Declaration of Occupy Wall Street - Page 21

**Jiro** · 10-20-2011, 05:30 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/ny...1&ref=nyregion

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A New York police commander who pepper-sprayed protesters during the opening days of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations last month faces an internal disciplinary charge that could cost him 10 vacation days, the police said Tuesday.

The commander, Deputy Inspector Anthony Bologna, has been given a so-called command discipline, according to a law enforcement official. Officials said investigators found that the inspector ran afoul of Police Department rules for the use of the spray. The department’s patrol guide, its policy manual, says pepper spray should be used primarily to control a suspect who is resisting arrest, or for protection; it does allow for its use in “disorder control,” but only by officers with special training.

The Internal Affairs Bureau reviewed the episode and found that Inspector Bologna “used pepper spray outside departmental guidelines,” said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. He declined to elaborate.

The inspector can accept the charge and plead guilty, or he can opt for a departmental trial. Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly is the ultimate arbiter of punishment in such matters and has wide leeway in his decisions.

Inspector Bologna’s actions on Sept. 24, when he sprayed several penned-in women, were captured on video and spread widely on the Internet. It became a defining moment in the protests.

Four days later, Mr. Kelly said the Internal Affairs Bureau would look into the inspector’s actions. At the same time, the Manhattan district attorney’s office opened an investigation. On Monday, one woman who was pepper-sprayed, accompanied by her lawyer, met with prosecutors and urged them to bring criminal charges against the inspector.

Mr. Browne could not immediately say where the commander is now assigned. But Deputy Inspector Roy T. Richter, the head of the Captains Endowment Association, said he was still assigned to the same command.

“Deputy Inspector Bologna is disappointed at the results of the department investigation,” Inspector Richter said. “His actions prevented further injury and escalation of tumultuous conduct. To date, this conduct has not been portrayed in its true context.”

On Tuesday afternoon, a few hundred people marched to the offices of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., calling for him to drop criminal charges against people arrested during the protests.

After leaving the district attorney’s office, about 200 people marched to Skylight Studios on Hudson Street, where Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo received an award from the Huffington Post. The protestors said they wanted the governor to support retention of the so-called millionaire tax.

The feminist author Naomi Wolf, who was among the group, was handcuffed and received a summons for blocking pedestrian traffic, the police said.

**Daredevel7** · 10-20-2011, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

His fellow workers? They would treat him with respect. His pre-med friends will be the twerps looking down their noses at him.

Don't like pre-meds much, huh?

Just because you do honest, labor work doesn't make you a saint or respectful towards others.

Just the other day, a painter (friend of my gf) came by for a visit and called me "moneybags" just because I owned a house (a SMALL one!). Met him for the first time that day. Not very respectful, if you ask me.

However, if you wanna take a statistical survey on their character based on how laborious their work is, you will probably end up being right. Hard working blue collar people are likely to be nicer and more respectful to others. But that doesn't mean those cotton picking coworkers won't rib on him.

I mean come on!!! That's just begging for it.

**Reba** · 10-20-2011, 08:11 AM

Why is college so much more expensive now than 20-30 years ago?

**TWA** · 10-20-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Why is college so much more expensive now than 20-30 years ago?

Because of a systematic process by congress and state legislators (almost entirely republicans) to destroy the public education system and run it like a business. It was never intended to be profitable.

**Reba** · 10-20-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Because of a systematic process by congress and state legislators (almost entirely republicans) to destroy the public education system and run it like a business. It was never intended to be profitable.

Could you explain that process in more detail, please?

When you say public education systems, do you mean colleges only, or are you including elementary and secondary schools?

What do you mean "run it like a business?"

I'm afraid I'm not following your post.

**Beowulf** · 10-20-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Don't like pre-meds much, huh?

Just because you do honest, labor work doesn't make you a saint or respectful towards others.

Just the other day, a painter (friend of my gf) came by for a visit and called me "moneybags" just because I owned a house (a SMALL one!). Met him for the first time that day. Not very respectful, if you ask me.

However, if you wanna take a statistical survey on their character based on how laborious their work is, you will probably end up being right. Hard working blue collar people are likely to be nicer and more respectful to others. But that doesn't mean those cotton picking coworkers won't rib on him.

I mean come on!!! That's just begging for it.

Don't like hard working blue collar people much, huh?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

There are quite a few doctors in my family, but they tend to often work for a loss pretty frequently and do a lot of volunteer work. It is a calling to them, not a means to get rich. They are the nicest, most humble people you would ever meet. Seriously.

**Cheetah** · 10-20-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Don't like hard working blue collar people much, huh?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

There are quite a few doctors in my family, but they tend to often work for a loss pretty frequently and do a lot of volunteer work. It is a calling to them, not a means to get rich. They are the nicest, most humble people you would ever meet. Seriously.

My sister is a doctor, she is pretty much the same way. She has her own practice and sometimes barters when a patient cannot afford to pay her. She also works in urgent care (a place where folks without insurance can go for non life threatening but urgent medical needs).

Steinhauer · 10-20-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Could you explain that process in more detail, please?

When you say public education systems, do you mean colleges only, or are you including elementary and secondary schools?

What do you mean "run it like a business?"

I'm afraid I'm not following your post.

He was deflecting and pinning blame on republicans.

I could make another illegal immigrant comment and mention how illegals and their children contributed to the cost of education going up - but I won't, it might upset some people who would rather grant amnesty.

**Jiro** · 10-20-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

He was deflecting and pinning blame on republicans.

I could make another illegal immigrant comment and mention how illegals and their children contributed to the cost of education going up - but I won't, it might upset some people who would rather grant amnesty.

so you are deflecting too and pinning blame on Democrats?

Steinhauer · 10-20-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so you are deflecting too and pinning blame on Democrats?

So you are deflecting to and shifting the blame off of illegals?

**Beowulf** · 10-20-2011, 12:52 PM

There is something missing. Oh yeah, the ring of truth. Eh bien.

**Jiro** · 10-20-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

So you are deflecting to and shifting the blame off of illegals?

um... you did, not me. You're blaming Democrats for amnesty thing even though it never existed and never happened. Republicans twisted it and called it "amnesty".

**Banjo** · 10-20-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

um... you did, not me. You're blaming Democrats for amnesty thing even though it never existed and never happened. Republicans twisted it and called it "amnesty".

Didn't President Bush push for that one?

**Reba** · 10-20-2011, 01:16 PM

No update yet on this guy:

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**saywhatkid** · 10-20-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

So you are deflecting to and shifting the blame off of illegals?

Isn't there about 50 threads related to illegals around here? Have you not weighed in on those? Feel free to create a new one, since mine was locked.

***naisho*** · 10-20-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

So you are deflecting to and shifting the blame off of illegals?

Stein, have you ever considered working border patrol? Dream job for some, keeps the illegals out!

**Jiro** · 10-20-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Didn't President Bush push for that one?

yep.

**Jiro** · 10-20-2011, 01:54 PM

I guess illegal immigration is the cause of rising tuition costs for even private/Catholic colleges and many colleges (community/state/private) in states where there are hardly any illegal immigrants.

**TXgolfer** · 10-20-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Why is college so much more expensive now than 20-30 years ago?

Schools are hoarding cash. UT and Harvard have over a billion in cash. UT even switched a large part of it to gold.

**Jiro** · 10-20-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Schools are hoarding cash. UT and Harvard have over a billion in cash. UT even switched a large part of it to gold.

is there anything wrong with them reaping in what they sow from their successes and for offering its extensive resource?

**deafskeptic** · 10-20-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

If you're having a hard time making sense of Golfer's attitude, read this. It's spot-on:

Occupy Wall Street: Why Baby Boomers Don't Understand the Protests - The Daily Beast

And their parents fought hard to gain the advantages back in the 1930s and the 1940s so they could provide their baby boomer kids with the advantages that they didn't have when they came of age. I see history repeating itself all over again.

**Reba** · 10-20-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

And their parents fought hard to gain the advantages back in the 1930s and the 1940s so they could provide their baby boomer kids with the advantages that they didn't have when they came of age. I see history repeating itself all over again.

My brother, Hubby, and I are Baby Boomers and our parents didn't offer or provide even one cent for us to go to college.

**Reba** · 10-20-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Schools are hoarding cash. UT and Harvard have over a billion in cash. UT even switched a large part of it to gold.

All schools?

**Reba** · 10-20-2011, 04:11 PM

Occupy Charleston:

Local Occupy protesters marching, rallying | The Post and Courier, Charleston SC - News, Sports, Entertainment

**TWA** · 10-20-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Schools are hoarding cash. UT and Harvard have over a billion in cash. UT even switched a large part of it to gold.

LOL. Yeah, that's it . . .

Harvard does have the largest (by far) endowment of any university in the country (probably the world). It also has a relatively small student population. The result? Harvard provides FULL financial aid to EVERY student admitted if they need it.

The rising cost of tuition has much more to do with fundamental shifts in ideology surrounding education in this country. First of all, colleges are being run more and more as businesses, where financial efficiency is the #1 priority. A large reason for this is that college degrees are now just a stamp of approval for someone who wants to enter the non-manual/service workforce. It's a commodity. The original purpose of the academy is eroding, which brings me to my next point.

The idea of the "academy" and universities being centers for knowledge and intellectualism has been forgotten/ignored. Why? because knowledge and intellectualism aren't valued anymore in this country. The right has launched an all-out assault on intellectualism (after all, college professors are predominantly liberal), which it sees as the perpetrators of socialism, atheism, anti-Americanism, and ever other -ism that gets them frothing at the mouth. Furthermore, young educated intellectuals (a great many of which make up the OWS movement) are viewed by conservatives as just a bunch of entitled, over-educated losers who don't know a thing about the "real world."

Mix all this together, and it becomes very easy to justify reduced funding, criticism of educators, and a view that education is not a universal human right, but a privilege that you must work hard at (often unrealistically) to earn.

Steinhauer · 10-20-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

um... you did, not me. You're blaming Democrats for amnesty thing even though it never existed and never happened. Republicans twisted it and called it "amnesty".

So your deflecting from the definition of amnesty and pinning the blame on Republicans too?

**TXgolfer** · 10-20-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

is there anything wrong with them reaping in what they sow from their successes and for offering its extensive resource?

**TXgolfer** · 10-20-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

LOL. Yeah, that's it . . .

Harvard does have the largest (by far) endowment of any university in the country (probably the world). It also has a relatively small student population. The result? Harvard provides FULL financial aid to EVERY student admitted if they need it.

The rising cost of tuition has much more to do with fundamental shifts in ideology surrounding education in this country. First of all, colleges are being run more and more as businesses, where financial efficiency is the #1 priority. A large reason for this is that college degrees are now just a stamp of approval for someone who wants to enter the non-manual/service workforce. It's a commodity. The original purpose of the academy is eroding, which brings me to my next point.

The idea of the "academy" and universities being centers for knowledge and intellectualism has been forgotten/ignored. Why? because knowledge and intellectualism aren't valued anymore in this country. The right has launched an all-out assault on intellectualism (after all, college professors are predominantly liberal), which it sees as the perpetrators of socialism, atheism, anti-Americanism, and ever other -ism that gets them frothing at the mouth. Furthermore, young educated intellectuals (a great many of which make up the OWS movement) are viewed by conservatives as just a bunch of entitled, over-educated losers who don't know a thing about the "real world."

Mix all this together, and it becomes very easy to justify reduced funding, criticism of educators, and a view that education is not a universal human right, but a privilege that you must work hard at (often unrealistically) to earn.

This made my day.

**TWA** · 10-20-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

This made my day.

You make my day everyday.

**TXgolfer** · 10-20-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

You make my day everyday.

Shouldn't you be cleaning your pipe or something?

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