beano.

DeafCaroline · 11-04-2011, 10:29 PM

Just for the hell of it, looked up review of CS program at Purdue: Words on a Blog: Apparently computer science at Purdue sucks

**TXgolfer** · 11-04-2011, 11:45 PM

I don't see how this helps their argument...

Liberal Protester Uses Child As Human Shield - YouTube

**Jiro** · 11-04-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I don't see how this helps their argument...

Liberal Protester Uses Child As Human Shield - YouTube

oh great... not another "oh-my-god-the-cop-ran-over-my-foot!!!" thing...

that mother should be arrested for child endangerment.

11-04-2011, 07:25 PM	#1655 (permalink)
Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 61,218	NJ students can easily check NJ TRANSFER: Linking New Jersey's Colleges and Universities to decide on which courses to take if they want to transfer to 4-years college later on. Everybody is aware of this. Those who are not... what a moron and they have no place in college. I'm sorry but good luck. __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

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shel90 Audist are not welcome Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,491 Blog Entries: 3	I was a lowly community college student but those 2 years were totally free cuz of my fast-pitching softball scholarship. whew! lol It was my university years that costed me an arm and leg! jillio and deafskeptic like this. __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

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TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 18,061	Good Grief! I am surrounded by commoners!! Shouldn't you people be in flyover country eating McRibs sarcasm for those who miss it __________________ Ps 109:8 let his days be few,and let another take his office -KJV-

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TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 18,061	Indiana also has this.... TransferIN.net Which is the kind of stuff Jiro and I mentioned in other states. It should be easy to plan for transferring really. If I were a freshman planning to transfer to Purdue I would probably just skip comp and take it there. Problem solved. __________________ Ps 109:8 let his days be few,and let another take his office -KJV-

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11-04-2011, 07:56 PM	#1659 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Evidently, there are a few posters who are confused about the transfer process when it comes to credits. Not all 4 year universities accept credit for credit on anything taken at a 2 year university, or even another 4 year university. It is an equivilancy process. Just because you had what a 2 year or another 4 year university calls English 101 doesn't mean that you automatically get credit for the course called English 101 at the school you are transferring into. Likewise, if you transfer quarter hours into a semester hours school,or vice versa you are going to run into some issues in transferring your credits. But hey, don't take my word for it. I only spent several years figuring credits for students.

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DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	Just for the hell of it, looked up review of CS program at Purdue: Words on a Blog: Apparently computer science at Purdue sucks